The Worst Champions

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Who are the worst champions in your opinion in terms of performances and points relative to opposition (I.e. Having a low points total against weak opposition). In addition to other factors like goals and luck.

I know people will put Manchester City but in terms of the factors mentioned they wouldn't be the worst, they just achieved it by cheating off the field.

Who would you put as the worst to win?

The world cup
The Euros
Copa América

The Champions League
Europa League
The FA Cup
League Cup

The Premier League
La Liga
Serie A

And any others
 
Liverpool. Wheels were well and truly off right before the lockdown.
 
World Cup possibly Italy 2006?
Euros has got to be Greece 2004 really.
Champions League probably Liverpool 2005 or possibly Mourinho's Porto.
Prem Leicester?
FA Cup maybe Wigan?
 
The last time we won the PL we were not good, 0 opposition.
 
World Cup possibly Italy 2006?
Euros has got to be Greece 2004 really.
Champions League probably Liverpool 2005 or possibly Mourinho's Porto.
Prem Leicester?
FA Cup maybe Wigan?
Greece deserved that Euros.

I'm gonna say Real Madrid when they beat the dippers in the UCL final. They were awful.
Still, thank feck.

Also, Manchester 115 because they are the worst.
No class, no pedigree, no honour.
 
The world cup - 2022 Argentina.
Messi deserved that one though, but its not a vintage Argentina side really, good team spirit and played some decent football.
They’re probably a better “team” than a lot of 90’s or 00’s teams that were filled with WC players all across the pitch but underperformed.

The Euros - 2016 Portugal, they were poor throughout the entire tournament and barely got out of the group stage, 2004 Greece were a much better team and deserved to win it.

Copa América - No idea probably some deadbeat Chile side.

The Champions League - 2005 Liverpool or 2012 Chelsea, both were dreadful teams but both had to beat strong opponents both in the finals and on their way to the finals, 2005 Liverpool was a worse side on paper, with the better manager.

Europa League - 2022 Frankfurt?
The FA Cup - 2024 Manchester United, glad we won it but we deserved nothing last season, couldn’t pick 2013 Wigan, it was too beautiful.
League Cup - 2008 Spurs, because its Spurs and they shouldn’t be winning trophies.

The Premier League - 2011 Manchester United, better than the rest, not a great side. 2013 had Van Persie and Carrick at their peak at least.
La Liga - 2021 Atletico maybe? A bit of a tedious side wasn’t it?
Serie A - 2022 AC Milan maybe?
 
The world cup - Italy 2006
The Euros - Portugal or Greece
Copa América -

The Champions League - Porto / Chelsea
Europa League - Utd
The FA Cup - Everton
League Cup - Birmingham

The Premier League - Blackburn
La Liga - Atletico, horrible team
Serie A - Juventus the cheating ones
 
Who are the worst champions in your opinion in terms of performances and points relative to opposition (I.e. Having a low points total against weak opposition). In addition to other factors like goals and luck.

I know people will put Manchester City but in terms of the factors mentioned they wouldn't be the worst, they just achieved it by cheating off the field.

Who would you put as the worst to win?

The world cup
The Euros
Copa América

The Champions League
Europa League
The FA Cup
League Cup

The Premier League
La Liga
Serie A

And any others
World Cup: Probably one of the Italian teams from the 1930s with Mussolini buying the refs. Or 1954 Germany being thrashed by Hungary then having a dressingroom full of syringes and suddenly beating the best team in the world.

Euros: Greece or Denmark. I'll go Greece because at least Denmark had Schmeichel who was the best in the world in his position. Greece had nobody. In the way they won it though, Portugal in 2016 would be up there, with so many draws in 90 minutes. Greece to be fair to them actually beat a lot of good teams.

Copa America: Going on too long so probably some duds in the first 50 years that we wouldn't know enough about. In recent years, Colombia in 2001. Argentina pulled out and Brazil had a weak team.

Champions League: Liverpool in 2005 come to mind, look at the first 11 and you wonder how they beat that Milan team. Going back to the European Cup years, then maybe Steaua Bucharest.

Europa League: Frankfurt were weak enough when they beat Rangers a few years ago.

FA Cup: Wigan when they got relegated would be up there, or Sunderland in the second division.

League Cup: Swansea maybe?

Premier League: Blackburn, apart from Shearer they had very little and failed in Europe/faded to mediocrity. Also almost bottled the title.

La Liga: Maybe one of the Benitez Valencia teams?

Serie A: Could argue one of the leagues that Inter won when Juventus and Milan were docked points and won automatically.
 
World Cup - Argentina 2022. No team that loses to Saudi Arabia can claim to be the best in the world.

Euros - Portugal 2016. Greece 2004 were uninspiring but solid. This Portuguese team only got through the group stage by virtue of the new, shite format, having drawn every game in a crap group. The only game they won in normal time was against Wales in the semi-final.

Champions League - Chelsea 2012. I wanted to say Liverpool 2005 but a team managed by Roberto Di Matteo, that finished sixth in the league, and that started Ryan Bertrand, has no business winning that competition.

Premier League - Leicester 2015/16. Lovely story, but it really was an absolutely perfect storm of all of the usual big teams being utter shite and momentum carrying them. They were in relegation trouble for two thirds of the following season.

FA Cup - Wigan 2013. I know actual lower league teams have won it before, but this Wigan side were a special brand of shit. Flirted with relegation season after season, then actually got relegated but managed to win the fecking cup. Not been back to the top flight and have since been relegated to League One.

League Cup - Birmingham 2011. Similar to Wigan in that they also got relegated that season. Won because Chesney inexplicably dropped the ball at the feet of Obafemi Martins in the 90th minute.
 
Who are the worst champions in your opinion in terms of performances and points relative to opposition (I.e. Having a low points total against weak opposition). In addition to other factors like goals and luck.

I know people will put Manchester City but in terms of the factors mentioned they wouldn't be the worst, they just achieved it by cheating off the field.

Who would you put as the worst to win?

The world cup
The Euros
Copa América

The Champions League
Europa League
The FA Cup
League Cup

The Premier League
La Liga
Serie A

And any others

WC: England 66

Euros: Denmark 92

European Cup: Aston Villa

Champions League: Porto 2004

Honourable mention for Brazil 1970. Their attack was luscious, football poetry but its defence was a massive steaming stick of sorry shite.
 
Leicester city, absolute muck that won the league, got shown to be absolutely muck in the UCL.
 
Leicester city, absolute muck that won the league, got shown to be absolutely muck in the UCL.

They topped their group, knocked out Sevilla, and went out in a close tie vs a great Atletico side? After losing Kante as well
 
Leicester city, absolute muck that won the league, got shown to be absolutely muck in the UCL.
They weren’t “muck” in the CL.
They finished first in their group, beat Sevilla in the first KO round, and lost narrowly to previous finalists, A.Madrid in the quarterfinals.
That after losing their best player in the summer.

When was the last time that odious club Celtic did anything in the CL?
Respect, respect, respect.
 
Statistically speaking:

WC - Argentina 2022. Out of 7 games they won 4 (Mexico, Poland, Australia and Croatia), drew 2, lost 1.

Euro - It's between Italy 1968 and Portugal 2016. Italy got to the final due to coin toss and won the final due to match repetition, all while at home. Portugal won 3 games out of 7 (two of them in extra time) while scoring only 9 goals, was third of their group.

Copa America - I'd say Argentina 1993. Won 2 games out of 6, scoring only 6 goals. Their Best player was the keeper (Sergio Goycochea, fantastic penalty stopper).
 
World Cup - Argentina 2022. No team that loses to Saudi Arabia can claim to be the best in the world.

Euros - Portugal 2016. Greece 2004 were uninspiring but solid. This Portuguese team only got through the group stage by virtue of the new, shite format, having drawn every game in a crap group. The only game they won in normal time was against Wales in the semi-final.

Champions League - Chelsea 2012. I wanted to say Liverpool 2005 but a team managed by Roberto Di Matteo, that finished sixth in the league, and that started Ryan Bertrand, has no business winning that competition.

Premier League - Leicester 2015/16. Lovely story, but it really was an absolutely perfect storm of all of the usual big teams being utter shite and momentum carrying them. They were in relegation trouble for two thirds of the following season.

FA Cup - Wigan 2013. I know actual lower league teams have won it before, but this Wigan side were a special brand of shit. Flirted with relegation season after season, then actually got relegated but managed to win the fecking cup. Not been back to the top flight and have since been relegated to League One.

League Cup - Birmingham 2011. Similar to Wigan in that they also got relegated that season. Won because Chesney inexplicably dropped the ball at the feet of Obafemi Martins in the 90th minute.

Bertrand was just a kid from the academy. He would never have started the final if we didn't have all those suspensions. It wasn't like he was a huge part of the team. The final was literally his first start. Ramires would have 100% have started if he wasn't suspended.

But yeah, it was an old team with most of the legends from the previous decade on their last legs. Drogba left Chelsea that summer. I think Ashley Cole lasted one more season. Cech was usurped by Courtois by 2014. Lampard was gone by 2014.

I adore that CL achievement for many reasons, but one of them is the fact that this team had tried and come close so many times the previous 8 years. There was a period of 2 years I felt we were definitely the best team in Europe. We came up empty handed on so many occasions, to win it with that team when they were old and probably the very last chance to do was .... kinda legendary.
 
Pellegrini's 2014 City side were the best of a bad bunch and the worst Premier League champions. Put that 2013 Manchester United side or the 2016 Leicester side in the league that year and they would have walked it.
 
The World Cup — I'm tempted to name one of Italy-34 or Argentina-78 due to fair play concerns... but I've obviously haven't seen any games from the 30's and that Argentina team was very strong with amazing performances from Passarella & Kempes. Or West Germany-54 due to, again, very strong doping allegations. If we're talking purely about on-the-field performance from fully televised World Cups... probably Argentina-22. Then there's the outside shout for Brazil-02 simply due to how weak that overall tournament was. The only great team that they've faced in the entire run-up was England, but they did well to convincingly beat the opposition, regardless of how relatively weak it was.

The Euros — Portugal-16 for me. Shouldn't have even made it out of the group if not for the ridiculous intumescence of the tournament. Finishing third behind Hungary and Iceland... barely scraping past Poland via penalties, facing Wales in the semi-finals and, credit where credit is due, playing decent enough against underperforming France in the final and beating them in the overtime with a lucky goal. There were lesser names that have won it but Portugal were the worst-performing winners, there's no question about it in my mind.

The Champions League — maybe Chelsea-12? They have managed to beat great Barcelona & Bayern sides, so it wasn't a case of a lucky draw, but I struggle to think of a less convincing European champion ever. I don't know how many innocent leprechauns were sacrificed on Abramovich's yacht for them to finally win it. The early 1980's European Cup campaigns were weird sometimes. I don't think that, say, Aston Villa or Hamburg SV were the best sides in Europe that seasons but they both had to beat a strong Dynamo Kyiv side and then a proper European heavy-weight in the final (Bayern & Juve respectively). Another shout would be Porto-04, of course — they shouldn't have beaten us if the ref was competent (or, possibly, corrupt? Apito Dourado) and the rest of their draws were stupidly easy. It still was a very strong team but then any team that wins EC/CL is.

The Premier League — it pains me to say, but... Leicester-16. They're also the best champions due to their incredible story, but the league was at its absolute low with every big club going through some sort of a crisis, so if we go by performance, I wouldn't bet on them against any other PL-winning side. Kanté (especially), Mahrez & Vardy were genuinely great and the rest of the team went through the collective purple patch, but still.

La Liga — again the worst champion = one of the best stories? A very competitive 99/00 season with Barcelona, Madrid & Valencia sides that performed well in Europe around these years. But that Deportivo-00 side still finished on 69 points (record low for a winner since they've introduced the 3 pts for a win rule) with a relatively low +22 goal difference. It was a very entertaining side to watch though with Makaay and Djalminha especially stealing the show. Who else would perform a rainbow flick against Real Madrid...
 
Portsmouth side who somehow managed to win the FA Cup in 2008. We'd have had two trebles if it wasn't for them.

The ball just refused to go in their net in our 6th round tie against them.
 
Why is everyone hating on Greece?

Their win in 2004 was miraculous and totally unexpected, and 2004 was only the 2nd time they had been in the Euros. For a tiny team like that to triumph was ann amazing story.
 
The Premier League — it pains me to say, but... Leicester-16. They're also the best champions due to their incredible story, but the league was at its absolute low with every big club going through some sort of a crisis, so if we go by performance, I wouldn't bet on them against any other PL-winning side. Kanté (especially), Mahrez & Vardy were genuinely great and the rest of the team went through the collective purple patch, but still.

I think that Leicester squad still makes Europa League and maybe 4th place even if most of the big teams have normal seasons. They even had a decent run in the champions league the next season.

It feels weird to call them the worst as it wasn't like they won it while all the players half-assed it.
 
I think that Leicester squad still makes Europa League and maybe 4th place even if most of the big teams have normal seasons. They even had a decent run in the champions league the next season.

It feels weird to call them the worst as it wasn't like they won it while all the players half-assed it.
Any team that wins the league is a good team. At least I don't remember any genuinely weak teams winning top leagues ever. But Leicester had won it in the weakest PL season in my memory and I don't think they'd beat any other PL champions personally.
 
World Cup - Italy 1930s winners are the most suspect, alongside Argentina '78, and West Germany '54, regarding corruption/ref controversies, but who knows for sure with that stuff. Of the World Cups that have all games available (1966 +) I don't think there's really been an obviously weakest winner in terms of the actual performance.

Euro - Portugal 2016 for the various reasons already mentioned. Italy 1968 is an interesting suggestion - strong on paper, but needed a coin-toss against a Soviet Union that had lost most of its starting eleven to an injury crisis and issues with the regime, then needed a replay against Yugoslavia after struggling during a controversial first game.
 
I think that Leicester squad still makes Europa League and maybe 4th place even if most of the big teams have normal seasons. They even had a decent run in the champions league the next season.

It feels weird to call them the worst as it wasn't like they won it while all the players half-assed it.

I feel like it was a bit all or nothing for them.

There were a few times in the season where they found themselves either grinding out or snatching results (which is a mark of champions), but looking back I can really see a couple of moments where them failing to do that could have seen the wheels come off a bit.
 
The world cup- Italy 2006
The Euros- Italy 2020

The Champions League- Chelsea 2012
The FA Cup- United 2024
League Cup- Swansea 2013

The Premier League- United 10/11
La Liga- Atletico 2020/2021
Serie A - Any winner in the last 3 years

United 10/11 is a weird one. Loved the season, a lot of last minute goals. Won 5 away games. We were excellent from March but before that we were pretty awful.
 
Leicester. They faded badly around the middle of the season and were lucky that everyone around them was fecking terrible. Spurs were their main challengers, says it all.

United in 2012/13, we were basically dragged kicking and screaming to a title by Van Persie.
 
Champions League - Chelsea 2012 under di Matteo
World cup - not sure, Italy 06?
Euros - Greece 2004
Prem - Leicester
Fa cup - Wigan

The great stories usually involve the worst quality teams getting by on huge strokes of luck to get over the line. Still a great story, but objectively speaking they are the worst quality teams winning it all. World cup is one where there hasn't really been a flukey winner. Italy 2006 closest to it because of that game vs Australia but even so they were just a terrific defensive side. But not as dominant as France 98, Brazil 02, Spain 2010, Germany 2014, France 2018... Argentina 2022 would be the 2nd worst I'd say. And before that I just don't know enough.
 
The world cup - Argentina 2022 - By far the weakest team to win it.
The Euros - Portugal 2016 - No way they deserved to win.

The Champions League - Chelsea 2012
The FA Cup - Portsmouth 2008
 
The FA Cup- United 2024

Ole's Gunnar Win saying it just sounds like sour grapes.

World Cup - Italy 1930s winners are the most suspect, alongside Argentina '78, and West Germany '54, regarding corruption/ref controversies,

Germany in 1954 lost to Hungary 8-3 in the group stage, If there was doping, they'd have been doped then, too. Seems the Hungarians got a bit cocky.

Argentina 78's win over Peru is a good shout, and lest we forget senior allegations against England (66) and Germany (74). Some decisions favouring England in 66 (Hurt's second, Rattin's dismissal) enhance suspicion.

England's failure to compete at the very highest level again makes them the worst winner for me, especially with those suspicious, decisive calls going their way.
 
I think United might push that Wigan team who won the FA Cup if they stubbornly keep ETH and the players keep downing tools

Wigan
 
The best leverworst is probably Kips leverworst.

There's many different types of worst though. Weird thread.