Never took you for a trumpy
The Trump Presidency - Part 2
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Drain the swamp?
How the Trump family took over a crypto firm as it raised hundreds of millions
How the Trump family took over a crypto firm as it raised hundreds of millions
https://www.reuters.com/business/fi...ncial-it-raised-hundreds-millions-2025-03-31/
My argument was never about trump being better though.
I'll bet my house you've never read a positive post from me about trump.
The main narrative about the election should be that Biden’s insane arrogance forced the Democrats to run an unimpressive candidate with some bad baggage, who only got a few months to campaign.
Trump golfed with the Finnish president just before calling that journalist to slate Putin. Well done, Finnish president!
There’s a very ugly blame game going on from mainstream democrats who’d rather be right than acknowledge the truth - that the DNC has paved the way for Trump or someone like him since the early 90’s. By blind near-religious belief in the free market and deregulation they’ve willingly contributed to continue Reagan’s course from a welfare state to a deeply divided, raw and brutal society with next to zero chance for anyone growing up in less than privileged families to realise the mythical American dream. If you and your family have been struggling with unemployment and poverty for decades and no hope for the future, it’s very logical to vote for the man promising change - even if you don’t like him.
The DNC and their supporters need to get over their cognitive dissonance and realise that the last decades (apart from a few progressive steps forward like the ACA) have been a massive political miscalculation. The good news for the Democrats is that Trump is probably ruining the lives for so many voters while enriching his billionaire friends that in four years there will be a clear choice between a president for the oligarchs (Vance) and a president for the common people - if the Democrats have the guts to make a strategic u-turn and elect a true economically progressive candidate (who’s not a hundred years old and can’t remember what he’s achieved).
There’s a very ugly blame game going on from mainstream democrats who’d rather be right than acknowledge the truth - that the DNC has paved the way for Trump or someone like him since the early 90’s. By blind near-religious belief in the free market and deregulation they’ve willingly contributed to continue Reagan’s course from a welfare state to a deeply divided, raw and brutal society with next to zero chance for anyone growing up in less than privileged families to realise the mythical American dream. If you and your family have been struggling with unemployment and poverty for decades and no hope for the future, it’s very logical to vote for the man promising change - even if you don’t like him.
The DNC and their supporters need to get over their cognitive dissonance and realise that the last decades (apart from a few progressive steps forward like the ACA) have been a massive political miscalculation. The good news for the Democrats is that Trump is probably ruining the lives for so many voters while enriching his billionaire friends that in four years there will be a clear choice between a president for the oligarchs (Vance) and a president for the common people - if the Democrats have the guts to make a strategic u-turn and elect a true economically progressive candidate (who’s not a hundred years old and can’t remember what he’s achieved).
I’ll take your word for it.
In terms of making money, being president is the ultimate grift. Unbelievable that folks will still stick by him as they get poorer
You didn't need to, your consistent take was that voting for Harris was votibg for a genocide, in a 2 horse race that's a de facto endorsement of the opponent, plenty of posters told you that voting for Harris was the lesser of 2 evils but you wouldn't countenance that
That is fair enough.
I was more focussing on his words.
Quite how anyone would seriously say that Putin is going to be good.
Putin didn't get where he is by being good.
Quite the opposite in fact.
fecked up thing about all this is is that he makes a lot of people very wealthy, including his entire family, over the backs of every taxpayer in this country and once again the own the libs people are actually cheering it on or flat out ignoring it. This is exactly what they claim the Dems do. This also ensures big money influencing politics will be and will increasingly be a massive problem for this country.
I will accept that argument if you accept that you personally endorse genocide because you voted for harris. Are you willing to do that? Do you think it makes sense?
Personally I can hate two genocidal scumbags at the same time.
When both candidates stand for genocide, how is voting for one an endorsement of it?
The same way not voting for one is an endorsement of the other.
My point is that both are ridiculous accusations to throw.
Are you happier with the state of the country (and the world for that matter) right now than you think you would have been under a Harris presidency?
Of course not.
'They both do it so it doesn't count' is not a logic that holds up very well, if the two candidates claimed they were child rapists and would continue the rapes throughout their presidency nobody would be expected to vote for them because of harm mitigation or anything like that.
I dunno, I remember people in the election thread saying they had no red lines as long as trump was on the other side.
Next question. Has what happened since Trump took over come as a complete surprise to you?
To make that analogy work, one of them would have to continue to rape children and spend their weekends queer-bashing and lynching black people. Assuming both parties rape the exact same number of children then you’d be morally bankrupt to not vote for the other candidate.
It’s a shitty analogy, obviously, but the right thing to do was so fecking obvious whichever way you spin it.
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we do this about every two weeks now
The passiveness of americans.
Wow, bold... you'd be morally bankrupt if you didn't vote for the rapist.
Every time it happens, take note of which side does it.
Which was as predictable as the result of not voting, which is why people struggle to understand it.
I get the moral dilemma, but the choice was binary.
Not voting was also a choice. People have all sorts of moral red lines.
I don't know why you find analogies so difficult.
In reality, neither candidate is raping children.
Although one of them really is a rapist.
Replace rape with genocide and it's not an analogy anymore.
You believe I am morally bankrupt for not voting for a genocide supporter.
That I struggle with.
I don't agree but that's OK. Different systems of morality and all. On a broader level you have to understand that this kind of rhetorical position is not only unpersuasive, it is actively repellent to many people.
Then you should have hoped for a Harris win. Doesn't matter of course, but it was completely ridiculous the whole thing.
Once again, I used morally bankrupt in an analogy. You’re not even American anyway, right? So even in the analogy I’m not accusing you of anything.
Anyway, I’m not accusing anyone who could have voted against Trump and chose not to despite being morally opposed to his politics and what he stands for - of being morally bankrupt. I do think it was an incredibly naive and short-sighted thing to do though.
And it’s annoying that none of this is being wise with hindsight. It was so fecking predictable.
https://www.mediaite.com/tv/yale-fa...efore-trump-starts-pulling-peoples-passports/
I can see why people found it so hard to make decisions when the first wave of fascism came about. This sounds crazy, but is it really? Someone that spends their entire life in this academic specialisation is this concerned. Could he be wrong, sure. But what if he isn't?
I didn't vote for Harris nor did I vote for Trump
I saw similar concern in a segment on msnbc last week about the possibility of civil war.
Not to mention that it was always 100% obvious that Trump would be even worse for Palestinians. Trump loves a low bar that he couldn't reach, even if he gave a big enough feck to try.
He's been talking about this more and more over the last couple of weeks. Surely there isn't even the remotest chance this could happen, is there?
He's been talking about this more and more over the last couple of weeks. Surely there isn't even the remotest chance this could happen, is there?
Probably not, but it’s great fuel for the “obscure the evil shit we’re doing with manufactured outrage” machine.
This is about the fourth or fifth time he's come out with something like this in the last few weeks. I think the debate over his health must be over now? He's clearly going down the same road Biden did, the worrying part is the thought of Vance gaining more and more control the worse Trump gets.
Meanwhile the damage to people's lives is continuing to mount up. How on earth can this be allowed to continue to happen? Of course now he's accused of being a member of MS-13 and of course the report is fake news and the reporter was making it up. Honestly, I can't see how the US can ever get back from this.
Meanwhile the damage to people's lives is continuing to mount up. How on earth can this be allowed to continue to happen? Of course now he's accused of being a member of MS-13 and of course the report is fake news and the reporter was making it up. Honestly, I can't see how the US can ever get back from this.
Not voting was included in my statement of the choice being binary. People not voting is always going to lead to the GOP candidate winning, they go to extreme lengths to try and stop people voting for this exact reason.