The US Democratic Party - The Road to 2026 and 2028

rio's upper lip

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Right, the Dems are in complete chaos. They seem weak as feck, and are completely unable to land any hits of note against Trump 2.0 so far. There's no clear leader, no unifying message, and factions pulling in opposite directions. Moderates and progressives are locked in an endless blame game—moderates say progressives push unpopular issues, progressives say moderates stand for nothing but establishment status quo.

The messaging? A disaster, even with Trump desperately trying to outdo himself with next-level stupidity and narcissistic hubris. Republicans churn out simple slogans and vacuous power-plays against minnows; Democrats sound increasingly desperate. Young voters are disillusioned, state-level power is crumbling, and heading into 2026 (midterms) and 2028 (GE), there’s no bold vision or charismatic figure to rally around. A party without a plan is a party heading for defeat.

Where the hell do they go from here? Are we finally witnessing the end of the Democratic establishment?
 
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rio's upper lip said:
Right, the Dems are in complete chaos. They seem weak as feck, and are completely unable to land any hits of note against Trump 2.0 so far. There's no clear leader, no unifying message, and factions pulling in opposite directions. Moderates and progressives are locked in an endless blame game—moderates say progressives push unpopular issues, progressives say moderates stand for nothing but establishment status quo.

The messaging? A disaster, even with Trump desperately trying to outdo himself with next-level stupidity and narcissistic hubris. Republicans churn out simple slogans and vacuous power-plays against minnows; Democrats sound increasingly desperate. Young voters are disillusioned, state-level power is crumbling, and heading into 2026 (midterms) and 2028 (GE), there’s no bold vision or charismatic figure to rally around. A party without a plan is a party heading for defeat.

Where the hell do they go from here? Are we finally witnessing the end of the Democratic establishment?
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Im not sure what hits any opposition could land on Trump right now.

This was Steve Bannon's plan - flood the zone. There is so much chaos every day, that even if the Democrats were unified behind one leader, they would still be playing whack a mole.

Thing will settle down in a few months time, so we will have to wait and see who the strongest voices will be.

The primary process will hopefully select the best candidate. Hopefully it is not someone burdened by previous administrations, like Harris was dragged down by Biden.

Trump will inevitably let down many who voted for him. Many will be tired of the Trump show, like they were last time. I think many will become wary of this oligarchy that is developing around Trump, especially if consumer prices continue to rise - that could lead to a Bernie type message.
 
gaffs said:
Americans may be tired of billionaires after 4 years of Trump and Musk.
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They keep voting for them though.

I was half-kidding, but I do think he could be the kind of candidate the Democrats probably should go with. He’s got a mix of some progressive policies and may appeal to some of the right-wing types having been successful in business. He also comes from a ‘good’ state as opposed to Newsom.

Could be a pragmatic choice. Knowing the Dems they probably select a trans woman or something.
 
Majority of population simply want normalcy, it’s only when the things that should expected under normality are not tacked they deviate away from the middle.

Take a hard stance of illegal immigration, tax rich / corporations properly, fund police and address crime, bring back manufacturing, and stand for affordable healthcare. As simple as that.
 
TheGame said:
Dems are 1 below Republicans in the Senate. They should be able to reverse that at the mid terms. Finding a candidate for 2028 will be an issue. Gavin Newsom seems to be the one at the moment.
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They are three below GOP in the senate (effectively 4 considering that JD Vance is VP). They won’t be able to get back the senate before 2028.
 
Rajma said:
Majority of population simply want normalcy, it’s only when the things that should expected under normality are not tacked they deviate away from the middle.

Take a hard stance of illegal immigration, tax rich / corporations properly, fund police and address crime, bring back manufacturing, and stand for affordable healthcare. As simple as that.
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Not sure they voted the right man this time then.
 
Mike Smalling said:
They keep voting for them though.

I was half-kidding, but I do think he could be the kind of candidate the Democrats probably should go with. He’s got a mix of some progressive policies and may appeal to some of the right-wing types having been successful in business. He also comes from a ‘good’ state as opposed to Newsom.

Could be a pragmatic choice. Knowing the Dems they probably select a trans woman or something.
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Probably Newsome. Democrats are most likely off the woke train at this point.
 
TheGame said:
Dems are 1 below Republicans in the Senate. They should be able to reverse that at the mid terms. Finding a candidate for 2028 will be an issue. Gavin Newsom seems to be the one at the moment.
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I believe that 3 of the 4 seats that are considered toss ups are all in states that Trump won - NC, MI, GA.
All depends on how Trump fairs.
 
Rajma said:
He’s a dead men walking, especially after latest fires in LA.
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Short memories, the chance that Republicans don’t deliver by 2028, and a potentially successful Olympics might swing into his favor. If the country feels improved after another four years of Trump, then it’s probably a cake walk for Vance.
 
Rajma said:
He’s a dead men walking, especially after latest fires in LA. Blessing in disguise for democrats.
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What are you talking about? How do the wildfires have anything to do with Newsom? As someone that lives in LA, and knows people that lost their fecking home, I can unequivocally state that no one here is blaming Newsom for an act of nature that resulted from climate change.
 
oneniltothearsenal said:
What are you talking about? How do the wildfires have anything to do with Newsom? As someone that lives in LA, and knows people that lost their fecking home, I can unequivocally state that no one here is blaming Newsom for an act of nature that resulted from climate change.
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It has nothing to do with him don’t get me wrong but the perception across the US will surely be different after Trump’s onslaught.
 
Florida Man said:
Short memories, the chance that Republicans don’t deliver by 2028, and a potentially successful Olympics might swing into his favor. If the country feels improved after another four years of Trump, then it’s probably a cake walk for Vance.
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I am aware of the cons re: Newsom, but I'd love for him to run and win. He talks, and acts like a leader and would hopefully take significant climate action. He's also done very well on Fox News pushing back against Republicans in a hostile environment. Very likeable to me.
 


John Fetterman has come out in support of Trump’s ethnic cleansing plans. I think this fits this thread. The Democrats won’t learn anything unfortunately, they’ll just move even further right.
 
thisisnottaken1 said:


John Fetterman has come out in support of Trump’s ethnic cleansing plans. I think this fits this thread. The Democrats won’t learn anything unfortunately, they’ll just move even further right.
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Fetterman is just a disgusting Zionist and a childish contrarian.
 
Assuming dems gets senate back in 2028, which they probably won't, but if they do, Fetterman would just be their next Sinema, and a bunch of stuff gets blocked anyway.
 
thisisnottaken1 said:


John Fetterman has come out in support of Trump’s ethnic cleansing plans. I think this fits this thread. The Democrats won’t learn anything unfortunately, they’ll just move even further right.
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He won’t be Democrat for long.


Democrats are stuck in the mire though and won’t move forward until Pelosi is dead.
 
rio's upper lip said:
Where the hell do they go from here? Are we finally witnessing the end of the Democratic establishment?
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They’re going nowhere until they grapple with, and accept, a lot of the issues that have led to much of Trump’s popularity.
 
Rajma said:
It has nothing to do with him don’t get me wrong but the perception across the US will surely be different after Trump’s onslaught.
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Trump's going to unleash on any Democrat candidate or opposition leader. At least Newsom is savvy and articulate enough to make a counter case unlike Harris and anyone else I see from the Dems in the public eye. Buttigieg would be second, although Newsom is still more effective but after those two, the Dems literally have no one else capable. Walz is a good guy but would just get pummeled in the current climate.
 
Rajma said:
Take a hard stance of illegal immigration, tax rich / corporations properly, fund police and address crime, bring back manufacturing, and stand for affordable healthcare. As simple as that.
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No. That's dog shit, for dog shit people in a dog shit country.

Universal healthcare, regulate tech, tax wealth, billionaire's money out of politics, pro worker, lina Khan, law based foreign policy.

You won't get it all and preliminary steps towards future goals should be the aim but it really is a choice between whether you want a country or you want to continue with the shir hole.
 
Kinsella said:
They’re going nowhere until they grapple with, and accept, a lot of the issues that have led to much of Trump’s popularity.
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It’s never their fault. Much easier to blame Americans for not being smart like the coastal elites. If they keep on at it, maybe this time it’ll work!
 
iKnowNothing said:
Newsom would be Republican dream! No way Americans in swing state vote for him over anyone on the R ticket.
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User name checks out.

GOP got their dream opponents in an aged Biden and inarticulate Harris. Any type of candidate, like Walz, that passes this "swing state" centrist test is going to both lose some enthusiasm from the left flank and not be articulate and social media sound byte savvy enough to really fight back.
 
Mike Smalling said:
Fetterman is just a disgusting Zionist and a childish contrarian.
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He is neither. Just your regular political grifter. First grifted the left to get elected. Now is grifting the right for the gravy train
 
dumbo said:
No. That's dog shit, for dog shit people in a dog shit country.

Universal healthcare, regulate tech, tax wealth, billionaire's money out of politics, pro worker, lina Khan, law based foreign policy.

You won't get it all and preliminary steps towards future goals should be the aim but it really is a choice between whether you want a country or you want to continue with the shir hole.
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Damn bro who shit in your dog food this morning?
 
It's as much about how the Democrats conduct the next election cycle as much as who it is. There were points of note that got missed in the result from November. The critique by Trump of Dem raising/spending and the drive for celebrity endorsements. Ironically, these have been elements of the US election cycle typically derided by the left but it's now being done by the right. Also, the ability to engage with new media. The Democrats will need someone able to come across as real and sit down for podcast interviews and be out of their comfort zone to an extent.

Regardless of policy or person, they can't run the campaign the same way. Trump made it seem totally out-dated and detached.
 
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