Originally posted by devilish:
<strong>There are 4 main problems regarding Veron
1 we pretend too much out of him. If the attack is lazy and the defense a joke its not his fault.
2 SAF plays him in all sorts of positions ( lw am rw) and this ruining his form. His position is that of an central attacking midfielder nothing more nothing less.
3 Veron (like Zidane and R Costa) is not designed to tackle and win the ball. That is the defensive midfielder and the defense job. Asking this from him just because you have crappy players (Blanc, PNev) doing that job is not fair on him.
4 Scholes is BETTER than him. The English Prince is designed for OT while Veron ( who is used to defenses that defend) is struggling.</strong><hr></blockquote>
i take it you did not watch the game last night. he scored one and created one. i don't know why people want too much out of the guy.. it's established he's no good in the EPL, but SAF said it clearly that he was brought in for the CL.
The moment Veron came here, SAF said this man is going to play the CL games. His main goal will be to bring back the CL.
And i tell you, if we do that this year it would have been money well spent. and Veron will be the main reason we get it.
the problem with Veron!!!!
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Let's pose a few questions
1. Veron is regarded by most pundits as a world class player - probably rated internationally in the top five. Why then has he been so inconsistent at United ?
2. Why was Veron bought specifically for the ECL as so many will have us believe? Fergie hasn't said as much although he has admitted he may be more suited to that competition. What is the truth ?
3. Why do you break the United transfer record to bring a player in who only performs in what is comparatively a handful of games, albeit important ones ?
4. Is the problem more to do with the system(s) SAF employs and the others in the team rather than Veron himself ? Is he compatible ?
5. Can we afford the luxury of having JSV when we need two or even three others to bring the squad up to the required strength and yet funds are (were) not available apparently for such acquisitions?
Personally I still think JSV is a great player. It's a tradegy that he appears so ineffective for us in so many important games.
1. Veron is regarded by most pundits as a world class player - probably rated internationally in the top five. Why then has he been so inconsistent at United ?
2. Why was Veron bought specifically for the ECL as so many will have us believe? Fergie hasn't said as much although he has admitted he may be more suited to that competition. What is the truth ?
3. Why do you break the United transfer record to bring a player in who only performs in what is comparatively a handful of games, albeit important ones ?
4. Is the problem more to do with the system(s) SAF employs and the others in the team rather than Veron himself ? Is he compatible ?
5. Can we afford the luxury of having JSV when we need two or even three others to bring the squad up to the required strength and yet funds are (were) not available apparently for such acquisitions?
Personally I still think JSV is a great player. It's a tradegy that he appears so ineffective for us in so many important games.
Usually we agree RUnited so i wont give you a hair dryer critism
I haven't watched the game, but I have watced Veron since he came to Europe with Sampdoria
He is a world class player and as you said he should have settled well at ot
Veron problems comes from the team ( read well my points) and not from him
I haven't watched the game, but I have watced Veron since he came to Europe with Sampdoria
He is a world class player and as you said he should have settled well at ot
Veron problems comes from the team ( read well my points) and not from him
if we all trust and believe SAF in that United should play with 4-4-1-1 and become a much slower team, then you will believe his tactics. We have not lost so many goals this season, and I for one can say it is because of the 4-4-1-1 tactics and strategy. We are much more composed.
If the real target is to transform the whole team to become a slower team, played with confident passing and game control, then there is really no one better to guide us than Veron himself.
In a way i think Veron is a teacher.. to bring in a new style at United - because this could be what SAF ultimately wants us to be. to be a more composed and calm team.
I know it goes against every traditions, but it could be looking into the 21st century, so to speak..
it even goes against my opinions of SAF before.. when i wrote the article,.. but after having been in this forum for almost a month i'm beginning to see the pattern of things - esp with the comments of the posters..
no need to complain anymore IMO.. i think it's time we get behind the team and hope we make something out of this. If it fails, then we can always look to the new manager to either take us back in time or persist on SAF work and make us better.
If the real target is to transform the whole team to become a slower team, played with confident passing and game control, then there is really no one better to guide us than Veron himself.
In a way i think Veron is a teacher.. to bring in a new style at United - because this could be what SAF ultimately wants us to be. to be a more composed and calm team.
I know it goes against every traditions, but it could be looking into the 21st century, so to speak..
it even goes against my opinions of SAF before.. when i wrote the article,.. but after having been in this forum for almost a month i'm beginning to see the pattern of things - esp with the comments of the posters..
no need to complain anymore IMO.. i think it's time we get behind the team and hope we make something out of this. If it fails, then we can always look to the new manager to either take us back in time or persist on SAF work and make us better.
I think that the 4-4-1-1 formation is SAF DESPERATE bid to cover a weak defense and a lazy midfield
I agree with you Runited that the 4-4-1-1 gives us more stability, but its killing the of the fast counter attacks at Manutd scoring abilities. Breaking defenses is becoming difficult with only one striker.
I think Veron is a wonderful player, but too similar to scholes. Both are good and both cannot play in the forward line. One of them should be sacrificed to bring in a real creative forward like Ronaldinho Del Piero or Totti and my opinion is that Scholes should stay
I agree with you Runited that the 4-4-1-1 gives us more stability, but its killing the of the fast counter attacks at Manutd scoring abilities. Breaking defenses is becoming difficult with only one striker.
I think Veron is a wonderful player, but too similar to scholes. Both are good and both cannot play in the forward line. One of them should be sacrificed to bring in a real creative forward like Ronaldinho Del Piero or Totti and my opinion is that Scholes should stay
Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
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Beckham can take his boots and get out of the door for me. If he can't stay on that wing, then he can take a great big running jump over the ship canal.
If you don't like our captain, support other teams else.
Originally posted by uranushk1:
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If you don't like our captain, support other teams else.
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Becks like all our players are suffering from this 4-4-1-1 formation that is not exploiting the team's strenghts
My plan is this
1 Strenghten the defense (lb and cb)
2 Sell veron and bring in a world class forward (Ronaldinho)
3 Bring in a good winger so that you can free Becks whenever needed
4 And put scholes in his natural position
5 Return to the 4-4-2
My plan is this
1 Strenghten the defense (lb and cb)
2 Sell veron and bring in a world class forward (Ronaldinho)
3 Bring in a good winger so that you can free Becks whenever needed
4 And put scholes in his natural position
5 Return to the 4-4-2
Look playing a player out of position, with a crippled defense and a poor attack is NOT the ideal place to settle down.
Pretending him to do things that he wouldnt even dream to do with other clubs ( an attacking midfielder that tackles is only a Manutd thing) is out of this world
I am not a Veron supporter but I respect his talent altough I Prefar Scholes ( So i am a scholes supporter)
Remember that Cantona has never tackled in his life so stop bugging veron on this
Pretending him to do things that he wouldnt even dream to do with other clubs ( an attacking midfielder that tackles is only a Manutd thing) is out of this world
I am not a Veron supporter but I respect his talent altough I Prefar Scholes ( So i am a scholes supporter)
Remember that Cantona has never tackled in his life so stop bugging veron on this
I don't think that SAF will do what I have just said but I really hope that he will do it.
About Becks Amir you really impresses me. You are ready to protect a wreck like Blanc and you slate
one of the biggest stars of this team. Becks had just passed from a bad time due to the missed kidnapping of his family, it may look natural in Israel but in civilized countries like england this is considered as a terrific experience
About Becks Amir you really impresses me. You are ready to protect a wreck like Blanc and you slate
one of the biggest stars of this team. Becks had just passed from a bad time due to the missed kidnapping of his family, it may look natural in Israel but in civilized countries like england this is considered as a terrific experience
Originally posted by Julian Denny:
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Why do you say that when that was the position he always played in before Kanchelskis left ?
becks did not play much before kanchelskis left.he only made the occasional appearances as a young player coming into the first team. in fact, it was after kan kan left, that he got a place in the first team, on the right wing.
Originally posted by Dominant:
<strong>Originally posted by Julian Denny:
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Why do you say that when that was the position he always played in before Kanchelskis left ?
becks did not play much before kanchelskis left.he only made the occasional appearances as a young player coming into the first team. in fact, it was after kan kan left, that he got a place in the first team, on the right wing.
You are right but what I was intimating was the fact that Becks played all his youth and reserve football in the middle and therefore this could still be his ultimate position.