The quality of the premiership is shocking

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For the self proclaimed 'best league in the world' the current quality level is just too low, we are all light years behind Bayern, Madrid, and Barca, to have Leicester with players like Morgan, Simpson, Albrighton, and Huth sat top of the league is embarrassing for English football imo.

I don't know what the problem is but it seems to be getting worse, if it's as simple as giving them a winter break then just give it to them, but it has to be more than that....
 
For entertainment, this is the best league in the world. I don't give a shite how good Bayern are when they're playing in a league where they can manage 40 points out of 45 with a +35 GD.

Leicester being top of the league is far more interesting than any other league in Europe right now.
 
Tommy said:
For entertainment, this is the best league in the world. I don't give a shite how good Bayern are when they're playing in a league where they can manage 40 points out of 45 with a +35 GD.

Leicester being top of the league is far more interesting than any other league in Europe right now.
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Tommy said:
For entertainment, this is the best league in the world. I don't give a shite how good Bayern are when they're playing in a league where they can manage 40 points out of 45 with a +35 GD.

Leicester being top of the league is far more interesting than any other league in Europe right now.
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Totally agree having an even league is far more interesting than watching Barca and Bayern beat midtable teams with 5-0.
 
Tommy said:
For entertainment, this is the best league in the world. I don't give a shite how good Bayern are when they're playing in a league where they can manage 40 points out of 45 with a +35 GD.

Leicester being top of the league is far more interesting than any other league in Europe right now.
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That depends on whether you're entertained by the football or the narrative surrounding it. Maybe it's because I'm primarily watching United games, but I've not had much fun with the Premier League this season.
 
I agree its been crap this year. Been a slow decline for 5 years
 
It's a good league and it's only a matter of time before we have teams being competitive in Europe again.
 
Tommy said:
For entertainment, this is the best league in the world. I don't give a shite how good Bayern are when they're playing in a league where they can manage 40 points out of 45 with a +35 GD.

Leicester being top of the league is far more interesting than any other league in Europe right now.
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interesting yes. Quality? No

It's interesting whether several top teams or several average teams compete against each other. The premier league is of the latter type, and it's been the case for 4-5 years now.
 
Tommy said:
For entertainment, this is the best league in the world. I don't give a shite how good Bayern are when they're playing in a league where they can manage 40 points out of 45 with a +35 GD.

Leicester being top of the league is far more interesting than any other league in Europe right now.
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You make a good point, but it'll cost us in the end.
 
The mid table sides have been able to use the TV money to strengthen considerably and it shows. Leicester won't last at the top but the Premier league is much more exciting than any of the other top divisions.
 
And Premier League fans have the nerve to laugh at the Spanish league's quality. Madrid and Barca win alot because they are simply equal (in Barca's case, BETTER) to the best ever Premier League teams in its history. The La liga teams in place 3 to 15 or so are different class to what the PL have in those spots, as proven in the European Competitions of the last years.
 
goin4glory said:
The mid table sides have been able to use the TV money to strengthen considerably and it shows. Leicester won't last at the top but the Premier league is much more exciting than any of the other top divisions.
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Good point, and it'll be this reason why Southampton will gladly tell us to do one in the January transfer window if we come in for Mane, and why Everton really messed Chelsea's season up when they assumed they would land Stones, it has had a knock on effect that has almost made the decline worse.
 
Tommy said:
For entertainment, this is the best league in the world. I don't give a shite how good Bayern are when they're playing in a league where they can manage 40 points out of 45 with a +35 GD.

Leicester being top of the league is far more interesting than any other league in Europe right now.
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Entertainment as it league being close and 'many teams being able to win it' (which in reality is horseshit cause it rarely happens that way), sure.

Entertainment from the quality of football? Far from it. It is far below La Liga and nowadays even below Bundesliga. The quality of football is shocking for the self proclaimed bestest thing in the universe.


Fergus' son said:
It's a good league and it's only a matter of time before we have teams being competitive in Europe again.
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Have been hearing this for a few years now.

If by matter of time, it means 'it will eventually happen', then yes. But if it means in a year or two, then I think it is extremely unlikely.
 
It was always on the cards with the tv money and parachute payments. Rise in entertainment but a solid fall in quality amongst the top teams.
 
It's the best league for strength in depth but one of the worst for elite sides.
 
Since 2009-2010, it's been worse and worse each year.

The days of English teams dominating the CL are long gone.

Entertaining and competitive as always, but a huge dip in quality from the top teams.
 
C'est Moi Cantona said:
Good point, and it'll be this reason why Southampton will gladly tell us to do one in the January transfer window if we come in for Mane, and why Everton really messed Chelsea's season up when they assumed they would land Stones, it has had a knock on effect that has almost made the decline worse.
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This is why the league has been so crazy, in the past Everton could never have held out on Stones but with the new TV deal means they can pick up a £30m striker and reject £40m for a CB. Moyes routinely had to sell his best players.

I agreed with Wenger when he said there's more money in the market than talent, players who could make a genuine difference for top 4 teams are at clubs who have no need to sell which leads to massively inflated prices. Mane might only be a 20-25m player but we'll be looking at paying considerably more. I'd still pay it tbh the club is rolling in money and the league is up for grabs this season.
 
Eddy_JukeZ said:
Since 2009-2010, it's been worse and worse each year.

The days of English teams dominating the CL are long gone.

Entertaining and competitive as always, but a huge dip in quality from the top teams.
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Barca/Madrid etc have had a huge financial advantage over all the English clubs for over a decade and it shows. Both clubs routinely bought the best players in the world every summer so at the moment it's difficult to catch up, the new TV deal puts some premier league teams above them in financial power so it's only a matter of time before we see English clubs dominating again.
 
C'est Moi Cantona said:
Rubbish harsh, limited yes, do you deem them world beaters?
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I don't deem them limited and i've been critical of someone like Vardy myself but i wonder when the line starts to be drawn and people accept that they're better than they think, or at least it's not embarrassing as they're decent footballers in a very good system that suits them.
 
Here in Argentina you never know clearly who is going to win the league too.

I guess it's better than Bundesliga and La Liga then.
 
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You just have to look at the football played in Valencia - Barcelona. Incredibly fast-paced football over the ground with little hoofballs from the back, intricate passing, lots of off the ball movement etc. That was not the case at all with Man Utd - West Ham today.
 
VorZakone said:
You just have to look at the football played in Valencia - Barcelona. Incredibly fast-paced football over the ground with little hoofballs from the back, intricate passing, lots of off the ball movement etc. That was not the case at all with Man Utd - West Ham today.
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TBH, I found our game today a lot more watchable than the Valencia game, thanks to WHU. Just today's, though, our recent ones have been the worst I've ever seen.
 
It's similar to the argument about whether results or performances are more important. Which makes a league better: quality or competition?

Based on quality, according to UEFA's rankings, the PL is as close to Portugal as they are La Liga and the only English clubs in the top 10 are Chelsea (who have got worse every year since 2012) and Arsenal (who have been the same since 2012). Since 2012, only Chelsea has made it to the semi finals (they've done it twice in 4 seasons). La Liga has managed 8, Bundesliga has managed 5 and Serie A 1.
So the score for semi finalists is:
  1. La Liga = 8 (Real Madrid 4, Barca 3 and Atlético 1)
  2. Bundesliga = 5 (Bayern 4 and Dortmund 1)
  3. PL = 2 (Chelsea 1)
  4. Serie A = 1 (Juventus)
So the best of the PL are clearly behind the rest in Europe. In the Europa league, the PL clubs don't even seem to care which is unfortunate as they are probably the strength of the PL.

Based on the current league tables, the PL is more competitive but if you just want competition, why not watch the Championship? The PL is more competitive and the mid table clubs have improved ito finances but the top sides have gotten worse and worse. Arsenal have been the same (roughly) for years, Chelsea have fallen off a cliff and City can't decide if they're bothered. We are a football team that doesn't like football, Liverpool have declined over the last decade or so and Spurs are Spurs.

If you want drama and excitement, watch the PL. If you want to watch the best of the best, they don't play in the PL and it's been a good few years since they have.
 
Yes it's fun but crap. It's like a game of chess between novices; there isn't much quality or skill and noone has a coherent strategy, but there is a hectic free for all chaos to it that can be fun... well for a few minutes, then it gets boring.

Yes you can say who wants a league with a dominant team like Bayern smashing all before them, but there is something to say for the sheer quality and dominance of a Kasparov regardless of the lack of competitive games.

All the top teams have been outclassed by 'smaller' European teams at times this season.
 
Tbh this idea that the whole league is shite is disrespectful to the likes of Leicester, Palace, Stoke and West Ham. Just because the so called top clubs are an embarrassment doesn't mean the whole league is.
 
How many people here watch Getafe v Sevilla or Schalke v Leverkusen etc to get a proper viewpoint on this?
You all watch most EPL games on tv yet only watch the elite v sides levels below them to come to these conclusions, its ridiculous. Of course England will never match up if Youre only watching 99% of games that consist of either Ronaldo /Messi /Lewandowski playing, how would Leicester v West Ham compete with that?
Link me to these threads where posters are salivating at the theatre of Bilbao v Elche and Ill believe a few more posts in this thread.
 
cyberman said:
How many people here watch Getafe v Sevilla or Schalke v Leverkusen etc to get a proper viewpoint on this?
You all watch most EPL games on tv yet only watch the elite v sides levels below them to come to these conclusions, its ridiculous. Of course England will never match up if Youre only watching 99% of games that consist of either Ronaldo /Messi /Lewandowski playing, how would Leicester v West Ham compete with that?
Link me to these threads where posters are salivating at the theatre of Bilbao v Elche and Ill believe a few more posts in this thread.
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Despite the pointless generalization, how can you come to that conclusion? We aren't in the seventies anymore when you follow the foreign leagues by reading the newspapers.
 
SilentWitness said:
I don't deem them limited and i've been critical of someone like Vardy myself but i wonder when the line starts to be drawn and people accept that they're better than they think, or at least it's not embarrassing as they're decent footballers in a very good system that suits them.
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I'm not saying they're not good but you just have to take a look at some of the players to realise they are punching well above their weight, I don't think that is been direspectful at all, they are the club taking advantage of the stagnate 'top' teams and well played, but it says an awful lot about where English football is right now, I just hope it doesn't cost us a CL place before we pull it round.
 
Revan said:
Despite the pointless generalization, how can you come to that conclusion? We aren't in the seventies anymore when you follow the foreign leagues by reading the newspapers.
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By reading the match threads on here?
 
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