The Road Trip Draft R1: Indnyc vs willhse456

Who will win this match based on all the players at their peaks?


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I don't know much about Nasazzi, seeing as he's going to primarily be in MvB's area, do you have any info on him and how he plays?
 
I don't know much about Nasazzi, seeing as he's going to primarily be in MvB's area, do you have any info on him and how he plays?

José Nasazzi - "El Gran Mariscal" ("The Great Marshal")

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The World Cup winning captain and defensive rock of first global super power in Football. To say Uruguay dominated the world of football in the 20s is an understatement, not only did they lifted the Jules Rimet trophy for the first time, they also were winners of Olympic tournaments in 1924 and 1928. FIFA recognize those two tournaments as the de-facto World Cup and that is the reason Uruguay are allowed to sport 4 stars on their jersey.

In 1924, the Uruguay team traveled to Paris to become the first South American team to compete in the Olympic Games. In contrast to the physical style of the European teams of the era, Uruguay played a style based around short passes. European and South American nations had never met in a competitive environment before the Paris Olympics of 1924, and as the only South American representatives little was known about the side managed by Ernesto Figoli and captained by 23-year-old legend-in-waiting José Nasazzi. Italy and Hungary were favorites, but it became rapidly apparent that the tournament's star attraction – and therefore the Games' biggest draw, because football had become vital to the coffers of the organising committee – were the mysterious visitors from a faraway southern land.

When Uruguay played their first game in the Olympic tournament of 1924 the people of Paris took little notice. A Sunday match between Italy and Spain at Stade de Colombes drew a crowd of 20,000. When Uruguay faced Yugoslavia at the same stadium a day later, on 26 May, only a few hundred turned up, unaware they were about to witness something very special.

Yugoslavia, having sent spies to watch a Uruguay training session, predicted an easy win and apologised in advance for sending the South Americans home after only one game. Uruguay beat them 7-0. They had learnt of the presence of the spies and deliberately misplaced their shots and passes in training. Three days later, Uruguay defeated the United States 3-0. A Spanish correspondent, Enrique Carcellach, wrote:

I have been watching football for 20 years and have never seen any team play with the mastery of this Uruguay team. I did not suspect football could be brought to this degree of virtuosity, this artistic limit. They were playing chess with the feet!

Italy's Gazzetta dello Sport wrote of Uruguay's "musical phrasing" on the pitch, of their "stylistic perfection". The editor ofL'Equipe, Gabriel Hanot, who had himself played at international level, said Uruguay's players were "like thoroughbreds next to farm horses" in comparison to north European players. Word quickly spread, and 45,000 people saw Uruguay trounce France 5-1 in the quarter-finals. In the semis there were nearly six times more spectators at Uruguay's tie than there were at the other tie.

Four years later, European sides were more alert to the dangers posed by South American opponents at the Amsterdam Games of 1928, but remained powerless to resist. Argentina made its entrance to the big stage, 17 countries participated (England boycotted 1924 and 1928 over allowing the entrance of semi-pros), 11 from Europe, Egypt, USA, Mexico, Chile, Argentina and the eventual champs, Uruguay. Uruguay and a highly offensive Argentina swept their way to the final, Uruguay winning the replay 2-1 after the first match had ended all square. Uruguay were back-to-back champions of the world – the three main stands of the Centenario Stadium in Montevideo are named the Colombes, Amsterdam and Olympic Stands, in memory of those triumphs.

The Olympic tournament would never again have the same status, and Uruguay would not feature in it again until London 2012, but no matter; in the summers of 1924 and 1928, world football gained its first true superpower. I'd say those four stars are more than justified.

Now its easy to be considered a legend by association with a great team, especially in the light of lack of footage available. But his record and the individual accolades he won are a testament to the fact that he was no mere cog, but was absolute bed rock on which Uruguay’s world conquering success was built on. He was declared the best player of tournament in World Cup 1930, to this day the only defender to have won this accolade. But that was no fluke as he also won the best player award in Copa America 1923 and 1935, while leading his team to victories. This award haul is probably unique in world football for a defender and I think he is one of the most successful NT player of all time.

He led his team to 7 international tournaments and won 6 of them, here’s Uruguay’s record with him -

CA before 3rd, with 1st, 1st, 1st, without 2nd, with 3rd, 1st, after 3rd

WC before -, with 1st, after -

OL before -, with 1st, 1st, after -

Could've won second World Cup 1934, but his country didn't want to participate.
 
Was just watching this video of Tigana vs Italy:



He pops up in wide areas of the pitch on plenty of occasions, and I am very confident of his ability to support Kalle at times.
 
That forward arrow on Djalma is hilarious.

It wasn't really needed considering Kalle can peel off wide from time to time transitioning to this. Montero and Djalma make it really easy on the eyes too.

---------------------Van Basten-------------------
----------------------Platini------------------Kalle
Cabrini-----Vidal------------Tigana----------------
---------------------Cerezo-----------------------
------Montero-------Rio---------Djalma----------
 
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Went with Indnyc in the end, although it was close. I don't trust Montero as a cover for Cabrini against Best, I think this is what decided it for me. Hard to look past will's front trio though, it would be a hell of a game with lots of goals.
 
Was just watching this video of Tigana vs Italy:



He pops up in wide areas of the pitch on plenty of occasions, and I am very confident of his ability to support Kalle at times.


Thanks for the video. He does pop up out wide a bit but not enough for what I'd want in a diamond without a proper attacking full-back. The lack of width on the right (and hence variety) will make it easier for indnyc to defend against you.
 
That forward arrow on Djalma is hilarious.

It wasn't really needed considering Kalle can peel off wide from time to time transitioning to this. Montero and Djalma make it really easy on the eyes too.

---------------------Van Basten-------------------
----------------------Platini------------------Kalle
Cabrini-----Vidal------------Tigana----------------
---------------------Cerezo-----------------------
------Montero-------Rio---------Djalma----------

That's exactly what I was planning :nervous:

In all seriousness, I didn't think of that but I wish I did because that looks pretty balanced in attack.
 
Don't think Kalle is the type of player you want shuttling back and forth on the wing by himself.
Yeah. He likes to drift here but ideally he should have freedom to roam all around without needless responsibility. Ideally I'd have a young, pre-injury Schuster there to recreate their partnership from 1980.
 
Went with Indnyc in the end, although it was close. I don't trust Montero as a cover for Cabrini against Best, I think this is what decided it for me. Hard to look past will's front trio though, it would be a hell of a game with lots of goals.
Yeah, feel the same. Although switching them might fix the issue at an extend? Ferdinand covering for Cabrini on one flank and Tigana helping Djalma in the defensive phase on the other?
 
Yeah, feel the same. Although switching them might fix the issue at an extend? Ferdinand covering for Cabrini on one flank and Tigana helping Djalma in the defensive phase on the other?
Yeah, I think Ferdinand would've been a better fit although it's understandable why Montero's default position was on the left — considering that he played a lot as a left back and on the left of a back three.
 
Yeah, feel the same. Although switching them might fix the issue at an extend? Ferdinand covering for Cabrini on one flank and Tigana helping Djalma in the defensive phase on the other?
Yeah Rio's a nice fit there for that job and Montero would work well in the middle IMO with his leadership and reading of the game.
 
Yeah, I think Ferdinand would've been a better fit although it's understandable why Montero's default position was on the left — considering that he played a lot as a left back and on the left of a back three.

Yeah, I did consider that, but then I thought a few would complain about Montero being on the right, as seen with the Keane/Cambiasso issue on the previous page.
 
Yeah, I did consider that, but then I thought a few would complain about Montero being on the right, as seen with the Keane/Cambiasso issue on the previous page.
I was ready with my arguments on why Montero is a bad fit on the right :)
 
@willhse456 great drafting and unfortunate to lose early

Well done, you have a great team. Perhaps if it wasn't a United forum it would have been closer.

Initially I was planning on doing a 4-2-2-2, or a 4-2-3-1 with Cubillas instead of Vidal, so it would be interesting to see how that would have been perceived in comparison.
 
Well done, you have a great team. Perhaps if it wasn't a United forum it would have been closer.

Initially I was planning on doing a 4-2-2-2, or a 4-2-3-1 with Cubillas instead of Vidal, so it would be interesting to see how that would have been perceived in comparison.
Yeah I wasn’t sure how you were going to incorporate Cubillas and Platini..

You did need a more adventurous full back than Djalma to make it work.. Cabrini was perfect on the other side
 
Well done, you have a great team. Perhaps if it wasn't a United forum it would have been closer.

Initially I was planning on doing a 4-2-2-2, or a 4-2-3-1 with Cubillas instead of Vidal, so it would be interesting to see how that would have been perceived in comparison.
Yeah, thought you might have done this:

Van Basten
.............Cubillas - Platini .......Rummenigge
Cabrini....... Cerezo - Tigana....................
Ferdinand - Montero - Djalma​

Something between a 4231 and a mista.
 
Another thing I like about Giggs and Sir Bobby, they worked their asses off for a skillful player. Even Sir Bobby was once given a job to man mark the Kaiser. I can't imagine the like of Hazard or Messi would be willing and able to do that.
 
Another thing I like about Giggs and Sir Bobby, they worked their asses off for a skillful player. Even Sir Bobby was once given a job to man mark the Kaiser. I can't imagine the like of Hazard or Messi would be willing and able to do that.
Absolutely.. Giggs, Law and Charlton will all work hard allowing creative freedom to Best
 
Initially I was planning on doing a 4-2-2-2, or a 4-2-3-1 with Cubillas instead of Vidal, so it would be interesting to see how that would have been perceived in comparison.

Nah, I think you went the right way. With two direct players in MvB and Kalle, don't think there was a need for another in Cubillas.
Apart from the choice of RB, I thought that lineup was absolute class.

While there is no denying that Best against Montero cost you votes, I thought the midfields were very uneven.
It already looked a 4 vs 3 (sure Giggs can add up but that reduces his attacking impact), but more importantly, it wasn't just Platini that had to be contended with.
Both Tigana and Vidal would have been really dangerous in attack and that would have been too much for Roy to handle. Cambiasso sticks out like a sore thumb here and for me, it was as big a mismatch as Best vs Montero.

Pretty close, and with someone even like Jorginho at RB, it would have been a draw in my eyes.
 
Nah, I think you went the right way. With two direct players in MvB and Kalle, don't think there was a need for another in Cubillas.
Apart from the choice of RB, I thought that lineup was absolute class.

While there is no denying that Best against Montero cost you votes, I thought the midfields were very uneven.
It already looked a 4 vs 3 (sure Giggs can add up but that reduces his attacking impact), but more importantly, it wasn't just Platini that had to be contended with.
Both Tigana and Vidal would have been really dangerous in attack and that would have been too much for Roy to handle. Cambiasso sticks out like a sore thumb here and for me, it was as big a mismatch as Best vs Montero.

Pretty close, and with someone even like Jorginho at RB, it would have been a draw in my eyes.

Maybe I overrate Cambiasso a bit but he’s definitely deserving to be here.. I had a choice between him and Simione/Veron for my last pick and felt he fit better

Jorginho vs Giggs would be seen as a mismatch too.. Amoros or someone similar would make it a draw..
 
Wow, two outstanding teams....but Platini will run this game. Platini, MvB, Kalle is just plain juicy. Hard to say...but they are better than the Trinity as a attack.

I seem to be in a contrarian mood today. Cambiasso and Keane need to be swapped, but apart from that, what's there not to love Indnyc team. Such a shame, this match up .
 
Wow, two outstanding teams....but Platini will run this game. Platini, MvB, Kalle is just plain juicy. Hard to say...but they are better than the Trinity as a attack.

I seem to be in a contrarian mood today. Cambiasso and Keane need to be swapped, but apart from that, what's there not to love Indnyc team. Such a shame, this match up .

Thanks.. The only reason to keep Cambiasso on the right was because of his partnership with Maicon for Inter.. Didn’t make sense to break that up