The next generation of potentially great managers

LawCharltonBest said:
Wayne Rooney
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I suspect you joke, but can you imagine the training sessions with Championship level players?

Rooney: Doesn't matter where you are within 30 yards of the post, even if you're arguing with the ref. If the ball comes at you mid air, don't take an extra touch, just volley it straight into the top corner.

Players: Huh? How ...

Rooney: Just kick like I do. I don't know how to make this any simpler for you
 
Glorio said:
I suspect you joke, but can you imagine the training sessions with Championship level players?

Rooney: Doesn't matter where you are within 30 yards of the post, even if you're arguing with the ref. If the ball comes at you mid air, don't take an extra touch, just volley it straight into the top corner.

Players: Huh? How ...

Rooney: Just kick like I do. I don't know how to make this any simpler for you
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And if the wingers cross is slightly behind you, just bicycle kick it in
 
May be on my own but I rate Steve Cooper think he could do a good job at a mid table to Europa league club at the moment.
 
hasanejaz88 said:
Naglesmann has won titles with Bayern, whether you want to give that any credence is a separate question.
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That’s hardly hard is it. The guy who got relegated with Burnley will probably win them a title this year also.
 
Glorio said:
I suspect you joke, but can you imagine the training sessions with Championship level players?

Rooney: Doesn't matter where you are within 30 yards of the post, even if you're arguing with the ref. If the ball comes at you mid air, don't take an extra touch, just volley it straight into the top corner.

Players: Huh? How ...

Rooney: Just kick like I do. I don't know how to make this any simpler for you
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I've heard this is pretty much how Glen Hoddle's stint as England manager went.
 
I'm very interested to see how Cesc Fabregas does in his managerial career. On paper he has all the tools needed to become a good coach.

Keeping Como in the Serie A would be a good first step for him towards bigger and better things.
 
DJ_21 said:
But the guy who won the UCL won it with Chelsea and actually he did in 22/23
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No he didn't, Bayern were already top when Tuchel joined 3/4th into the season and they actually did worse afterwards. Bayern needed Dortmund to lose their match at home to win the title.

Just saying that it's pretty clear winning the title with the current Bayern squad, Naglesmann didn't even have Kane but rather had Choupo Moting, is not a given.

Naglesmann coached Bayern and Germany, he's not up and coming but an established top level manager.
 
Michael Carrick will get the United job in about 8 years
 
Well, that's fun. The OP is asking for an evaluation of coaches and gives a couple of examples, and now everyone is just discussing the examples and adding to them. Anyone wants to actually evaluate a coach?

(Sorry, not me either, I don't follow any of these closely enough to talk about these criteria.)
 
Cheimoon said:
Well, that's fun. The OP is asking for an evaluation of coaches and gives a couple of examples, and now everyone is just discussing the examples and adding to them. Anyone wants to actually evaluate a coach?

(Sorry, not me either, I don't follow any of these closely enough to talk about these criteria.)
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Just bluff it. Barring Arteta there's like max 5 people on this forum who'd know enough about any given one of them to catch you out. Talk about Thiago Motta's spell at Flamengo, if anyone pipes up I'll help fight your corner against them, it'll be fine.
 
Skills said:
Young = 45 years old or younger.

There seems to be quite a few of them around at the moment:

Xabi Alonso
Ruben Amorin
Julian Nagelsmann
Thiago Motta
Mikel Arteta
Xavi Hernandez
Kieran McKenna

Anyone else? From what you've seen so far how would you rate these and other contenders for the following:

Coaching - the plan A. The bread and butter that wins 90% of games

Player development - how much do players improve under their guidance?

Tactically - ability to change it up, substitutions and in bigger games against better opponents

Man Management - how quickly do they recover from set backs. The team mentality they instill

Flexibility - how do they cope with change? I.e. the way ancelotti dealt with not having a striker last season.

Talent ID - how good are they at identifying talent at the clubs. Players who should have a prominent role in the team and those who shouldn't.

Personality - can they cope with a big job or big pressure?

Any obvious flaws that you can see so far - that unless they fix them, will hold them back? I.e. can Amorin be as good with 4atb, which most top clubs are set up for?

Obviously someone like Alonso has already achieved a fair bit by his BL win last season, but they're all on different stages of their trajectory.
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And yet people doubt whether Pep is the goat (or at least the most influential manager of all time). Look at his students on that list: Alonso, Arteta, Xavi. Also Kompany. Pirlo even wrote his dissertation about adapting the Pep’s way to Juventus.

Who did Ferguson, Mourinho, or Ancelotti even have an influence on? Carlos Queiroz? Ole? Wayne Rooney?
 
Roger Myerson said:
And yet people doubt whether Pep is the goat (or at least the most influential manager of all time). Look at his students on that list: Alonso, Arteta, Xavi. Also Kompany. Pirlo even wrote his dissertation about adapting the Pep’s way to Juventus.

Who did Ferguson, Mourinho, or Ancelotti even have an influence on? Carlos Queiroz? Ole? Wayne Rooney?
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This is a list of managers who played under Fergie and their win rates. Healy at the top there seems to only have managed in Northern Ireland, so not as yet tested at a higher level. There's some in there who've had very decent careers and some more who are on course to do so but not anyone yet whose made the waves of Alonso and Arteta.

1. David Healy – 63.26%
2. Laurent Blanc – 60.31%
3. Ruud van Nistelrooy – 55.45%
4. Michael Carrick – 53.73%
5. Ole Gunnar Solskjaer – 53.17%
6. Ryan Giggs – 48.28%
7. Jordi Cruyff – 46.67%
8. Henning Berg – 45.97%
9. Gordon Strachan – 44.35%
10. Phil Neville – 43.65%
11. Darren Ferguson – 42.47%
12. Gabriel Heinze – 41.24%
13. Paul Parker – 39.6%
14. Richie Wellens – 39.4%
15. Paul Ince – 39.2%
16. Roy Keane – 38.7%
17. Mark Robins – 38.53%
18. Michael Appleton – 37.6%
19 Mark Hughes – 37.4%
20. Steve Bruce – 37.2%
21. Frank Stapleton – 36.43%
22. Bryan Robson – 36.34%
23. Henrik Larsson – 35.75%
24. Gary Neville – 35.71%
25. Diego Forlan – 34.78%
26. Viv Anderson – 34.61%
27. Jaap Stam – 34.4%
28. Chris Turner – 31.56%
29. Paul Scholes – 30.77%
30. Chris Casper – 27.06%
31. Wayne Rooney – 26.1%
32. Mike Phelan – 25.0%
33. Teddy Sheringham – 23.3%
 
Roger Myerson said:
Who did Ferguson, Mourinho, or Ancelotti even have an influence on?
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When you count Pep as an influence on Alonso, you have to count Mou and Ancelotti as well. Alonso played for them and learned a lot from them.
 
Thiago Motta is a real top coach in the makings, I'd bet my balls on it.


No actually I wouldn't bet my balls - the ball is round, you never know in football, I wouldn't risk them.

But I'm really confident about it.

He's got that no-bullshit attitude in leadership

And he's got that pragmatism in setting up the team - expansive but always balanced, solidity-first approach.
 
crossy1686 said:
Lopategui, Benitez, Solari, Pellegrini, Ramos, Capello, Queiroz etc are all managers in recent memory who 'failed' at Madrid and didn't exactly land another big gig after that. It's the same for United in that sense, if you bottle a big job like that another big team won't touch you, mostly because of the fan narrative of 'they failed at Madrid so how can they be good enough for us - Madrid reject' etc.
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Pellegrini got Man City job, Capello got England Job, Queiroz went back to man united then Portugal NT. The rest got mid table clubs. Hardly a failing.
 
abundance said:
Thiago Motta is a real top coach in the makings, I'd bet my balls on it.


No actually I wouldn't bet my balls - the ball is round, you never know in football, I wouldn't risk them.

But I'm really confident about it.

He's got that no-bullshit attitude in leadership

And he's got that pragmatism in setting up the team - expansive but always balanced, solidity-first approach.
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Him and Arteta are currently the two best managers at setting up a defense IMO, by far, especially from the names on this list.
 
crossy1686 said:
Exactly, they all took a step down. You don't take those jobs when your career is in the ascendancy.
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Capello didn't really fail in Madrid.

Came once in 96, won the league, and bailed out because he wanted to go back to Milan.
Came again ten years later, won the league and was told to scram.

After that he chose to go into NT for the last part of his career.

He did pursuit the England job because it was a big dream of him to manage them before calling it quits.

Then he did Russia for the thrill of another WC, and finally did a stint in China to fatten his pension fund
 
crossy1686 said:
Yeah I’m sure leaving Madrid for Everton is exactly the same as leaving Madrid for, let’s say Bayern.
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You are aware that Ancelotti actually went to Bayern 2016, after being sacked by Madrid?
After Bayern sacked him he went to Napoli, only after they sacked him he did go to Everton.
 
stefan92 said:
You are aware that Ancelotti actually went to Bayern 2016, after being sacked by Madrid?
After Bayern sacked him he went to Napoli, only after they sacked him he did go to Everton.
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Yep, that’s why I didn’t name Ancelotti originally, just the other 7 or so managers that aren’t one of the greatest managers to ever live.
 
crossy1686 said:
Yep, that’s why I didn’t name Ancelotti originally, just the other 7 or so managers that aren’t one of the greatest managers to ever live.
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At first you confused me.

Then I realized that it was Benitez who moved from Real to Newcastle (and then to Everton) and that's why you mentioned Everton as an example. :lol:
 
stefan92 said:
At first you confused me.

Then I realized that it was Benitez who moved from Real to Newcastle (and then to Everton) and that's why you mentioned Everton as an example. :lol:
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:lol: I understand the confusion, there surprisingly happens to be a rich recent history of Madrid managers going on to manage Everton.
 
duffer said:
McKenna might go on to do great things but he's wildly out of place on that list. Finished 2nd in the Championship with Ipswich is very good but come on, the other dudes have won leagues, cups and are already doing well at Champions League clubs.
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Yet he was Chelsea’s first choice in the summer
 
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