Göretzka is an attacking midfielder too..
I think Pogba/Bruno have better defensive work rate than Göretzka/Muller. We should be able to field our fifa midfield in 90% of games.
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I think Pogba/Bruno have better defensive work rate than Göretzka/Muller. We should be able to field our fifa midfield in 90% of games.
Not really. Carrick was usually partnered with Scholes/Anderson and later Giggs who were not known for their defensive ability. Fletcher and Carrick also played together but mostly in big games, and it was usually a very conservative midfield. Busquets also plays that role and has played that role of a DM for his whole career, along with players like Xavi, Iniesta, Rakitic, Fabregas, Arthur etc none of whom are known for their defensive ability.
Same man, even I did in 2013. De Gea lead us on as well
It isn't, it's normal.
Against week opposition, we can play :
Pogba - Thiago - Bruno.
Against Strong Teams we can play :
Pogba - Thiago - Matic.
Even thinking about it makes me giddy.
This transfer will remain a dream for me in all probability.
Pogba - Thiago - Bruno.
Against Strong Teams we can play :
Pogba - Thiago - Matic.
Even thinking about it makes me giddy.
This transfer will remain a dream for me in all probability.
Not really. Carrick was usually partnered with Scholes/Anderson and later Giggs who were not known for their defensive ability. Fletcher and Carrick also played together but mostly in big games, and it was usually a very conservative midfield. Busquets also plays that role and has played that role of a DM for his whole career, along with players like Xavi, Iniesta, Rakitic, Fabregas, Arthur etc none of whom are known for their defensive ability.
Same man, even I did in 2013. De Gea lead us on as well
Dave definitely had chats with him & Sergio on that international duty
Yeah certainly feels like the scousers are just toying with us and will sign him late in the window
Quite surprised how everyone is putting Pogba as an automatic starter. Out of Bruno, VDB and Pogba, Pogba is probably the less consistent one and the most likely to make a mistake. He is a frustrating player to watch as you never what side of him you will be getting.
You sure saw a lot of VdB's games to come to such a bold prediction.
I’ve seen enough of Pogba
In the standard 4231 he usually played as the more advanced role of the midfield two.
I just wanted to highlight, that the last three CL matches don't represent how and where he played most of the time for Bayern. At his current level, he could imo play in any system/team as #8/central midfielder and could adapt to what the team needs. I am far less certain, that the same is true for him playing as DM. We'll have to wait and see.
Carrick firstly played with Hargreaves and we won the CL. Then he had Fletcher, and for a while Anderson (who worked very hard next to him). When we played him with Giggs our midfield was very weak against teams who attacked us.Not really. Carrick was usually partnered with Scholes/Anderson and later Giggs who were not known for their defensive ability. Fletcher and Carrick also played together but mostly in big games, and it was usually a very conservative midfield. Busquets also plays that role and has played that role of a DM for his whole career, along with players like Xavi, Iniesta, Rakitic, Fabregas, Arthur etc none of whom are known for their defensive ability.
Same man, even I did in 2013. De Gea lead us on as well
Busquets was the main DM, and his teammates were not defensive but they worked hard. Later after Pep Barce faded, and have been weak in midfield defensively. They have never been close to good enough since his teammates stopped working hard. Pretty light generally in midfield.
Of course Alonso had a DM next to him at Liverpool and Gerrard was a hard worker.
Carrick had Hargreaves and Fletcher at different times. But yes, hard work is what I am focusing on. Anderson worked hard for example. We don't have that here, he would be exposed.
Fred and McT...
Of course, but I mean if we play pogba bruno with him.
I 100% agree with one of those 2 we balance much better.
Btw I get 5 posts a day because I'm a "noob" or w/e they call it. I'm running out for today.
Anderson might have covered a lot of ground, but he was not at all good defensively. Whenever we played Fletcher and Carrick together we struggled for creativity. Hargreaves in the 08/09 season played for us as a right midfielder, with Scholes and Carrick in the middle.
Carrick always had the ability to play as a sole defensive mid, and played that role for us for MANY years. Its undisputable.
I know that this might just negotiation tactics by both Bayern and Liverpool, but he would add a lot of qualities to United's midfield. Just few years ago, United had almost nonexistent (quality) midfield. The idea of adding Thiago is just one of those too good to be true idea, but I won't oppose it if it is true.
That is a fair point, that someone like Thiago needs a more mobile partner. Yet we have Matic who covers for Pogba and Bruno, and look at him. Thiago is plenty agile, and I think he can easily play the Matic role in our midfield. Against tougher oppositions, McTominay can come in for one of Pogba/Bruno.
I would not have thought of Thiago as a particularly good fit for the Matic role, great player though he is.
Different sort of player in that position
Why not? He’d be an excellent fit for it.
We’ve briefed the MEN that we’re not interested.
McTominay isn’t very good though. If you want to beat tough oppositions, you need your best players playing.
Wouldn't trust that source
If its a briefing its everywhere, we're not going to the manchester evening news to give them a little scoop.
Just doesn't strike me as a player that tracks runners, takes up defensive positions, and covers a lot of ground. He, Pogba and Fernandes are all potential runners of the game. I mean it might work but not sure about it.
Because Thiago has Goretzka to play by his side( who has been brilliant defensively).
Unless we change it to diamond , I dont see the point- shame !
The Express are saying we are not interested now also.
Yeah after the Sancho news time to make a statement and snatch him from under the scousers noses.
We can now meet those wage demands too seeing as we aren't getting another high earner this summer now.
Never were.
We have lost or drawn plenty of games because of our lack of midfield control/the opponents running through us.
That might be true but the Express lie about literally everything, including the weather.
Yeah well known absolute garbage when it comes to transfers
Would Thiago improve us in the short term at least more than Sancho? Bearing in mind we do have Mason.
I'd be more excited by him over Sancho as he's the type of player I prefer.
I'd be more excited by him over Sancho as he's the type of player I prefer.
Know odds mean nothing but scousers now favourites again
Carrick played alongside Scholes when we won the CL. This is our team in the last league game, which is about as close as you got to our first choice lineup. The season before that Carrick started alongside Scholes in something like 34 of the 38 PL games. Playing with two playmaking CMs was one of the most visible parts of our team then having gone from playing the likes of Smith, O'Shea, Miller and co. in there just before, and it led to some of our best ever football.
Yes but I meant it could be a briefing as more than one outlet reported it.
If it’s coming from one questionable source then it isn’t a brief.
Having Thiago in midfield will help us control the tempo of the game. Our big struggles are often
- Keeping the ball after we take a lead
- Keeping the ball when we are pressed high
- Control the game when we are behind
Thiago will help will all of that. That is his specialty. He sets the tempo of the game.
Wish Liverpool would just get on with it and sign him
If it comes from James Cooper or Simon Stone it'll be a brief I think. Simon Stone especially doesn't really deal in anything but absolute fact (which is why some people get frustrated with him during the transfer window, even though its not his job to comment on transfer rumours) and stuff directly from the club.
Yeah Ducker, Robson & Peach too
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