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New legislation called the Online Safety Act (OSA) is coming into effect in the UK on 17 March 2025 and this site falls within its purview. The OSA introduces various regulations to enhance online safety, particularly for children. It mandates that sites with user-to-user messaging implement measures to mitigate and swiftly remove illegal content.

Specifically, the OSA defines illegal content in these categories:
  • Terrorism:
    Content that promotes or facilitates terrorist activities or extremist ideologies, including propaganda that supports proscribed terrorist groups.

  • Child Sexual Exploitation and Abuse (CSEA):
    Content that exploits or harms minors. More specifically:
    • Grooming:
      Activities aimed at building inappropriate, predatory relationships with minors.

    • Image-based Child Sexual Abuse Material (CSAM):
      Visual depictions that involve the sexual abuse of minors.

    • CSAM URLs:
      Links to websites hosting material that depicts the sexual abuse of minors.

  • Hate Speech:
    Content that incites hatred or prejudice against individuals or groups based on protected characteristics such as race, religion, gender, or sexual orientation.

  • Harassment, Stalking, Threats, and Abuse:
    Persistent or severe abusive behaviour intended to intimidate, threaten, or harm others.

  • Controlling or Coercive Behaviour:
    Actions or communications aimed at dominating or controlling another individual, often through relentless monitoring or abuse.

  • Intimate Image Abuse:
    Non-consensual sharing or threats to share private or intimate images or videos of an individual.

  • Extreme Pornography:
    Material that depicts severe sexual violence or extreme acts of sexual aggression.

  • Sexual Exploitation of Adults:
    Content involving the exploitation or coercion of adults in sexual contexts, including coercion in sex work or trafficking contexts.

  • Human Trafficking:
    Activities that facilitate the trafficking of individuals for exploitation, including modern slavery.

  • Unlawful Immigration:
    Content that supports or facilitates unauthorised immigration, often linked to the activities of people smugglers.

  • Fraud and Financial Services Offences:
    Content that deceives or misleads people for financial gain, including scams and false investment schemes.

  • Proceeds of Crime:
    Activities involving funds or assets obtained through criminal means, including money laundering.

  • Drugs and Psychoactive Substances:
    Promotion or facilitation of the sale or use of illegal drugs.

  • Firearms, Knives, and Other Weapons:
    Content that facilitates the sale, marketing, or distribution of illegal weapons.

  • Encouraging or Assisting Suicide (or Attempted Suicide):
    Content that encourages or helps someone to take their own life, even if the intent is disguised as support.

  • Foreign Interference Offence:
    Content aimed at manipulating public opinion or political processes on behalf of a foreign power.

  • Animal Cruelty:
    Material that depicts or promotes harm or abuse toward animals.
In terms of the impact on this site, we have conducted a risk self-assessment for all those categories as per the requirements of the OSA. Based on that assessment, our existing rules and moderation policies mean the site is well placed to remain compliant with the new legislation. The mod team are aware of the new legislation and for the most part it's a case of keep doing what we're doing.

That being said, the following changes will be necessary:

1. Disable private messaging for Newbie members

This is to reduce the risk of new joiners using this forum to conduct illegal activity via that feature. Private messaging ("Conversations") will become available when a Newbie reaches Full Member status.

The exception is that Moderators can still send private messages to Newbies for the purposes of moderating the site effectively. If you're a Newbie and need to communicate privately with a Mod you can request to do so in two ways:
  • make a normal thread post tagging a Mod and asking them to private message you
  • make a post on a Mod's profile asking them to private message you
A Mod will then contact you directly.

2. Option to disable media embedding in threads

The mod team may decide to prevent embedding images and media in specific threads (most likely Current Event forum threads) if we feel it is contributing to discussions becoming inflammatory and skirting what is allowed by the OSA.

3. Updated terms and rules

Our terms and rules will be updated to reflect the new legislation. When those new terms are published you will prompted to review and accept them in order to continue using the site.

These changes will come into effect on or before 17 March.

What you need to do

As long as you're not posting content that falls into the categories listed above, this new legislation shouldn't have any impact on how you use this site.

If you see any content that you suspect falls into any of the illegal content categories, please use the Report function to bring it to the attention of the Mods so we can deal with it quickly.

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I'm happy to answer any questions or concerns you may have in this thread, or feel free to reach out to me via private message.

It's a brave new regulated Internet world. Go forth and don't break the law!
 
"Drugs and Psychoactive Substances:
Promotion or facilitation of the sale or use of illegal drugs."

Couldn't any fall foul of this regarding the use of drugs? Anyone saying they smoke weed could be breaking the rules.
 
"religion what's the point" thread lock incoming.

And good riddance at that.
 
I thought this site is Irish?

Will sites like this attempt to comply with all laws in all major markets in the long run? I appreciate this is a decision forced on the powers that be by the world developing around us, but I'm not really sure how it can work if all major countries introduce their own laws and forums need/want to keep up with all instead of just the laws that apply to them because of their base.
 
I thought this site is Irish?

Will sites like this attempt to comply with all laws in all major markets in the long run? I appreciate this is a decision forced on the powers that be by the world developing around us, but I'm not really sure how it can work if all major countries introduce their own laws and forums need/want to keep up with all instead of just the laws that apply to them because of their base.
Wouldn't most of those laws apply in Ireland anyway?
 
I thought this site is Irish?

Will sites like this attempt to comply with all laws in all major markets in the long run? I appreciate this is a decision forced on the powers that be by the world developing around us, but I'm not really sure how it can work if all major countries introduce their own laws and forums need/want to keep up with all instead of just the laws that apply to them because of their base.
The owner is Irish, the site isn't.

The Act applies to services even if the companies providing them are outside the UK should they have links to the UK. This includes if the service has a significant number of UK users, if the UK is a target market, or it is capable of being accessed by UK users and there is a material risk of significant harm to such users.

So pretty much every website has to either act, or do what they did with GDPR and just block access to people accessing from the region with the law.
 
Folks, let’s try and direct serious questions or any points needing clarification towards @Niall when you have him.

We don’t want people saying “I didn’t know” when we have to close a thread or delete posts. This is your chance to query anything you’re unsure about
 
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"Drugs and Psychoactive Substances:
Promotion or facilitation of the sale or use of illegal drugs."

Couldn't any fall foul of this regarding the use of drugs? Anyone saying they smoke weed could be breaking the rules.
Simply stating that you are smoking weed is not the same as promoting drugs, just as little as admitting that you once broke any other law is the same as suggesting that others should do the same. Let's not get silly now.
 
Simply stating that you are smoking weed is not the same as promoting drugs, just as little as admitting that you once broke any other law is the same as suggesting that others should do the same. Let's not get silly now.
Can we not discuss the medical benefits of cannabis then?
 
Simply stating that you are smoking weed is not the same as promoting drugs, just as little as admitting that you once broke any other law is the same as suggesting that others should do the same. Let's not get silly now.
The wording is vague though. The UK's strange and hypocritical relationship with weed is for another thread.
 
Can we not discuss the medical benefits of cannabis then?

Promoting effectively means marketing i.e. a key part of dealing. Discussing scientific evidence or medical marijuana (legal) or even saying you enjoy smoking it wouldn't count as promotion I don't think.
 
@Niall

I have a comment on the OSA inclusion of

Hate Speech:
Content that incites hatred or prejudice against individuals or groups based on protected characteristics such as race, religion, gender, or sexual orientation.


According to https://www.gov.uk/discrimination-your-rights:

It is against the law to discriminate against anyone because of:
  • age
  • gender reassignment
  • being married or in a civil partnership
  • being pregnant or on maternity leave
  • disability
  • race including colour, nationality, ethnic or national origin
  • religion or belief
  • sex
  • sexual orientation
These are called ‘protected characteristics’.


I have noticed for some time that the caf in general is already very hot on picking up discrimination on many of those characteristics, and rightly so, but not age, and is often quite rife with ageist comments. Just one for the mod team to think about.
 
Is there anything that common sense doesn't already prohibit being mentioned here?

What's new? I've never been anywhere near any of this stuff and it's rare that you even see it and when you do it doesn't last long.
 
discriminate
A lot of heavy lifting. I wouldn't worry about it unless you are actively harassing someone or something.

I.e., how could you discriminate in an exchange of ideas. It's a high threshold on an internet forum.

Unless you're either insane or racist.
 
Is there anything that common sense doesn't already prohibit being mentioned here?

What's new? I've never been anywhere near any of this stuff and it's rare that you even see it and when you do it doesn't last long.
Pretty much no. The way the site has been modded up until now means that we should be fine on all fronts but this is coming in and it's better everyone is aware in case things do have to slightly change.
 
The owner is Irish, the site isn't.



So pretty much every website has to either act, or do what they did with GDPR and just block access to people accessing from the region with the law.
Alright, thanks for the info.

As a non brit I will continue with my ways of not doing these things because of who I am but I'm not sure I'll pay any attention to what the House of Commons and House of Lords come up with next. I don't even visit the UK regularly anymore these days. Brexit means brexit.

In 10 years we will learn that 99% of these initiatives are being run on the back of VPN lobby money anyway.
 
I have noticed for some time that the caf in general is already very hot on picking up discrimination on many of those characteristics, and rightly so, but not age, and is often quite rife with ageist comments. Just one for the mod team to think about.
Good point.
 
I thought this site is Irish?

Will sites like this attempt to comply with all laws in all major markets in the long run? I appreciate this is a decision forced on the powers that be by the world developing around us, but I'm not really sure how it can work if all major countries introduce their own laws and forums need/want to keep up with all instead of just the laws that apply to them because of their base.
UK hosted.
 
Content that promotes or facilitates terrorist activities or extremist ideologies, including propaganda that supports proscribed terrorist groups.
They mean stuff like Hezbollah. I do not consider them terrorists and do not care if the UK does. Irish law doesn't. Their military wing is by the EU. But there is the non-military wing. Anyway, it's just not all nations agree on many of these issues outside ones where most nations say "terrorist".

I also don't particularly ever mention them so it's not going to be an issue but this is overreach and they've been at it for a while. They're bastards in all honesty. It's more the sites and monetization which is the lever they'd use if it were politically expedient for them to do so, not the person commenting because you cannot win that case in almost every instance in UK law (unless it's some outlier thing).

Disingenuous stuff.

Not hard to comply with UK law here and I wouldn't test it (not that I'd care, it's just the site would be at risk and no point of that) but you'd have to be mental (mentally ill) to not understand how to not fall foul of this stuff. Or maybe inexperienced or naive.