The "OK Calm Down Everyone, We'll Be Fine" Thread

Let's get back to winning way against Burnley. We need some positivity after weeks of doom and gloom. We need to turn the corner fast and I think we will. Win against Burnley to build some confidence. I'm looking forward to the game.

IMO, no point sacking ETH when people upstairs are not doing their job especially our DOF. Also, we need to back the manager against players power.
 
It's basic variance. So far this season we've had-.

Spurs

- Bruno misses one of the easiest chances you're likely to ever see missed at 0-0
- Strong shout for penalty turned down at 0-0
- Antony hits the inside of the post at 0-1

Arsenal

- Garnacho is offside by an inch at 1-1.
- Both starting CBs get injured, and since Shaw and Varane are also out, we finish the game with 35yo Johnny Evans at CB.
- Rice's winner takes a deflection, otherwise its a routine save.

Brighton

- Brighton score with their first shot
- Hojlund equaliser ruled out under pretty dubious circumstances, since I still don't believe VAR can be 100% certain that ball was out.

Bayern

- We start the game well, our GK makes a mistake from a shot he saves 999/1000
- Very harsh penalty given against Eriksen when we get back to 2-1

Now, this is not me complaining, as such, about our bad luck. It's simply highlighting how different things could have been had we had good luck.

Imagine Bruno scores that header vs Spurs. We were absolutely all over them at that point. Imagine Garnacho held his run by 0.1 milliseconds, we win away at Arsenal.

Football is a game of fine margins, since its such a low-scoring game, and generally the team who take the lead go on and win the game. I'm convinced once key players return from injury and our luck changes, we'll see our form improve dramatically.
 
VP89 said:
I genuinely think wel go unbeaten (or close to) in our next 7 games, winning the majority and the same knee jerk fans wanting him out will probably want to perform fellatio on him.
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How is that 'fellatio' of yours going?
 
VP89 said:
I genuinely think wel go unbeaten (or close to) in our next 7 games, winning the majority and the same knee jerk fans wanting him out will probably want to perform fellatio on him.
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We need to vote on a Caf delusional 11. Striker is out though, you've won it.
 
We will show some form of life against Galatasaray and everything will be okay.!!!
 
I'll give it a shot in this thread.

The situation is grim, no denying that at all. Having said that, I still feel that Ten Hag shouldn't and wouldn't be sacked. There are a few mitigating points I'll try to reason here:
  • Injury Crisis: Possibly the worst kind we've seen in a long, long time. 3 out of 4 of our starting defence are out and Varane has just come back. The fact that there are defensive gaps should not be surprising. With Reguilon possibly coming back post the Brentford game, at least we'll have proper players in their positions
  • Been there, done that: 2019/20 started with 9 points from 7 games and we ended up finishing 3rd. While I will never celebrate finishing 3rd as an achievement, the sad fact is that a title challenge is still a bridge too far. The standards for title race have been obliterated by City and losing a couple of games in the beginning of the season means that you're out of the race already. But having been in a top 4 race for almost every season in the past 7-8 years, we know that you're never fully out of it and a run of wins can propel you up the table and into the midst quite swiftly
  • Fixtures: Barring City and Newcastle (Carabao), we have a reasonably manageable set of fixtures till the end of November. Given the atmosphere of doom and gloom, maybe it would've been better to play tougher fixtures at this point so we can be no-hope underdogs. However, now is the time to grind out results. Brentford, Sheffield United and Copenhagen represent fixtures where we can do it and gain some momentum.
  • Ten Hag: For all the criticism he faces, I believe he handles the situation with dignity. While still only proven in Eredevisie, he is a class manager recognized across Europe. He has made mistakes, particularly in recruitment, and his in game management of sticking with Bruno and Rashford, especially when they are playing terribly, is quite rage inducing. However, we need to stick with the manager even if it means suffering in the short term. Player power at our club is beyond control. Sacking him gives in to that. Prima donnas like Sancho who've earned massive wages while delivering feck all are chilling at home rather than putting in a shift for the team. Our failings over the past few weeks are led by Ten Hag but have been characterized by individual blunders (Bayern, Galatasaray) and narrow margins (Arsenal, Spurs).
  • Hojlund: Enough said.
The doom and gloom at the club becomes so consuming that you feel that in a quieter environment, the team can actually pull themselves through the mess. As fans, particularly at this stage, I believe that we should back the manager to pull the team out of this mess. He did that last season, and he can do it this season as well. Falling into the same cursed cycle will lead us nowhere. Might as well try something new this time around.
 
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We are playing alright. We are just making too many errors. This is not like the Ole and Jose last year.
 
Should have brought a CB in during the transfer window and not spent the budget on Onana.
However, we will surely improve if we can get some defenders fit again and we move Amrabat into midfield.

Still think the team is missing wingers that can rack up the assists, we lack creativity and hope for wonder moments from our players.

I don't think ETH can afford a bad result against Brentford when we have the international break after.
 
Nickelodeon said:
I'll give it a shot in this thread.

The situation is grim, no denying that at all. Having said that, I still feel that Ten Hag shouldn't and wouldn't be sacked. There are a few mitigating points I'll try to reason here:
  • Injury Crisis: Possibly the worst kind we've seen in a long, long time. 3 out of 4 of our starting defence are out and Varane has just come back. The fact that there are defensive gaps should not be surprising. With Reguilon possibly coming back post the Brentford game, at least we'll have proper players in their positions
  • Been there, done that: 2019/20 started with 9 points from 7 games and we ended up finishing 3rd. While I will never celebrate finishing 3rd as an achievement, the sad fact is that a title challenge is still a bridge too far. The standards for title race have been obliterated by City and losing a couple of games in the beginning of the season means that you're out of the race already. But having been in a top 4 race for almost every season in the past 7-8 years, we know that you're never fully out of it and a run of wins can propel you up the table and into the midst quite swiftly
  • Fixtures: Barring City and Newcastle (Carabao), we have a reasonably manageable set of fixtures till the end of November. Given the atmosphere of doom and gloom, maybe it would've been better to play tougher fixtures at this point so we can be no-hope underdogs. However, now is the time to grind out results. Brentford, Sheffield United and Copenhagen represent fixtures where we can do it and gain some momentum.
  • Ten Hag: For all the criticism he faces, I believe he handles the situation with dignity. While still only proven in Eredevisie, he is a class manager recognized across Europe. He has made mistakes, particularly in recruitment, and his in game management of sticking with Bruno and Rashford, especially when they are playing terribly, is quite rage inducing. However, we need to stick with the manager even if it means suffering in the short term. Player power at our club is beyond control. Sacking him gives in to that. Prima donnas like Sancho who've earned massive wages while delivering feck all are chilling at home rather than putting in a shift for the team. Our failings over the past few weeks are led by Ten Hag but have been characterized by individual blunders (Bayern, Galatasaray) and narrow margins (Arsenal, Spurs).
The doom and gloom at the club becomes so consuming that you feel that in a quieter environment, the team can actually pull themselves through the mess. As fans, particularly at this stage, I believe that we should back the manager to pull the team out of this mess. He did that last season, and he can do it this season as well. Falling into the same cursed cycle will lead us nowhere. Might as well try something new this time around.
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Great post. The worst thing we could do is get rid of ETH. He had a great first season. So far this season he has had zero luck with shocking injury count and some freak on pitch luck.
The club was a complete mess when he took over, he has the balls to sort it. player power will not be tolerated.
Not many will have that.
 
RedIan said:
Great post. The worst thing we could do is get rid of ETH. He had a great first season. So far this season he has had zero luck with shocking injury count and some freak on pitch luck.
The club was a complete mess when he took over, he has the balls to sort it. player power will not be tolerated.
Not many will have that.
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Its not a great post. ETH biggest flaw and its a fatal one, is his obsession with signing players from Dutch league, who we also massively overpay for. Antony, even if he stays out of prison, is a £30m player at best. Onana is simpyl awful, was available on a free last summer, while Reya was available for half that amount. £60m for Mason Mount, a tidy little player and thats it. The new Mata. THe list goes on. Also, we still have a team of seasoned internationals, who look utterly lost.
 
So far we have won 3 out of the first 7 league games

In 1973 we also won 3 out of the first 7 games ( followed by 2 draws )
We were too good to go down said everyone, including me

Despite that, I still think we will end much nearer the top than the bottom, I still hope for the top 4, with so many injuries, and others clearly not in form,
doesn't seem likely, but a lot can still happen.
 
Red For Ever said:
So far we have won 3 out of the first 7 league games

In 1973 we also won 3 out of the first 7 games ( followed by 2 draws )
We were too good to go down said everyone, including me

Despite that, I still think we will end much nearer the top than the bottom, I still hope for the top 4, with so many injuries, and others clearly not in form,
doesn't seem likely, but a lot can still happen.
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Cristiano Ronaldo scoring for Newcastle against us to relegate us in the last match?

Does that happen before or after we bring Fergie back?
 
Gordon Godot said:
Its not a great post. ETH biggest flaw and its a fatal one, is his obsession with signing players from Dutch league, who we also massively overpay for. Antony, even if he stays out of prison, is a £30m player at best. Onana is simpyl awful, was available on a free last summer, while Reya was available for half that amount. £60m for Mason Mount, a tidy little player and thats it. The new Mata. THe list goes on. Also, we still have a team of seasoned internationals, who look utterly lost.
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Even in my post, I had recognized Ten Hag's failings at recruitment. Regardless of whether we retain Ten Hag or not, manager led recruitment is not the solution. My entire point is that the doom and gloom portrays a situation which isn't salvageable, something which I disagree with given the mitigating factors. Doesn't mean Ten Hag hasn't made mistakes but that there is still some optimism left in me.
 
Revan said:
Cristiano Ronaldo scoring for Newcastle against us to relegate us in the last match?

Does that happen before or after we bring Fergie back?
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Ha Ha We were down anyway when Law scored. Other results meant we were down anyway

And the 2 draws in the next 2 matches were Leeds and Liverpool who finished 1st and 2nd
 
Gordon Godot said:
Its not a great post. ETH biggest flaw and its a fatal one, is his obsession with signing players from Dutch league, who we also massively overpay for. Antony, even if he stays out of prison, is a £30m player at best. Onana is simpyl awful, was available on a free last summer, while Reya was available for half that amount. £60m for Mason Mount, a tidy little player and thats it. The new Mata. THe list goes on. Also, we still have a team of seasoned internationals, who look utterly lost.
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I don't think it's an obsession, but rather it's all he knows. It's definitely more the club's fault. If we had a good structure in place, the manager would provide input into what he is looking for, and the club would pick the player to sign. It's actually criminal how our transfer strategy since Moyes has clearly been sign players the manager wants. Literally a relic of the time of SAF, which is over a decade ago. If we're not careful, we will fall into the Kodak trap of not moving with the times.
 
I think some people need to calm the feck down, that's for sure. It will perhaps do them good to take a week or two off. I mean we have a thread going where people are now accusing the team of throwing games. Pathetic.
 
Now caaaaalm down RedCafe diddly-diddly. They did their best diddly-diddly-diddly. Gotta be nice diddly-diddly-diddly-diddly AH HELL, DIDDLY-DING-DONG CRAP!
 
Dr. StrangeHate said:
We are playing alright. We are just making too many errors. This is not like the Ole and Jose last year.
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AndySmith1990 said:
Making loads of errors does not equate to an alright performance
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I oscillate between these two positions. I think both are right in some ways.

Even though last night was one of the worst matchgoing experiences I've had in the last few years, I can also recognise that for large parts of the game we dominated and played good football, and that with a team decimated by injuries.

Our inability to not defensively shit the bed in key moments is the first priority now. Because we had that game won last night. We must be able to keep defensive shape under pressure. If we end up with 0-0 draws, so be it, but we've got to stop falling apart in periods of every single game.

I'll also point out that we've been unlucky in key moments of late. Conceding worldies or just crazy goals like the first one yesterday. That's what happens when you're down. And our lack of goals means it's a mountain to climb when we concede because the team know that goals aren't easy to come by for us these days.
 
Nickelodeon said:
I'll give it a shot in this thread.

The situation is grim, no denying that at all. Having said that, I still feel that Ten Hag shouldn't and wouldn't be sacked. There are a few mitigating points I'll try to reason here:
  • Injury Crisis: Possibly the worst kind we've seen in a long, long time. 3 out of 4 of our starting defence are out and Varane has just come back. The fact that there are defensive gaps should not be surprising. With Reguilon possibly coming back post the Brentford game, at least we'll have proper players in their positions
  • Been there, done that: 2019/20 started with 9 points from 7 games and we ended up finishing 3rd. While I will never celebrate finishing 3rd as an achievement, the sad fact is that a title challenge is still a bridge too far. The standards for title race have been obliterated by City and losing a couple of games in the beginning of the season means that you're out of the race already. But having been in a top 4 race for almost every season in the past 7-8 years, we know that you're never fully out of it and a run of wins can propel you up the table and into the midst quite swiftly
  • Fixtures: Barring City and Newcastle (Carabao), we have a reasonably manageable set of fixtures till the end of November. Given the atmosphere of doom and gloom, maybe it would've been better to play tougher fixtures at this point so we can be no-hope underdogs. However, now is the time to grind out results. Brentford, Sheffield United and Copenhagen represent fixtures where we can do it and gain some momentum.
  • Ten Hag: For all the criticism he faces, I believe he handles the situation with dignity. While still only proven in Eredevisie, he is a class manager recognized across Europe. He has made mistakes, particularly in recruitment, and his in game management of sticking with Bruno and Rashford, especially when they are playing terribly, is quite rage inducing. However, we need to stick with the manager even if it means suffering in the short term. Player power at our club is beyond control. Sacking him gives in to that. Prima donnas like Sancho who've earned massive wages while delivering feck all are chilling at home rather than putting in a shift for the team. Our failings over the past few weeks are led by Ten Hag but have been characterized by individual blunders (Bayern, Galatasaray) and narrow margins (Arsenal, Spurs).
  • Hojlund: Enough said.
The doom and gloom at the club becomes so consuming that you feel that in a quieter environment, the team can actually pull themselves through the mess. As fans, particularly at this stage, I believe that we should back the manager to pull the team out of this mess. He did that last season, and he can do it this season as well. Falling into the same cursed cycle will lead us nowhere. Might as well try something new this time around.
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pretty much. Results so far have had some unlucky VAR decisions, coupled with some gk blunders that have cost us. Could be a lot different of a season had things just gone a bit different. I'd be furious if we replaced him and new caretaker manager came in and rewarded our "stars" with more playing time/opportunities and brought back someone like sancho.
 
Martinez back in training. Everything up until this point doesn’t count. Now is when our season really starts.
 
Samid said:
Martinez back in training. Everything up until this point doesn’t count. Now is when our season really starts.
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Only when back to full fitness. Which is still going to be at least a few weeks. ETH only has himself to blame if one player is so important to this team. He obviously couldn’t foresee this many injuries but should have planned what happens if his most important player gets injured for the season.
 
The only saving grace and hope at the moment is that due to the amount of undeserved wins we've scraped against relegation fodder we still could challenge for a top 4 spot, IF we change our manager, sort our shit out, and some of the other teams underperform. So still very unlikely, but clinging to the hope. The hope that we qualify for a tournament where we will probably embarrass ourselves again :wenger:

We really deserve to be bottom half where Chelsea are though with our performances, evidenced by our terrible GD.
 
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