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The Upbeat Thread
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I'm just one soldier in Amorim's depressed red army.
Amorim didn’t want to come until the summer. Part of that may have been because he didn’t want to leave Sporting in the crap. He might also have seen exactly this coming. It would have been much better to come in the summer, sign a few players he thought suited the system and then gone from there.
We’ve got a guy playing LWB who can’t use his left foot. If Dorgu is even half decent then our left hand side will be so much more effective. Dalot can then try RWB and stop Maz from playing there where he’s much less impressive than at RCB.
We’ve not permanently got rid of anyone but at least we’ve got some of the dead wood out on loan. This at least shows willingness to clear up and hopefully it’ll be the same in the summer.
This season is a right off. If we can go on a bit of a cup run then great. Either Amorim knows exactly what he’s doing or he’s a genius who’s given himself the best excuse ever. I’ll wait until next season before even starting to despair.
We’ve got a guy playing LWB who can’t use his left foot. If Dorgu is even half decent then our left hand side will be so much more effective. Dalot can then try RWB and stop Maz from playing there where he’s much less impressive than at RCB.
We’ve not permanently got rid of anyone but at least we’ve got some of the dead wood out on loan. This at least shows willingness to clear up and hopefully it’ll be the same in the summer.
This season is a right off. If we can go on a bit of a cup run then great. Either Amorim knows exactly what he’s doing or he’s a genius who’s given himself the best excuse ever. I’ll wait until next season before even starting to despair.
Maybe but this is the upbeat thread
We have seen that the 5-3-2 part (as defined by the more defensive set-up) is actually pretty effective and difficult to break down - see City (A), Liverpool (A), Arsenal (A).
We know that the problem is breaking down low-blocks and controlling games with the '3-4-3'...but, as I always, always bang on about...coaching a defensive setup is much, much easier than coaching an attacking setup...so it's bound to take time, especially with so many young / inexperienced players
Things that cheer me are that the youth teams are doing well and there is a lot of promise there.
January transfer window closed with Antony elsewhere and both Garnacho and Mainoo still at the club.
Most of this summer’s signing show promise with Ugarte a bright side of the season so far.
A likeable manager.
Amad.
January transfer window closed with Antony elsewhere and both Garnacho and Mainoo still at the club.
Most of this summer’s signing show promise with Ugarte a bright side of the season so far.
A likeable manager.
Amad.
I’m pretty sure that ineous knew things would get worse and would take a number of years to sort out. I know there aren’t any replacements sorted but ultimately I do not care. Rather play the kids. Next year Ericsson lindelof will be gone hopefully Casemiro and Rashford too, that’s a lot of possibilities to open. Future is bright I reckon
Those 2 are not mutually exclusive, we havn't been very good at breaking down low-blocks no matter what formation we've used in the last decade
Erik ten Haag will never make another signing for United.
We have Amad. We are targeting top tier youth prospects and young players as our main targets (good). We have some exciting youth players coming through the academy now. Amorim is far more astute in how he analyzes issues and tweaks the team (yes I know the results don’t show it).
Oh, and we seem better at negotiating under the new regime.
Oh, and we seem better at negotiating under the new regime.
I’m a fan of the reset we are trying to do under Amorim. It’s clear the clubs a complete mess. It’d of been easy for him to pander to the likes of Rashford.
Thank you OP for this. I share your feelings and sympathize. Redcafe used to be really good, would spend hours lurking here. Nowadays it's mostly negative posts repeated x1000.
As for the positives I've seen:
- I'm happy we have a coach that realizes our current standards are unacceptable and IMO is doing the best he can with a very poorly dealt hand. He's been honest and has integrity.
- We are playing more as a team.
- We have football men making decisions upstairs (No more Ed, Matt Judge, Murtough).
- Under performing players are dropped/moved on.
I feel we are moving in the right direction, and understand it will take time to undo the current mess.
As for the positives I've seen:
- I'm happy we have a coach that realizes our current standards are unacceptable and IMO is doing the best he can with a very poorly dealt hand. He's been honest and has integrity.
- We are playing more as a team.
- We have football men making decisions upstairs (No more Ed, Matt Judge, Murtough).
- Under performing players are dropped/moved on.
I feel we are moving in the right direction, and understand it will take time to undo the current mess.
We still have ressources other teams don't have. A huge fanbase nurtured from a great history, while playing in the most appealing league.
As long as we get our recruitment right and are able to set professional standards in the club and first team, we will eventually be able to play with the big boys again.
As long as we get our recruitment right and are able to set professional standards in the club and first team, we will eventually be able to play with the big boys again.
That is arguably Amorims first 11 for the rest of the season.
Look at how young that team is, nothing can replace the development and experience that comes with age. Just time alone will see them become more consistent. You cannot skip the growing pains of kids, and this is a team being assembled for future years. Likely to add Quenda at RWB too who is only 17. Madness.
-------------------------------------------------Hojlund (21)- -----------------------------------------
--------Mainoo (19)--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Diallo (22)-------
----------------------------------Bruno (30) -------------------Ugarte (23)---------------------
-Dorgu (20)--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Dalot (25)
------------------Yoro (18) ----------------------De Ligt (25) ------------- ----------------Maz (27)----------------
-------------------------------------------------Onana (28)-------------------------------------------------
Look at how young that team is, nothing can replace the development and experience that comes with age. Just time alone will see them become more consistent. You cannot skip the growing pains of kids, and this is a team being assembled for future years. Likely to add Quenda at RWB too who is only 17. Madness.
-------------------------------------------------Hojlund (21)- -----------------------------------------
--------Mainoo (19)--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Diallo (22)-------
----------------------------------Bruno (30) -------------------Ugarte (23)---------------------
-Dorgu (20)--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Dalot (25)
------------------Yoro (18) ----------------------De Ligt (25) ------------- ----------------Maz (27)----------------
-------------------------------------------------Onana (28)-------------------------------------------------
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I used to find it depressing that the goalkeeper not an outfield player kept winning our player of the season award but that’s been solved by Onana
Sneaky!
I wanted to create a similar thread and came across this one. Thank you.
No one is happy with our current position, but for the first time, I have the feeling that the right steps are being taken to build a solid foundation and not just paint over the cracks.
I am frustrated with the results, as most people are, but I try to stay positive. I was surprised that people really suggested sacking RA after what he inherited at the club. I am also sure that if we had scored first against Palace, we would have won that game. You can see the idea becoming clearer with each game, and small improvements which hopefully will soon show in the results.
No one is happy with our current position, but for the first time, I have the feeling that the right steps are being taken to build a solid foundation and not just paint over the cracks.
I am frustrated with the results, as most people are, but I try to stay positive. I was surprised that people really suggested sacking RA after what he inherited at the club. I am also sure that if we had scored first against Palace, we would have won that game. You can see the idea becoming clearer with each game, and small improvements which hopefully will soon show in the results.
- Deadwood is being cleared
- Signing high potential players globally
- Clearing wage bill of high earners who don't put the effort in
- Having a proper footballing structure
- Building with a clear identity.
The fans that go to the games, especially the away games. When you watch it on TV you can always turn it off, but they keep singing loudly for the boys
Some great therapy reading so far.
I'm looking forward to the cup competitions and also how Dorgu fits into the team and the effect an actual wing back will have on the system overall.
With the thin squad we should see minutes for some youth team players also and you never know, one of them might stake their claim in the senior squad ahead of time.
I'm looking forward to the cup competitions and also how Dorgu fits into the team and the effect an actual wing back will have on the system overall.
With the thin squad we should see minutes for some youth team players also and you never know, one of them might stake their claim in the senior squad ahead of time.
Fortunately I’m living on the other side of the world, and so my decision to switch off until August and hope for a successful summer signing period is easier. To be honest, watching United is not a pleasure currently especially having to view the games at early mornings. The damage done by the Glazers and Woodward, and exacerbated by the last couple of coaches needs patience and time to correct. It’s now that time and happy to wait and see the outcome.
We have very red shirts.
Yes and we have a bunch of talented players in the academy set up and other players we have signing.
Kone, Chido Obi, Leon, Heaven
Kukonki, Thwaites, Fletcher twins, Amir, Mantato, Scanlon,
I am hopeful we can get 3-4 players from the above into regular squad players for our senior team in the next 1-3 seasons.
Ruben Amorim's depressed red army,
Sir Jim running us like the Stasi.
Bring your vodka and Bacardi,
We guarantee a relegation party.
We didn't give Ruud the job when we would have done pre-Ineos. And we finally chucked Rashford out. Those are the only positives from this season.
nice
Thanks for this thread OP.
I for one am glad of the new structure of the club, and will give those in charge and Amorim a lot of time. We have to try, the prior set up was obviously very broken. It won't happen quickly.
I for one am glad of the new structure of the club, and will give those in charge and Amorim a lot of time. We have to try, the prior set up was obviously very broken. It won't happen quickly.
Every year is a season closer to our eventual return to the top. Or the heat death of the universe.
i'm liking the positive waves here. We are only 11 points off safety and EPL footy for another year.
Fanta Stick squats
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Rubes has inspired me to do leg squats.
Now I'm like....stairs? What stairs?
Now I'm like....stairs? What stairs?
And Amad
My glimmers of positivity are as follows:
I like Amorim. The results are a disaster, but while he talks a good talk, I really do feel he is confident he can do a good job here. It sounds as if he knew taking over mid season would be a mess and he's been shafted in the window, but
My next positive is that some of the signs of this window suggest we may see the back of sancho, rashford, casemiro, antony, eriksen, lindelof, malacia in the summer window among others. In their place in the squad we will see dorgu, leon, collyer, and hopefully some further along in their development and readiness, but of similar energetic, physical profiles. People bemoan a lack of money but huge money has gotten us precisely nowhere. I want clever signings of players that amorim believes will do well in his system.
Other than the usual sick notes, we seem to be doing better on the injury front.
Id miss Old Trafford terribly, and want to keep it but a redevelopment is needed. I hardly even imagine classic goals or comebacks now and the place feels cursed by failure. Any progress in refreshing things or possibly rebuilding might be good for club in long term. A decade passes quickly as weve seen with failure, and a decade from know who knows where we'll be playing.
I like Amorim. The results are a disaster, but while he talks a good talk, I really do feel he is confident he can do a good job here. It sounds as if he knew taking over mid season would be a mess and he's been shafted in the window, but
My next positive is that some of the signs of this window suggest we may see the back of sancho, rashford, casemiro, antony, eriksen, lindelof, malacia in the summer window among others. In their place in the squad we will see dorgu, leon, collyer, and hopefully some further along in their development and readiness, but of similar energetic, physical profiles. People bemoan a lack of money but huge money has gotten us precisely nowhere. I want clever signings of players that amorim believes will do well in his system.
Other than the usual sick notes, we seem to be doing better on the injury front.
Id miss Old Trafford terribly, and want to keep it but a redevelopment is needed. I hardly even imagine classic goals or comebacks now and the place feels cursed by failure. Any progress in refreshing things or possibly rebuilding might be good for club in long term. A decade passes quickly as weve seen with failure, and a decade from know who knows where we'll be playing.
If anything the age of the players we are picking up is fantastic. Secondly we seem to know who we want and in general we are getting them.
Agreed, I see things moving in the right direction.
I hate that in the past our players decided the style of football we played, because it meant we never progressed from the old style we had.
Their job is not to do what fans want, but to do what's right.
clean-sheet-culkin feels better about life
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Well, I'm already feeling better knowing there are a bunch of you lot who want to keep things positive here and, after rereading the whole thread so far, you've all done a great job on summing up everything I was feeling. So thank you!
I also really appreciate everybody doing their best to completely ignore the inevitable few negative comments. Let's keep that approach up.
Our collective positive story so far:
Early commercial signs are good
- Better transfer business.
- Better wage structures.
- Better structure.
- Better direction.
The squad and its network is improving
- Better new signing success rate.
- Better manager.
- Better coaches.
- Better youth teams.
- Better culture.
- Better support.
There are plenty of on pitch improvements
- Better identity.
- Better tactics.
- Better effort.
- Better team play.
- Better defending.
- Better pressing.
- Better against bigger teams.
All is not lost!
- Still in the Europa league. Only team to not lose.
- Still in the FA Cup.
- Youth teams doing wonderfully.
- Relegation very unlikely.
Bonus
- Red Cafe members getting healthier via Amorim Squats.
It's clear the platform and foundation looks positive, so let's support that, keep the good vibes coming, and just because something has already been listed here doesn't mean you shouldn't pile on and add support for it.
Let's keep it up!
I also really appreciate everybody doing their best to completely ignore the inevitable few negative comments. Let's keep that approach up.
Our collective positive story so far:
Early commercial signs are good
- Better transfer business.
- Better wage structures.
- Better structure.
- Better direction.
The squad and its network is improving
- Better new signing success rate.
- Better manager.
- Better coaches.
- Better youth teams.
- Better culture.
- Better support.
There are plenty of on pitch improvements
- Better identity.
- Better tactics.
- Better effort.
- Better team play.
- Better defending.
- Better pressing.
- Better against bigger teams.
All is not lost!
- Still in the Europa league. Only team to not lose.
- Still in the FA Cup.
- Youth teams doing wonderfully.
- Relegation very unlikely.
Bonus
- Red Cafe members getting healthier via Amorim Squats.
It's clear the platform and foundation looks positive, so let's support that, keep the good vibes coming, and just because something has already been listed here doesn't mean you shouldn't pile on and add support for it.
Let's keep it up!
My biggest positive at this stage of the season is at least we can't get much worse than we currently are and I don't think we'll get relegated, as it's looking like we'll settle around 14th-16th.
Good times.
Good times.
Oh, and I can't believe I've never spotted this before, but I also just discovered you can opt to ignore highly negative threads, thereby removing them from your view.
Let the curation begin!
Let the curation begin!