The Red Viper vs Crappy @Barbados

Who will win the ODI?


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Welcome to Day 6 of the ODI snake draft round of 16. Some basic rules to consider while voting:

1) Judge players only on the basis of their ODI records.
2) Base your vote on which team you think is more likely to win an ODI between the two.
3) The ground for the match serves only as a representative of the overall playing conditions of its country.
4) The poll will remain open for 24 hours after creation.

TRV has won the toss and has chosen to bat first.

The XIs:

@The Red Viper : 1.Desmond Haynes 2.Marcus Trescothick 3.Greg Chappel (6) 4. Mike Hussey 5. Ranatunga 6. Mushfiqur Rahim 7. Klusener(5) 8. Pollock(2) 9. Vettori (4) 10. Srinath (3) 11. Willis (1)

@crappycraperson : 1. Greame Smith 2. Saaed Anwar 3. Jacques Kallis 4. Clive Llyod (*) 5. Carl Hooper 6. Brendon Taylor (+) 7. Chris Cairns 8. Ifran Pathan 9. Shane Warne 10. Damien Fleming 11. Shoaib Akhtar


Conditions:- Quick, but overall batsmen friendly. Reverse swing is a factor.
 
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The XI:-

1. Desmond Haynes 2. Marcus Trescothick 3. Greg Chappell 4. Michael Hussey 5. Arjuna Ranatunga 6. Mushfiqur Rahim 7. Lance Klusener 8. Shaun Pollock 9. Daniel Vettori 10. Javagal Srinath 11. Bob Willis.

The Tactics:-

THE TEAM

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The Batting Order:-

1. Desmond Haynes.
2. Marcus Trescothick.
3. Greg Chappell.
4. Michael Hussey.
5. Arjuna Ranatunga. [C]
6. Mushfiqur Rahim. []
7. Lance Klusener.
8. Shaun Pollock.
9. Daniel Vettori.
10. Javagal Srinath.
11. Bob Willis.

Opening the batting, we have one of the best ODI openers of all time in Desmond Haynes accompanying one of the most destructive ODI openers of the modern era in Marcus Trescothick. With the classic left hand-right hand duo, we will offer the opposition bowling attack something extra to worry about from the get go. We would have our batsmen playing their natural game so that we ensure we are ensuring they bat to their potential. So, we would have Trescothick attacking the bowling with Haynes looking to build the innings. Trescothick's attacking style would complement with Haynes really well.

At one down, we have one of the finest batsmen to have graced the game of cricket in Greg Chappell. While he was a cnut of a coach, that shouldn't hinder the fact that during his playing days, he was and still is considered by many as the second best Australian batsman of all time after the great Don Bradman and often was toe to toe with Viv Richards when it came to stroke-play and scoring runs against quality attacks. At four, we have one of the best finishers of all time in Michael Hussey. Considered Australia's heir to Michael Bevan, Michael Hussey made a name for himself by applying the finishing touches to some wonderful starts given the Australian top order. Like Bevan, Hussey was a master at finding the gaps and keeping the scoreboard ticking, but he also had that extra gear where he could really accelerate when needed. At five, we have the legendary Sri Lankan captain and the man who would lead us, Arjuna Ranatunga. A fine batsman during his hey days, Ranatunga was a hard hitter with often the knack for hitting it big. His stroke-making ability would be essential in the middle overs. Though not the best runner between the wickets, Ranatunga mastered the art of finding the gaps and walking the singles. :D

The lower order comprises of batsmen with great stroke-making ability, both in terms of quality as well as depth. Starting the deep lower order is Mushfiqur Rahim who time and again shown for Bangladesh that he can not only bring some stability in the middle-order but also at the same time, he can go big if needed. We then have one of the most destructive batsman of all time, Lance Klusener. Zulu was a master at accelerating the run-rate and with his ability to clear the ropes at will, he would be essential for us to post a big total. Very few batsmen have savaged bowling attacks like peak-Zulu did circa 1999. He would also have support from his South African teammate, Shaun Pollock, who was quite a good batsman on his day and like Zulu helped South Africa post/chase down some big totals. After the South African duo, we have Daniel Vettori coming to bat. Known for his all-round ability, Vettori provides us with another tailender who can bat well. We then have Javagal Srinath, who can be a decent pinch-hitter on his day and Bob Willis rounding off the tail.

All in all, the batting line-up is extremely balanced and has a very long tail. We have batsmen like Desmond Haynes, Greg Chappell and Michael Hussey who were masters at building an innings and big hitters like Marcus Trescothick, Lance Klusener, Arjuna Ranatunga and Shaun Pollock etc who could accelerate the run-rate and help us post a big total!

***IF
we are cruising well and have wickets in hand during after 2/3rd of the game, we would promote Shaun Pollock as a pinch-hitter to get us some quick runs and accelerate the run-rate. Shaun Pollock doesn't have to stay there for long. A quick 20 ball 30 would be quite helpful is providing us with some sort of momentum for the late overs to build-upon.

The Bowling:-

Shaun Pollock and Bob Willis would open the bowling for us. Shaun Pollock's line and length bowling would complement Bob Willis' fast and aggressive bowling really well. Great bowling attacks hunt in packs and in Pollock and Bob Willis, we have two excellent bowlers who could provide all sorts of problem to opposition batsmen with their variety. Javagal Srinath will be the first change bowler. The Barbados wicket would provide pace and bounce and some swing initially. Both Willis and Srinath were tall bowlers with a knack for good bouncers. The wicket would help them initially with the new ball and a bowler of Pollock's calibre and ability would be difficult to bat against on any kind of wicket.

In the middle orders, we would have Lance Klusener, Daniel Vettori and Greg Chappell share the bowling. Klusener and Vettori are the primary bowlers but Chappell would offer us with a couple of overs if needed as some of variety to the bowling attack. Vettori was an excellent ODI bowler because he was very economical and could really restrict the flow of the runs. He would help us build the pressure from one end with one of Klusener or Srinath looking to capitalize from the other end. When the ball starts to reverse, we would have Klusener and Srinath bowling and looking to capitalize on the reverse swing. Srinath was an excellent reverse swing bowler and with his action, he did the shiny side of the ball extremely well while Klusener with his variety in terms of off-cutters, leg-cutters and blockholes would be quite deadly with the old ball alongside Srinath.

During the death overs, we would have Pollock, Willis and Klusener in the bowling attack. Three different kinds of bowlers but all excellent at what they do. Pollock with his line and length bowling would be difficult to score against like he was through out his career, Willis would offer the raw pace and yorkers while Klusener would offer us his trademark off-cutters, leg-cutters, slow-deliveries and blockholes. This kind of variety in bowling attack would be a tough ask for any batting order to deal with and in Arjuna Ranatunga, we have one of the best ODI captains of all time who was great at rotating the bowling attacks and taking the best out of his bowlers.

FOR THIS MATCH SPECIFICALLY

Both our openers, Desmond Haynes and Marcus Trescothick have an excellent record in West Indies. Haynes has an average of 67.71 with a strike-rate of 78.01 which is amazing considering the era Haynes played in while Trescothick averages an equally impressive, if not more 66.75 at a strike-rate of 94.68. Considering their track record on these types of tracks, I expect them to provide us with a great start which would help us to give a great base to the innings for the middle-order to build upon and the lower order to accelerate the post a great total.

Bowling wise, we would to get a couple of early wickets when the new ball would be offering some sort of swing. Especially against Saeed Anwar who struggles in tracks which offer pace and bounce. Crappy has got a really side but there is one issue with his batting order. Cairns aside and to an extent Clive Lloyd, none of his batsmen are exactly big hitters. With him chasing, and us have some of the best ever economical bowlers of all time in Shaun Pollock, Bob Willis and Daniel Vettori, we would look to restrict the flow of runs. With an increasing run-rate and right field placing under Ranatunga, we can really put his middle-order under pressure and make them panic. Even Cairns who was a good hitter of the ball was hit and miss throughout his career. So, it gives us a good chance of winning the match as he doesn't have the chasers who would help him guide through what I expect to be a big chase for him.
 
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Team Crappy

1. Greame Smith - Avg 37.98, SR 80.81
2. Saaed Anwar - Avg 39.21, SR 80.67
3. Jacques Kallis - Bat : Avg 44.36, SR 72.89; Bowl: Avg 31.79, SR 39.3
4. Clive Llyod (*) - Avg 39.54, SR 81.22
5. Carl Hooper - Bat : Avg 35.34, SR 76.63; Bowl: Avg 36.05, SR 49.6
6. Brendon Taylor (+) - Avg 34.82, SR 74.47
7. Chris Cairns - Bat : Avg 29.46, SR 84.26; Bowl: Avg 32.8, SR 40.6
8. Ifran Pathan - Bat : Avg 23.39, SR 79.54; Bowl: Avg 29.72, SR 33.8
9. Shane Warne - Avg 25.73, SR 36.3
10. Damien Fleming - Avg 25.38, SR 34.4
11. Shoaib Akhtar - Avg 24.97, SR 31.4

Batting - Quality and depth combined

  • Anwar remains one of the best ODI openers of all time. Along with Smith, he forms a dangerous opening pair. Both are capable of scoring at a quick pace and build a big inning.
  • Batting is anchored by one of the the cricket's finest in Kallis. WI great Llyod follows him. Both will look to steady the innings during the middle phase. Their presence will also allow either opener, if present, to continue their attacking game.
  • Taylor proved his mettle in the last cricket WC with big knocks against likes of India, Pakistan and SA. His numbers are not just against weak teams, as designated keeper against the big nations (Ind, SA, WI, SRL, Oz, Eng, Pak, NZ) he averages a respectable 31.90.
  • Hooper and Cairns are the other 2 all rounders in the team. Both quintessential all rounders of late 90s era of cricket. Cairns especially will be the one to provide impetus later on or finish the innings.
  • Pathan and Warne are handy lower order batsmen. Warne even came as pinch-hitter for the Oz team on occasions and Pathan proved his mettle as batsmen batting higher up as well.
Bowling - Match winners, variety with strength in numbers

  • Warne and Akhtar are two bonafide match winners with the ball. Warne (MOTM) in 2 WC semi finals. One he won on his own (98 semi against WI), the other he brought his team back into the match (03 against SA). Akhtar too had plenty of big game performances for Pak - ( WC Semi against NZ in 03) and is one of only five bowlers in the history of ODI cricket to take more than 150 wickets at an average of less than 25 and a strike rate of below 32 balls per wicket
  • Damien Fleming was ever dependable bowler for the Oz team with figures to prove that. Pathan too hit his peak early for the Indian team. In his first 70 odd games, he averaged around 25 with SR of around 30 for India in ODIs
  • In limited over cricket, it is extremely important to have multiple bowling options since on any given day one of your dependable bowlers could go awry. This team has 3 such options in Kallis, Cairns and Hooper. All 3 are more than capable of bowling out and provide variety in pace and spin.
 
FOR THIS MATCH SPECIFICALLY

Both our openers, Desmond Haynes and Marcus Trescothick have an excellent record in West Indies. Haynes has an average of 67.71 with a strike-rate of 78.01 which is amazing considering the era Haynes played in while Trescothick averages an equally impressive, if not more 66.75 at a strike-rate of 94.68. Considering their track record on these types of tracks, I expect them to provide us with a great start which would help us to give a great base to the innings for the middle-order to build upon and the lower order to accelerate the post a great total.

Bowling wise, we would to get a couple of early wickets when the new ball would be offering some sort of swing. Especially against Saeed Anwar who struggles in tracks which offer pace and bounce. Crappy has got a really side but there is one issue with his batting order. Cairns aside and to an extent Clive Lloyd, none of his batsmen are exactly big hitters. With him chasing, and us have some of the best ever economical bowlers of all time in Shaun Pollock, Bob Willis and Daniel Vettori, we would look to restrict the flow of runs. With an increasing run-rate and right field placing under Ranatunga, we can really put his middle-order under pressure and make them panic. Even Cairns who was a good hitter of the ball was hit and miss throughout his career. So, it gives us a good chance of winning the match as he doesn't have the chasers who would help him guide through what I expect to be a big chase for him.

Good Luck, Crappy!
 
FOR THIS MATCH SPECIFICALLY

Cairns aside and to an extent Clive Lloyd, none of his batsmen are exactly big hitters.

Not true.

Both Anwar and Smith up top are known for batting with a good rate even when they are building a big innings. Even Kallis one set is capable of playing the bug shots, similar to Hussey.
 
Local Stats for some in the team at Barbados -

  • Greame Smith averages 117 with SR of 134.48 with total of 117 runs in 2 innings
  • Kallis averages 61 in 3 innings with 122 runs. With ball - Avg: 9.20, Eco: 2.96, SR: 18.6, Wickets : 5
  • Hooper averages with bat - 47.14 with SR of 89.43 with total of 330 runs
  • Warne - 3 matches, 4 wickets , Avg: 28.00 Eco: 4.00 Sr: 42.0
 
Really, really good teams. This is a great match-up. Also, TRV's chart is the prettiest I've seen this draft.

Both teams have solid opening partnerships, good middle orders with one weak link each (Rahim & Hooper) and reliable bowling options. What kind of WI surface are we looking at here? The traditional ones of old which favored bounce and pace, or the newer style which promotes spin?
 
Really, really good teams. This is a great match-up. Also, TRV's chart is the prettiest I've seen this draft.

Both teams have solid opening partnerships, good middle orders with one weak link each (Rahim & Hooper) and reliable bowling options. What kind of WI surface are we looking at here? The traditional ones of old which favored bounce and pace, or the newer style which promotes spin?
Hooper is not a weak link, especially not at this venue.
 
Question is, who will convince Tresco to get on that plane to the Windies.
 
Don't agree that bowling attacks are similar -

- Willis, won't be exactly be first choice for any ODI team. He is one of those classical bowlers, not best suited for limited over cricket. Even in today's era, you have someone like Steyn not at his best in similar formats.

- Warne >> Vettori

- All round options. He has Klusener and Chappel. I have Cairns, Hooper and Kallis if you want to count Pathan as a bowler only. I could have someone like Pathan/Fleming have an off day and still have Kallis and Cairns take over.
5 pace options- Akhtar, Fleming, Kallis, Cairns, Pathan
2 spin options - Warne , Hooper
 
If you can list in that way.

1. Greame Smith -
2. Saaed Anwar
3. Jacques Kallis
4. Clive Llyod (*)
5. Carl Hooper
6. Brendon Taylor (+)
7. Chris Cairns
8. Ifran Pathan
9. Shane Warne
10. Damien Fleming
11. Shoaib Akhtar
 
Hooper is not at all a weak link,brilliant one day all rounder.
 
I'm going with crappy, provided he gets over he Brendan Taylor fixation.
 
Not true.

Both Anwar and Smith up top are known for batting with a good rate even when they are building a big innings. Even Kallis one set is capable of playing the bug shots, similar to Hussey.

Anwar is attacking but he would struggle in West Indian pitches, which would offer good amount of pace and bounce. Although he never played in West Indies, look at his record in bowler friendly pitches which offer good amount of pace and bounce like Australia, South Africa and New Zealand.

As for Kallis being similar to Hussey, not even close. Hussey was great at rotating the strike and finding boundaries in the middle-overs and death overs. And, thats one thing that was a big knock on Kallis' ODI performances, especially while chasing a big total with runs ob board. He is a very good batsman obviously but he isn't a stroke player and due to that there have been plenty of occasions where his slow start or inability to accelerate have resulted in South Africa not being able to win the matches. They had Klusener earlier and then AB who helped them win some matches ultimately with their big hitting but usually Kallis' performances while chasing big totals were quite underwhelming.
 
Really, really good teams. This is a great match-up. Also, TRV's chart is the prettiest I've seen this draft.

Both teams have solid opening partnerships, good middle orders with one weak link each (Rahim & Hooper) and reliable bowling options. What kind of WI surface are we looking at here? The traditional ones of old which favored bounce and pace, or the newer style which promotes spin?

I don't think Hooper is a weak link. He was a solid ODI player.

I feel the biggest weak link is Brendan Taylor. Good solid batsman but not that good a glovesman. And you need someone with good glovework when you are keeping to the likes of Warney and Akhtar.
 
Don't agree that bowling attacks are similar -

- Willis, won't be exactly be first choice for any ODI team. He is one of those classical bowlers, not best suited for limited over cricket. Even in today's era, you have someone like Steyn not at his best in similar formats.

C'mon Crappy.

Willis has a very good ODI record. And why do you think he is one of those classical bowlers who isn't suited for limited overs cricket? We aren't talking about Thommo or someone like Frank Tyson or Larwood who were rapid but wayward. Willis while pacey was extremely controlled in terms of his line and length. A bowling average of 24.60 with an economy rate of 3.28 is very good. He is definitely a better bowler than Irfan who had such a short peak and Fleming who was a solid bowler at best. Just because those bowlers are more recent doesn't make them better than Willis.
 
Really, really good teams. This is a great match-up. Also, TRV's chart is the prettiest I've seen this draft.

Both teams have solid opening partnerships, good middle orders with one weak link each (Rahim & Hooper) and reliable bowling options. What kind of WI surface are we looking at here? The traditional ones of old which favored bounce and pace, or the newer style which promotes spin?

Just no.
 
Are we allowed to point out that a lot of Anwar's runs were against shit Indian ttacks or do we only do that for players who played in 2000's?
 
I don't really fancy any of these teams, but just want to say Hooper is NOT a weakness in ODIs.
 
Going for Crappy in this game. Both teams seem to have placed a strong emphasis on All-rounders, Crappy especially, But foucs should probably have been placed on specialists rather. One all-rounder per team is plenty. Not a fan of either teams bowling set-up, both seem to be on the weak side and Crappy has the better batting line-up (That said, I really like how the Viper has gone for the Left-Right combo right throughout the batting line-up). They should be able to chase the target Viper sets them.