The new FIFA Club World Cup ( US 2025), with 32 teams.

I disagree with many about this. Yes the timing, and selection of clubs, is odd but there’s absolutely a need to have a prestigious tournament that pits clubs who would otherwise never meet up against each other in different parts of the world.

I’m not sure what the best way to do this would be given seasons and schedules differ so much, but yeah. It’s needed.
 
For us it replaces the lost CL money for this season. Ideally we wouldn’t want to play in this given the overload on the players but financially we just can’t say no. Fortunately we have a big squad so we can have a go at it and also rotate at the same time.

A minimum £50-60m is huge and could plug any PSR gap, especially given we still don’t have a sponsor.
 
I disagree with many about this. Yes the timing, and selection of clubs, is odd but there’s absolutely a need to have a prestigious tournament that pits clubs who would otherwise never meet up against each other in different parts of the world.

I’m not sure what the best way to do this would be given seasons and schedules differ so much, but yeah. It’s needed.

Exactly. And also this could potentially balance a bit of the power to the rest of the continent. With this kind of money the rest of the continent can have more money for football infrastructure, development, keep their star players and whatnot.
 
I disagree with many about this. Yes the timing, and selection of clubs, is odd but there’s absolutely a need to have a prestigious tournament that pits clubs who would otherwise never meet up against each other in different parts of the world.

I’m not sure what the best way to do this would be given seasons and schedules differ so much, but yeah. It’s needed.

Absolutely agreed - I'm actually gutted that United are so shite that they have no chance of participating in this. Watching United win the Club World Cup in 2008 is still one of my favorite football moments bar PL and CL wins.
 
Absolutely agreed - I'm actually gutted that United are so shite that they have no chance of participating in this. Watching United win the Club World Cup in 2008 is still one of my favorite football moments bar PL and CL wins.
Yeah I agree with you.

I mean I’ve never been a fan of the format really but there’s a charm about playing clubs like River Plate, Boca, Vasco da Gama etc.

It’s an absolute must for me!
 
Yeah I agree with you.

I mean I’ve never been a fan of the format really but there’s a charm about playing clubs like River Plate, Boca, Vasco da Gama etc.

It’s an absolute must for me!

Yes! Also, being official FIFA Club World Champions has an incredible ring to it.
 
Too many miserable folk around football now.

For sure :lol:

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I disagree with many about this. Yes the timing, and selection of clubs, is odd but there’s absolutely a need to have a prestigious tournament that pits clubs who would otherwise never meet up against each other in different parts of the world.

I’m not sure what the best way to do this would be given seasons and schedules differ so much, but yeah. It’s needed.
Exactly. Football isnt only played in Europe guys. My local South African team, Mamelodi Sundowns, is going to play in it and we cant wait for the tournament. Even our players are excited to play in it.
 
The 2025 FIFA Club World Cup is the planned 21st edition of the FIFA Club World Cup, an international club soccer competition organized by FIFA. The tournament is scheduled to be played in the United States from June 15 to July 13, 2025. It is planned to be the first under an expanded format with 32 teams, including the winners of the four previous continental championships.

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It's just great the way they don't list the names.
 
Yes it's meaningless and they just found a way to shoehorn them in because Messi.

This is often used as some sort of silver bullet argument on here, but for this tournament, it's simply not true. You're also in that paragraph putting fans and clubs on the same level - I have no doubt most clubs will view it seriously, due to the prize money announced.

The fact it's still talked about in the conditional form 8 months out from the start is rather telling. It's a silly tournament that is just borne out of FIFA's greediness and jealousy of UEFA's CL product.

On what basis is it not true? I’m from Asia, have friends that support Al-Ahly and Seattle Sounders and I follow Flamengo in Brasil. There absolutely is huge excitement about this tournament, regardless of whether European fans agree.
 
On what basis is it not true? I’m from Asia, have friends that support Al-Ahly and Seattle Sounders and I follow Flamengo in Brasil. There absolutely is huge excitement about this tournament, regardless of whether European fans agree.
They dont understand what it means for teams outside Europe.
 
Yeah this is dumb. No one has been thirsting for these matchups. Our players need fewer matches, not more.
No one. How many again is no one?
I like the idea of this tournament.

I think this is a masterstroke from FIFA.

This tournament will replace the Champions League as the premier tournament in club football. It's so, so obvious that this will happen. And it will capture the interest and imagination that the UCL had at its absolute peak.

Of course you'll get the usual crowd coming out beforehand to give it a kicking, but come back in nine months time and this thread will look like the first five pages of the 'Cole Palmer to Chelsea' one.

I like the idea but that scheduling is horrible for the participating European teams. Didn’t check the dates of the non-European leagues.

I disagree with many about this. Yes the timing, and selection of clubs, is odd but there’s absolutely a need to have a prestigious tournament that pits clubs who would otherwise never meet up against each other in different parts of the world.

I’m not sure what the best way to do this would be given seasons and schedules differ so much, but yeah. It’s needed.

Exactly. And also this could potentially balance a bit of the power to the rest of the continent. With this kind of money the rest of the continent can have more money for football infrastructure, development, keep their star players and whatnot.

Absolutely agreed - I'm actually gutted that United are so shite that they have no chance of participating in this. Watching United win the Club World Cup in 2008 is still one of my favorite football moments bar PL and CL wins.

Exactly. Football isnt only played in Europe guys. My local South African team, Mamelodi Sundowns, is going to play in it and we cant wait for the tournament. Even our players are excited to play in it.

On what basis is it not true? I’m from Asia, have friends that support Al-Ahly and Seattle Sounders and I follow Flamengo in Brasil. There absolutely is huge excitement about this tournament, regardless of whether European fans agree.
 
On what basis is it not true? I’m from Asia, have friends that support Al-Ahly and Seattle Sounders and I follow Flamengo in Brasil. There absolutely is huge excitement about this tournament, regardless of whether European fans agree.
My trips in Asia and South America, chatting with football fans - I'm not saying there's not excited people of course, just these kind of blanket statements "this means so much to those clubs" etc. aren't particularly helpful. There's some fans that love the idea of it, some that don't, pretty much exactly like European fans. It's just an argument that annoys me, pretending there's some sort of consensus everywhere else.
 
Finally a tournament that will be easy to boycot. Hope it fails spectacularly and turns out a money burning operation. It will only lead to an even bigger gap between top clubs and the rest of the field if it stays.
 
My trips in Asia and South America, chatting with football fans - I'm not saying there's not excited people of course, just these kind of blanket statements "this means so much to those clubs" etc. aren't particularly helpful. There's some fans that love the idea of it, some that don't, pretty much exactly like European fans. It's just an argument that annoys me, pretending there's some sort of consensus everywhere else.
That there is different levels of interest among individuals is hard to disagree with.

However, you wrote ‘this is simply not true’ about the statement ‘I think people underestimate how big this is for people from South America, Asia and Africa’, and that is for me a strange thing to claim. It’s evident even from this thread that there are people who underestimate that, and probably quite a few of them.
 
That there is different levels of interest among individuals is hard to disagree with.

However, you wrote ‘this is simply not true’ about the statement ‘I think people underestimate how big this is for people from South America, Asia and Africa’, and that is for me a strange thing to claim. It’s evident even from this thread that there are people who underestimate that, and probably quite a few of them.
What I'm disagreeing with is the "how big this is for people..." as a blanket statement.
 
I think this is a masterstroke from FIFA.

This tournament will replace the Champions League as the premier tournament in club football. It's so, so obvious that this will happen. And it will capture the interest and imagination that the UCL had at its absolute peak.

Of course you'll get the usual crowd coming out beforehand to give it a kicking, but come back in nine months time and this thread will look like the first five pages of the 'Cole Palmer to Chelsea' one.

Didn't exactly work out for any of the recently introduced tournaments. I don't know whether or not for instance the Nation's League is hugely profitable but even if it is, it received nowhere near the acceptance they hoped for. People didn't care about the tournament before and they won't now. Chances are it will meet a similar end as the Confed Cup eventually.
 
I'm looking forward to it. Will be at the Chelsea vs Leon game in Atlanta. There is a quarterfinal that will happen in Atlanta, I hope the ticket prices are not outrageous, as I would like to go to that also.
 
Didn't exactly work out for any of the recently introduced tournaments. I don't know whether or not for instance the Nation's League is hugely profitable but even if it is, it received nowhere near the acceptance they hoped for. People didn't care about the tournament before and they won't now. Chances are it will meet a similar end as the Confed Cup eventually.
The winner of Nations league only makes about €8M total, you make 10M by reaching Euro’s round of 16 and about 30M winning the Euro.

This Fifa competition will be as lucrative as the Champions league. And about 2 to 3 times more than the Copa Libertadores. Eventually it is money that motivates football clubs.
 
Didn't exactly work out for any of the recently introduced tournaments. I don't know whether or not for instance the Nation's League is hugely profitable but even if it is, it received nowhere near the acceptance they hoped for. People didn't care about the tournament before and they won't now. Chances are it will meet a similar end as the Confed Cup eventually.
I actually think people care more about the Nations League than abozut random friendlies, so mission accomplished I'd say. Also you have teams like San Marino and Gibraltar actually playing their peers and winning games.
 
The winner of Nations league only makes about €8M total, you make 10M by reaching Euro’s round of 16 and about 30M winning the Euro.

This Fifa competition will be as lucrative as the Champions league. And about 2 to 3 times more than the Copa Libertadores. Eventually it is money that motivates football clubs.
The prize money is so high because they want to get the clubs on board. But if it won't amortise, the clubs will lose interest as well.


I actually think people care more about the Nations League than abozut random friendlies, so mission accomplished I'd say. Also you have teams like San Marino and Gibraltar actually playing their peers and winning games.

I don't think >50% of the football fans could tell you who won the Nations League, how the format works or in which tier (is it claled like this?) their nation plays.
 
I’m all for it, and I hope City and Chelsea reach the final, playing their best teams for 90 mins, game in, game out. I’m particularly all for the impact this will have on their domestic season. FIFA doing the lords work here, as long as they have City and Chelsea….English football’s two biggest cheats….as the representatives of the PL. For such a corrupt, greedy money grab, there is something deliciously apt about those two being the English two that take part.

It’s clear that most clubs, at least the big clubs, have no interest in this at a manager and player level. And why would they? It’s an absurdity that endangers their regular season. Owners, of course, see the cash. This will all escalate quickly once we get an inevitable injury to a big player. Just imagine the reaction if an Mbappe or Haaland tears an ACL at this shambles of a tournament, playing against the Pyongyang Pirates or Washington Wizards.

Complete joke of a tournament, but you feel it’ll be a success now that PIF are buying into Dazn and Dazn are suddenly bidding $1bn for the free to air rights to watch Flamengo pump Al-Titty 12-0 on a Wednesday afternoon in the middle of summer. A deal which I think every savvy business minded person will agree makes perfect sense for a company losing around a billion a year. There’s absolutely nothing fishy going on here.
 
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I’m all for it, and I hope City and Chelsea reach the final, playing their best teams for 90 mins, game in, game out. I’m particularly all for the impact this will have on their domestic season. FIFA doing the lords work here, as long as they have City and Chelsea….English football’s two biggest cheats….as the representatives of the PL. For such a corrupt, greedy money grab, there is something deliciously apt about those two being the English two that take part.

It’s clear that most clubs, at least the big clubs, have no interest in this at a manager and player level. And why would they? It’s an absurdity that endangers their regular season. Owners, of course, see the cash. This will all escalate quickly once we get an inevitable injury to a big player. Just imagine the reaction if an Mbappe or Haaland tears an ACL at this shambles of a tournament, playing against the Pyongyang Pirates or Washington Wizards.

Complete joke of a tournament, but you feel it’ll be a success now that PIF are buying into Dazn and Dazn are suddenly bidding $1bn for the free to air rights to watch Flamengo pump Al-Titty 12-0 on a Wednesday afternoon in the middle of summer. A deal which I think every savvy business minded person will agree makes perfect sense for a company losing around a billion a year. There’s absolutely nothing fishy going on here.
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I’m all for it, and I hope City and Chelsea reach the final, playing their best teams for 90 mins, game in, game out. I’m particularly all for the impact this will have on their domestic season. FIFA doing the lords work here, as long as they have City and Chelsea….English football’s two biggest cheats….as the representatives of the PL. For such a corrupt, greedy money grab, there is something deliciously apt about those two being the English two that take part.

It’s clear that most clubs, at least the big clubs, have no interest in this at a manager and player level. And why would they? It’s an absurdity that endangers their regular season. Owners, of course, see the cash. This will all escalate quickly once we get an inevitable injury to a big player. Just imagine the reaction if an Mbappe or Haaland tears an ACL at this shambles of a tournament, playing against the Pyongyang Pirates or Washington Wizards.

Complete joke of a tournament, but you feel it’ll be a success now that PIF are buying into Dazn and Dazn are suddenly bidding $1bn for the free to air rights to watch Flamengo pump Al-Titty 12-0 on a Wednesday afternoon in the middle of summer. A deal which I think every savvy business minded person will agree makes perfect sense for a company losing around a billion a year. There’s absolutely nothing fishy going on here.

That's one way of avoiding FFP issues
 
I've said it before, but the most idiotic thing is that the winners of the 2025 champions league won't be competing in this (unless they are one of the teams already qualified).
 
They might end up replacing City
If City is thrown out they will be replaced by Inter Milan the finalist of 2023 (already qualified) paving the way for the next eligible so basically the next english club in the ranking, Liverpool. After that Ajax is the next club on the line.


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If City is thrown out they will be replaced by Inter Milan the finalist of 2023 (already qualified) paving the way for the next eligible so basically the next english club in the ranking, Liverpool. After that Ajax is the next club on the line.


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That would be funny, but how does a potential Premier League sanction affect a historic CL win.

That doesn't work
 
That would be funny, but how does a potential Premier League sanction affect a historic CL win.

That doesn't work

There is a precedent :

« While São Paulo's were looking to defend their title, after victory in the previous edition. Marseille, the winners of 1992–93 UEFA Champions League were not allowed to participate, because of match-fixing scandal involving the club, which saw them stripped from 1992–93 French Division 1 title and banned from international club competitions (1993–94 UEFA Champions League, 1993 European Super Cup and Intercontinental Cup). Because of the scandal, Milan was allowed to play in both the Super Cup and the Intercontinental Cup. »