I think his creativity is somewhat overplayed in that it's quite limited to long balls and shots from distance - which he's good at, don't get me wrong. I don't think he's creative in the way a traidtionally "creative" CM would be - when you pair that to his positional deficiencies and his unimpressive workrate, not sure it's sustainable over a season.
The shocking decline of Trent Alexander Arnold
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I think he might go in the summer. One year left, he's won things at Liverpool and doesn't have anything left to prove there. If Madrid want him then I think he'll ask to go. Gives him the chance to win far more than what he could with us. Madrid guarantees trophies.
What makes you think they would be interested?
Where would he play for Madrid?
Why wouldn't they be? On the ball he's one of the most talented players around in terms of passing ability.
No idea, but I'd be surprised if they weren't interested.
He's just not that good though. There was a good analysis video of him done a while ago showing he fails quite a lot of his long balls, and the ones that succeed are all of the same type, his passing is quite limited overall. Not to mention his crap defending.
You truly believe TAA is one of the best passers in the game currently?
I think he's a very good passer and is clearly a very good player. He's lazy with his defending and hasn't been coached well in 1v1's, but this idea that he's a rubbish or average player is over the top.
What do you think about TAA? Rubbish player, average, good but not great?
I do?
I’m confused…
Gary Lineker and others said he was the greatest FB in the world.… some mix of Roberto Carlos and Cafu.
But there’s (quite a few) times he looks like a pub player after a session
Gary Lineker and others said he was the greatest FB in the world.… some mix of Roberto Carlos and Cafu.
But there’s (quite a few) times he looks like a pub player after a session
The media seem to treat English Liverpool players in a similar way.
Trent gets fawned over for passing yet he fires hundreds of long balls until one lands. Gerrard loved a Hollywood pass attempt too. The continuous barrage of failed passes go unnoticed and when one lands, the likes of Neville and Carragher drool over it.
Trent has good ability on the ball but it’s not the best in the league.
79% pass rate is good.
32% successful cross rate is okay.
Trent gets fawned over for passing yet he fires hundreds of long balls until one lands. Gerrard loved a Hollywood pass attempt too. The continuous barrage of failed passes go unnoticed and when one lands, the likes of Neville and Carragher drool over it.
Trent has good ability on the ball but it’s not the best in the league.
79% pass rate is good.
32% successful cross rate is okay.
I don't think he's rubbish or average. I think he's a very difficult player to evaluate because he's got some areas of his game that are very good but some seriously glaring issues in some basic components of the position - his positional awareness is genuinely poor, he has quite little tenacity, is not good 1v1, has a tendency to switch off, and honestly overall just comes across as quite lazy.
With regards to the debate about him being in CM and being a great passer - I definitely think he's miles off being one of the best passers of the game. He has little range to his passing, the only area that you'd say he's good at is his long passing and even that isn't as good as is sometimes made out, as @Hammondo pointed out. That anyone could believe he's "One of the most talented players around in terms of passing ability" is crazy to me honestly, there's so much to "passing" that I don't understand how that claim could be made - I'm not being funny or anything, I'm just genuinely baffled.
I believe overall he's a hard player to rate honestly, he's a bit of an unusual hybrid which has led to extremes in his evaluation. He can go from looking world class when everything is going his way and the team is super dominant, to Sunday league level. I also think he requires a lot of accommodating to get the best out of him, and I don't think his best is really worth that effort. I also don't believe he could actually play CM in the long term, as his starting position. He lacks too many tools to be useful. I'd also say he seems to lack top mentality which is a bit of an issue.
So I guess I'd go with "good but not great", but it's not even that straightforward. He's just a bit of a weird oddity.
About as weird as the crazy good press he gets, in my mind.
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I don't rate him. Kyle Walker, and Reece James (injuries permitting) are better than him. Walker has been the best RB in the league over the last 6-7 years.
Garbage defender who can whip in a decent ball.
He's clearly a gifted player that can be great in the right set-up, and when a team is functioning well. When the team is not firing, and when the midfield can't cover for him, he might cost you a goal or he might get you one. He becomes a lot less reliable, when he's "on his own".
The next Liverpool manager will have to figure out how to utilize him in the best way possible, because I don't think he will suddenly become a reliable defender.
The next Liverpool manager will have to figure out how to utilize him in the best way possible, because I don't think he will suddenly become a reliable defender.
Not sure how helpful the stats are. I mean De Bruyne has 73% success rate which puts him in the 'worst' 10% of midfielders. But to me both are arguably the best or thereabouts mid-to-long range passers in the league.
It is a little strange with this stat because I see FBREF give him 73%, but I also see Footystats, statmuse, and whoscored give him 83%. I do not know if FBREF are better or worse than the other 3.
Walker for me has been one of the best players in the league for ages. He’s ridiculously capable and consistent.
TAA is basically a RB version of Charlie Adam.
Walker is underrated.
He gets criticised for being quick and you hear people say he's an average player with world class pace.
The fact is he's got that attribute and it makes him a brilliant FB
Ben White not getting the love but he is a much better and much more well-rounded RB than Trent. He contributes well going forward, but is miles better as a defender.
Your post is far too concise and logical for me to offer a counter. Please try harder so that I may respond.
But yeah that's all fair. Defensively he has two major issues for me. One is his attitude which is nothing short of lazy at times. We saw it against Everton. Sometimes he can't be bothered, gets dribbled past and kind of gives up.
The other is what you point out in the first part of your post. Positionally (especially in 1v1's) he's awful. Makes it easy for the opponent to dribble past him.
I do think his delivery and ability on the ball is at a very high level.
How fecked is football when an active player in a top 5 league can buy an entire club in a different top 5 league.
So like, what happens when they play Liverpool?
That is fecking dodgy
Don’t think it’s as bad as the multi-club ownership.
I just want to throw in that this bloke is absolutely bobbins.
And this is on his current contract. Imagine who he’ll buy when he signs the extension with higher wages.
wtf? This can't be legal can it? His father being our old club secretary?
It was his uncle
Don't think he's putting much of his own earned money in it. Will be owned by his dad's fund, with Trent being the Boehly of it all.
Richard Arnold is his father? Can’t believe I never made that connection before.
Surely a good thing for a footballer to put his money back into the game instead of doing a Robbie Fowler and building a massive property portfolio (or what most of the rest of them do and squirrel away in offshore accounts)
He already invests in Alpine in F1.
Looking forward to the thread title change when he becomes part owner of United
Aren't you unhappy with your current owners?
I mean Trent is not even one of the best-earning players in England and Nantes is still a Ligue 1 team. It's plain ridiculous he can buy them. 140m euro is just laughable money for a club, if Real came knocking to Klopp few years back offering 140m euro for Trent he'd probably tell them to feck off
James Pearce has denied this so it isn't true.
Yes and no. In the main, I’m all for athletes using their money to grow sports and to reinvest in a way which brings more football people into football ownership structures. But you also have to factor in the integrity of the competition questions.
The same pitch has made to moderately wealthy people for the last decade or so. Buy a football in club in a second tier league, Nantes being a pretty good example. They have decent infrastructure, brand recognition and they have larger clubs in the league structure who will buy their players at inflated prices if they perform and a steady supply of players down the pyramid who they can be replaced with. The pathway to Europe isn’t an especially tough one and if clubs at that level can become fixtures in the CL in years 2-5, then the deal will basically have washed its own face by year 6 or 7. Maybe even earlier if they get in at the right price point. That’s why the dumb money bites on it. It’s a great pitch. It appeals to their greed and their egos. ‘I can crack the code of football.’
The reality is that every ownership model of that kind will need outside investment to take the next step. The player churn required at that level makes it impossible to avoid. And so, because they’re the kinds of people who allowed themselves to be pitched into buying a football club they didn’t know they wanted, most won’t have the expertise for that kind of market and they’ll have thrown back most of what they caught pretty soon after. And now you have a football club with a pretty diluted, disparate ownership, some of whom just want their money back, who are going back to market trying to sell the last lot of overpriced, under-performing footballers and buy the next lot. But now to market knows you’re trying to your way out of the hope you’re in and they’ll charge accordingly. Very, very few will ever avoid the pitfalls.
Good points, well made. Which feel particularly relevant with what’s happening at Dundalk right now.