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Keane can't relate because he had an elite mentality. Garnacho seemingly doesn't.

Have you seen the video ‘when Garna met George’ from the weekend? He knows what it’s all about, he also probably knows that planetfaz bloke is a knobhead too, but it doesn’t stop the unwarranted criticism being hurtful.

 

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He didn’t need to stride in anywhere or tell anyone anything. Malcolm was happy to defer to SAF greater knowledge. If SAF suggested Moyes, he would have accepted it as a good decision.
Of course it was Glazers decision to appoint Woodward as a trusted lieutenant but otherwise he was as uninterested as it gets.

Malcolm? You do know Malcolm wasn't running the club in 2013 yes? Because of his ill health following a stroke his sons took over his business interests. But yes the Glazers allowed Sir Alex to choose his own successor, as I'd originally said.

 

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Malcolm? You do know Malcolm wasn't running the club in 2013 yes? Because of his ill health following a stroke his sons took over his business interests. But yes the Glazers allowed Sir Alex to choose his own successor, as I'd originally said.

Malcolm never ran the club. He wasn’t interested .

 

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No it's not the same thing at all and I never said anything about 'taking over' either - again those are your words, not mine.

Mate you said Gill would have lined up alternative targets. If you think thats different to him identifying his own targets then fair enough.

And yes you are right you didn't explicitly say 'taking over' but if you've got a CEO who decides that the managers targets aren't happening and starts lining up his own then....

He would have lined up alternatives and got them in once it became clear the others werent coming or maybe he would have even got the first choices in

Bizarre to me that anyone would even argue with the point that we'd have been vastly better off if Gill stayed around rather than going with the completely inexperienced and inept Woodward


Why do you think Gill was called back in January to complete the Mata transfer?
Quite obviously it was to avoid the absolute mess they made of the summer window

I never said we wouldn't have been better off had Gill stayed, maybe we would have been and maybe we wouldn't have. If I had to guess I'd say we would have but my point stands. I don't think Gill would have fared much better than Woodward did that summer when trying to facilitate Moyes unrealistic plans.

 

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I actually think the whole 'Fergie handpicked Moyes' thing is unlikely to be true either

There was a whole board of directors who will have had a say (including Fergie, Gill and even Bobby Charlton) - I'm sure Fergie did have a big say though

Plus it was unfortunate timing that it seemed several high profile managers (Pep, Ancellotti etc) had accepted other jobs just before Fergie announced he was leaving

Ferguson in his autobiography revealed he was urging Moyes in February 2013 not to renew his Everton contract so that ''it would be easier for United'' (to hire him). For context this was before he'd even told the club he was retiring, so Ferguson must have had him in mind to suggest as his successor.

 

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Direct from the horses mouth. The first question, the first time he speaks.

''That's a new manager that you chose?''

''Yeah''

This?

Ok but what's the relevance here mate?

I said Ferguson chose Moyes as the Glazers and the board tasked him with choosing his own successor. My point was he didn't just decide that he would do this on his own (as someone else claimed), the club allowed him to do that.

 

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Malcolm never ran the club. He wasn’t interested .

So what the feck are you talking about then? Why did you bring up Malcolm?

He didn’t need to stride in anywhere or tell anyone anything. Malcolm was happy to defer to SAF greater knowledge. If SAF suggested Moyes, he would have accepted it as a good decision.

Alex Ferguson wasn't running the entire enterprise of Manchester United. The Glazers, Gill and the board were.

 

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So what the feck are you talking about then? Why did you bring up Malcolm?



Alex Ferguson wasn't running the entire enterprise of Manchester United. The Glazers, Gill and the board were.

Oh for goodness sake, you are that intent on arguing you’ve forgotten what you are arguing about.

The club was being run by David Gill and Sir Alex. Sir Alex decided he was going to retire, and chose his successors. If you believe the stories from the time there were one or two above Moyes (the famous dinner with Pep story being one) but he ultimately ended up with Moyes. It may have been okayed by the board but the decision was Sir Alex’s alone. That was my original point.

I was mistaken about Malcolm having got my timeline muddled. You’re quite right about it being Joel and Avram in charge, but up until the last few years they too have been happy to defer to Gill and latterly Woodward, only signing off decisions.

Enough now, we are derailing the thread. I’m done.