Telling Zack and Jaz he had the shield was pointless. It was actually a really good idea but now there's only 2 people who don't know.
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Technically four. He only told his traitor buddies in the evening murder meeting. So they'll obviously play dumb.
Question is has he raised any suspicion on Jaz/Zack? If he has, why the feck would he tell them. Further to the point, by claiming that he was attempted to be murdered he's given the faithful a 50% chance of killing a traitor as they'll have to go for the four that didn't know.
Question is has he raised any suspicion on Jaz/Zack? If he has, why the feck would he tell them. Further to the point, by claiming that he was attempted to be murdered he's given the faithful a 50% chance of killing a traitor as they'll have to go for the four that didn't know.
I imagine he told Zack and Jaz as he needs people to back him up when he reiterates he has a shield the next day. I don’t think Harry realises that Jaz is onto him.
He wouldn't. It was one of those moments where Paul dropped him in it without him knowing.
Critical thinking should really get Harry caught here.
Throughout the game and especially after he went for Paul a lot of the group had him as definitely faithful. The traitors had a free shot at him but pick a worse target. That's the Meg vs Paul murder all over again.
Now the traitors conveniently choose to go for him when there is a "hidden" shield in play? Any of the last group through the tunnel would've been a much better option for the traitors because the chances of them getting the shield would be a lot lower.
Of the people he told I think Jaz might not buy it, but Zack has got himself stuck on Jasmine so he might well. Mollie asked the right question but never looked for the most logical answer.
Would be funny if Ross brought him down, allowing a potential recruitment the day before was bad enough but with these numbers...
Throughout the game and especially after he went for Paul a lot of the group had him as definitely faithful. The traitors had a free shot at him but pick a worse target. That's the Meg vs Paul murder all over again.
Now the traitors conveniently choose to go for him when there is a "hidden" shield in play? Any of the last group through the tunnel would've been a much better option for the traitors because the chances of them getting the shield would be a lot lower.
Of the people he told I think Jaz might not buy it, but Zack has got himself stuck on Jasmine so he might well. Mollie asked the right question but never looked for the most logical answer.
Would be funny if Ross brought him down, allowing a potential recruitment the day before was bad enough but with these numbers...
I'm starting to suspect the producers are convincing faithfuls who get a recruitment invitation that they'll be killed if the don't accept. Both Andrew and Ross were not having it at first, but then suddenly did a 180
Possibly but the previous year was an indication of what happens if you say no to the Traitors.
Had a quick check and last year the were quite explicit when it was be recruited or be killed.
It might be more that they think they're probably likely to be killed the next evening and want to stay in the game.
Don’t think so? Last year Alex refused and wasn’t killed, but eventually they did murder her.
Man Paul annoys me so much. I hope Harry uses him for his own gain and then throws him under the bus when it’s convenient
Also this season’s faithfuls seem to be a bit more switched on than previous seasons. Zack has basically made him impossible to murder because he’s been so outspokenly anti Paul.
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Sorry yeah, probably wasn't that clear.
I meant if it was a case of accept the recruitment or die then they were told that straight up. It happened with Kieran, whereas like you say with Alex she could turn it down without immediate consequences
Paul is gone. Yessss.
Yeah, both Paul and Harry momentously fecked up by being so eager to throw other traitors under the bus. Like there was no need to get rid of the Miles the way they did and once they did that, Harry had the awareness to plant seeds for Paul and struck at the perfect time. Massive problem for him is there's no way he would make it to the end realistically and so will be top of the banish list in the next day or two, which I guess is why he's gone all-out on this recruit plan while having shield, which, I have to hand it to him is a great idea. He did feck up with his reasoning for Diane to Ross and I believe will be the downfall of all of the traitors as Ross will look to get rid of Harry, they'll all turn on each other again and we might have another Kieran moment. So I reckon faithful will win this despite the numbers.
Paul and Harry focused on looking the best faithful they can to the other faithfuls by putting suspicion on traitors and banishing them but really didn't think about the murdering side of things, that if they were so good at being faithful, there's no way traitors wouldn't murder them.
Paul and Harry focused on looking the best faithful they can to the other faithfuls by putting suspicion on traitors and banishing them but really didn't think about the murdering side of things, that if they were so good at being faithful, there's no way traitors wouldn't murder them.
I echo this. Very funny reactions. I think uncloaked in general is a decent watch. A lot depends on the guests, though.I’d advise anyone who hasn’t seen it to watch the scene in Uncloaked on iPlayer where Anthony finds out who the traitors are. His reactions are amazing
Paul is a great villain.
I'll hold me hands up there. I thought for sure Zack and Jaz were both goners, but both survived! I don't know what Harry and Andrew were thinking by letting Zack live. It was the perfect opportunity to kill of the joint best faithful. I also have no idea what Harry is thinking by revealing he'd won a shield to Zack and Jaz only. Does he recognise that they're the best two and is using that to win their trust?
Also, Ross
Also, Ross
The problem is that it'll almost certainly get discussed, you only need 1 person to say they knew and then everyone else joins in saying 'me too'. It just seemed unnecessary to tell anyone else, there's no real benefit to it but it could go massively wrong. Even letting Ross know which didn't need to happen when you plan on throwing him under the bus.
I think this combination of shield/recruitment will lead to Harry's downfall now. Letting so many people know about the shield was a mistake, and Ross is just bad luck with obviously not realising he's seeking revenge for Diane.
Ross should be able to realise Andrew isn't overly comfortable with the role. If they team up they can boot Harry out and have a great chance of splitting the money.
Ross should be able to realise Andrew isn't overly comfortable with the role. If they team up they can boot Harry out and have a great chance of splitting the money.
If the faithfuls win I hope it’s one of Zack or Jaz but I highly doubt they get to the end. It’ll be someone like Evie who reaches the final.
Zack is playing it the best imo. He can get on people’s nerves but you need someone like that who is always probing. He’s also very logical in his theories and reasoning.
Jaz has very good instincts but is quite poor at convincing others or making his argument well enough at the table.
Zack is playing it the best imo. He can get on people’s nerves but you need someone like that who is always probing. He’s also very logical in his theories and reasoning.
Jaz has very good instincts but is quite poor at convincing others or making his argument well enough at the table.
I'm not even watching tonight. I'm gonna save it and tomorrow's to binge on Friday with the final.
Why the feck did Welsh dude let on he knew harry had a shield? Slip up?
Because if he doesn't know he's a candidate for being a traitor if we're aiming that a traitor would never try to murder someone they know has a shield.
No it makes it to the likes of Zack etc who are convinced Harry is a faithful now that he isn't a traitor. Ross fecked up and should have said he knew straight away
Jaz is getting murdered today.
Get Zack out, he’s far too smug.
Poor Ross has been made a total mug
Andrew has really messed up there.
Zack really is an idiot. "You're being desperate", no fecking shit. Everyone would be no matter the allegiance.
Poor Ross has been made a total mug
Absolute joke of a player
Also...
If these idiots think that the Traitors killed Harry. Then how the feck is Andrew a Traitor it contradicts the entire theory you Muppets.
These faithfuls are very dim… how they just ate up that shield story was bizarre. As if Harry would tell 4 people about the shield if he was a faithful. They have no critical thinking whatsoever.
I reckon even if they turn on Andrew tomorrow, they won’t click that it means Harry must be a traitor since Andrew said at breakfast that Harry had told him about the shield.
I reckon even if they turn on Andrew tomorrow, they won’t click that it means Harry must be a traitor since Andrew said at breakfast that Harry had told him about the shield.
That's the problem with them, the only one who actually thinks is Jaz and he doesn't seem to be able to convince anyone on any of his theories. They all just go "nah, that player is a 100% faithful". Hilariously dim. You'd think as a faithful you would listen and discuss all outcomes. Brainstorm every scenario out. It's honestly like these people didn't watch the previous season.
Jaz will be murdered tonight I reckon. No chance it will be Zack or Mollie both who are completely blind to Harry.
He's the best faithful when it comes to critical thinking but he tends to just go with the herd really. I think he is trying to avoid suspecting Harry openly to avoid being murdered but its too late now.
Harry has this in the bag
Agreed.
Think Harry has a clear run to the final now. Also think he’ll likely kill Jaz. He can easily pin how mad Ross got at Andrew as two traitors pissed at each other too but I do feel they all forget the benefit of voting together. Why risk not winning at all for slightly more money when you could vote in a group and essentially control the game and guarantee a win?
I absolutely despise recruitment - I get it (the show must go on), but if you're under heat already, it's a poisoned chalice.
And for whatever reason folks who know 100% that it's a bad idea feel like they can't refuse (and I think the producers have something to do with that)
And for whatever reason folks who know 100% that it's a bad idea feel like they can't refuse (and I think the producers have something to do with that)
That might've been the worst round table I've seen.
Zack's theory didn't even make any sense, he seemed to base it on the idea that the other players didn't know a shield was in play. They all knew!
Ross's defence was terrible. He knew Harry would sell him out and he knows Zack a faithful. Yet he tried to push Zack as a traitor to Zack as if he's going to convince him when his best hope was selling out the guy he can actually piece together a legitimate story for.
Zack's theory didn't even make any sense, he seemed to base it on the idea that the other players didn't know a shield was in play. They all knew!
Ross's defence was terrible. He knew Harry would sell him out and he knows Zack a faithful. Yet he tried to push Zack as a traitor to Zack as if he's going to convince him
when his best hope was selling out the guy he can actually piece together a legitimate story for.That might've been the worst round table I've seen.
Zack's theory didn't even make any sense, he seemed to base it on the idea that the other players didn't know a shield was in play. They all knew!
Ross's defence was terrible. He knew Harry would sell him out and he knows Zack a faithful. Yet he tried to push Zack as a traitor to Zack as if he's going to convince him
everyone knew a shield was in play, but not everyone knew Harry had it, so it does make sense that those who didn't know should be looked at as possible traitors.
When nobody has been murdered, the most obvious reason in that situation is that the traitors hit the person with the shield.
There are two more options. One that they mentioned but moved on from is that Harry is a traitor and there was a recruitment.
The other option was the one Ross threw out at the end - that a traitor knowing about the shield and murdering the shield-holder is a great way for a traitor to remove suspicion from themselves.
Ross going after Zack was a good enough move. He doesn't need to convince Zack, he needs to convince the others by spinning the narrative that he was very quick to use his knowledge of the shield to prove his innocence.
When nobody has been murdered, the most obvious reason in that situation is that the traitors hit the person with the shield.
There are two more options. One that they mentioned but moved on from is that Harry is a traitor and there was a recruitment.
The other option was the one Ross threw out at the end - that a traitor knowing about the shield and murdering the shield-holder is a great way for a traitor to remove suspicion from themselves.
Ross going after Zack was a good enough move. He doesn't need to convince Zack, he needs to convince the others by spinning the narrative that he was very quick to use his knowledge of the shield to prove his innocence.
It makes sense until you think about it.
If you're going to murder a player, why do you pick from a group of people where you know 1 of them has a shield when you have better options?
You're going from a guaranteed kill to a risky attempt.
It makes even less sense when their kill target from that group was wide open the night before. They just happen to target him at the moment he has a shield and he's left half the group know? That has to be questioned.
The 2nd and 3rd options are really the only viable ones.
The issue with Ross was that he wasn't really speaking to the others though. He had enough information to mount a proper defence and didn't act.
If you're going to murder a player, why do you pick from a group of people where you know 1 of them has a shield when you have better options?
You're going from a guaranteed kill to a risky attempt.
It makes even less sense when their kill target from that group was wide open the night before. They just happen to target him at the moment he has a shield and he's left half the group know? That has to be questioned.
The 2nd and 3rd options are really the only viable ones.
The issue with Ross was that he wasn't really speaking to the others though. He had enough information to mount a proper defence and didn't act.
Yeah the only issue Harry has is everything's gone a bit too smoothly for him. He succesfully outs Miles, nails Paul and says his dungeon plan in detail, the one time they attempt to kill him he has a shield (and predicts it to the two smartest people left in the game) and now he won't be killed the night after when he's no longer shielded? Makes no sense. If they look at Paul, they kept questioning why he was alive and they should be doing the same with Harry now really.
You've got three groups left really:
Popular, traitor hunter, everything gone perfect for them: Harry
Middle ground players who nobody has ever really suspected and won't be banished: Evie, Mollie, Andrew (might change for him now)
Players who are outspoken and argue with each other: Zack, Jaz, Jasmine
Someone like Mollie needs to actually think about why she's still in the game. If she's honest with herself she's not a threat, but she's quite obviously faithful and won't be banished. So why is she still alive? Who is she really close with that would want her alive to side with them?
Having said that I hope Harry at least gets to the final. He's done really well.