Television The Wire

Is it as good as breaking bad ?
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Mad Men is a level below those two IMO. It has some very high highs, but the average is not quite there.

That said, I did recently queue up another re-watch of it, so it's still great.
I think Mad Men stands tall among them, I think on the contrary on average it's as good if not better than Breaking Bad (though of course that's personal preference). It also has massive rewatch value, I'd say it's better once you've seen it all pan out - the level of detail and little things that were already spread out across the seasons is quite crazy.
 
It fooled me at first too, but to be fair she's repeatedly called "girl" and referred to as "she" throughout the series, so I think that one's on you :lol:

yeah it's definitely on me

I've yet to meet someone else who had the same issue :lol:

still, what a fecking performance though?! Such an amazing character, and the her final scene was heart-breaking

there is no show out there that has so many characters with such depth and nuance, not even close
 
yeah it's definitely on me

I've yet to meet someone else who had the same issue :lol:

still, what a fecking performance though?! Such an amazing character, and the her final scene was heart-breaking

there is no show out there that has so many characters with such depth and nuance, not even close
Given Felicity Pearson’s life I wonder how much she was playing herself.
 
Up to the end of season 4. Might squeeze in the first episode of season 5 before hopping into bed.

It really is an absolutely amazing show.

The dialogue, the acting, the naturalness of the stories being told. The humour. Every character is likeable because they feel so real. Nothing falls into place artificially like a bad soap opera (cough Game of Thrones season 8), and it's so cleverly written that even an arc that seems impossible to resolve comes to a fitting conclusion. The framing of scenes, the ability to change themes every season yet still maintain a core focus within an overarching narrative, the depth of the characters, the whole fecking thing is an absolute masterclass of storytelling that it puts every other show to shame.

And I will never tire of McNulty crashing his car and then drunkenly re-enacting the accident just to confirm that it actually happened.
 
Up to the end of season 4. Might squeeze in the first episode of season 5 before hopping into bed.

It really is an absolutely amazing show.

The dialogue, the acting, the naturalness of the stories being told. The humour. Every character is likeable because they feel so real. Nothing falls into place artificially like a bad soap opera (cough Game of Thrones season 8), and it's so cleverly written that even an arc that seems impossible to resolve comes to a fitting conclusion. The framing of scenes, the ability to change themes every season yet still maintain a core focus within an overarching narrative, the depth of the characters, the whole fecking thing is an absolute masterclass of storytelling that it puts every other shoe to shame.

Hey everyone look he said shoe.
 
Just finishing the sopranos again for the millionth time and while I’ve got now tv I’ll be watching this. Never seen it and only heard good things.
 
Just finishing the sopranos again for the millionth time and while I’ve got now tv I’ll be watching this. Never seen it and only heard good things.

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Just finishing the sopranos again for the millionth time and while I’ve got now tv I’ll be watching this. Never seen it and only heard good things.

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Damn!
Another one that never managed to finish this due to life circumstances.
Think I got up to S3 then gave up..
Due a rewatch now I've got some free time!
 
Saw this thread on the homepage. Watched this ages ago but haven’t recently. What’s it on? Still Sky?
Definitely in my top 3 all time series.
 
Just finishing the sopranos again for the millionth time and while I’ve got now tv I’ll be watching this. Never seen it and only heard good things.
Was in the same situation as yourself, binge watched it last year for the first time. You are in for a treat.
 
When you're reaching the levels of The Wire, Breaking Bad, Sopranos and Mad Men, you're entering a territory in which better can often depend on mood, emphasis, style and a number of other factors. Each show has certain aspects that they do better or worse than the others. At this level it's too hard to call between them and it really does become a question of apples or oranges.

It's not a question that it's as good as Breaking Bad; it's whether it's better than anything ever made on television. It deserves to be in that conversation.
Made men is not even close to Sopranos or the Wire, and a distance behind Breaking Bad too.

Granted i could only watch the first few episodes because it was so dull.
 
Just finishing the sopranos again for the millionth time and while I’ve got now tv I’ll be watching this. Never seen it and only heard good things.
I'm so jealous. It is a work of art and helped transform television. It is also the only show to reach the level of excellence that the Sopranos did, in my opinion. Enjoy!
 
Forgot how shit the theme to Season 5 is. I have no idea why Steve Earle thought "I'll record this as if I'm anyone other than Steve Earle."

I know Season 5 gets a lot of criticism for being the weakest season, but it's like complaining that the final course in your perfect meal is only a giant multi layered chocolate gateau with complimentary blowjob.
 
Forgot how shit the theme to Season 5 is. I have no idea why Steve Earle thought "I'll record this as if I'm anyone other than Steve Earle."

I know Season 5 gets a lot of criticism for being the weakest season, but it's like complaining that the final course in your perfect meal is only a giant multi layered chocolate gateau with complimentary blowjob.
Bit of a change of topic but a similar analogy can be said of the Simpsons Movie. I think 16 years later and I feel it's pretty good now. Definitely better than most the Simpsons material the last 10 years.
 
Made men is not even close to Sopranos or the Wire, and a distance behind Breaking Bad too.

Granted i could only watch the first few episodes because it was so dull.
Talking out of your arse, obviously.
Forgot how shit the theme to Season 5 is. I have no idea why Steve Earle thought "I'll record this as if I'm anyone other than Steve Earle."

I know Season 5 gets a lot of criticism for being the weakest season, but it's like complaining that the final course in your perfect meal is only a giant multi layered chocolate gateau with complimentary blowjob.
Well... to an extent. But in the process of watching it now, and it really does have a lot of issues. It has some excellent stuff too, but it's not just the serial killer plot that doesn't work (but boy, it reaaaaaally doesn't work, it's worse than I remembered it), there are some other issues too. Still very watcheable, and as far as I remember, a really good conclusion with the last episode.
And I will never tire of McNulty crashing his car and then drunkenly re-enacting the accident just to confirm that it actually happened.
One of the best scenes. Such a pathetic character overall.
 
Because you're giving an opinion about a show you've watched a few episodes of, by your own admission.
Fair. I watched almost the entire season to be fair, and it is on my radar to give it another go. Perhaps I'll change my opinion if i get through the wall i couldn't last time.
 
I didn't realise that the show was effectively cancelled after Season 3, and there was two years before Season 4 came out. I only remember thinking that Snoop was a seriously shit character in season 3, and the first scene of season 4 making me change my mind entirely on her.


No spoilers in that video for any lurkers who are curious.


Such a fecking brilliant show.
 
In the episode where Cheese takes his dog to the dogfight and ends up killing him after he loses, the other guy goes to him and tells him he got played. They both look at this rag on the floor and that's apparently the evidence. What happened here? How did the other guy cheat to win the dogfight? I was totally lost on that scene.

Btw Cheese's interrogation in that episode is fecking hilarious.
 
In the episode where Cheese takes his dog to the dogfight and ends up killing him after he loses, the other guy goes to him and tells him he got played. They both look at this rag on the floor and that's apparently the evidence. What happened here? How did the other guy cheat to win the dogfight? I was totally lost on that scene.

Btw Cheese's interrogation in that episode is fecking hilarious.

It is presumably some sort of tranquilizer, something that tastes awful to Cheese's dog, or potentially a pheromone or other scent that discourages him from fighting.

Google (and not my own extensive personal history of dog-fighting) suggests that in many fights the opposing trainer is allowed to rub down the dog to avoid this - and probably Cheese realized he hadn't done so when seeing the rag.
 
I didn't realise that the show was effectively cancelled after Season 3, and there was two years before Season 4 came out. I only remember thinking that Snoop was a seriously shit character in season 3, and the first scene of season 4 making me change my mind entirely on her.


No spoilers in that video for any lurkers who are curious.


Such a fecking brilliant show.

I mean... It's a good scene, but she is a bit of a shit character. She and Chris as a duo were quite flat.

I finished my rewatch last week and yeah season 5 really isn't great. It's got its moments (Bubs's redemption arc is lovely, the fallout from the whole serial killer mess in the last episode is pretty well done...), but overall it just feels a bit odd. What I find fascinating is that the whole newsroom angle, which obviously David Simon must have known very well, was incredibly boring. It offers very little insight in general, and the characters never feel particularly real or engaging (with maybe the exception of Gus).

Anyway, doesn't really spoil the broth per se, it's a shame it didn't go out with season 4 which hit exceptional highs, but at least it has a good conclusion, not particularly happy but consistent with the idea of this inevitable repeat cycle with little hope for redemption due to the systemic failings of the city (and, more widely, of our societies). A wonderful, important piece of naturalistic study that Zola (Émile, not Gianfranco) would be proud of.