24m....that's the equivalent of signing a young lad from a 2nd division Dutch side. Pay the money.....
The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked
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Great, first we get taken apart by Liverpool on the pitch, now we've got Liverpool fans making considered/balanced posts... when will this nightmare end? (Joking, good post, agree with most of it if I could add a caveat that some of the players have been shite and bear some responsibility imo).
Heard that too (Talksport is usually shite especially Durham and Gough but Kelly, Strachan and Jordan I always find ok).
I didn't think of £24m or £18m and go "that's high" though. I just thought "get rid now .... it only costs an extra £6m".
For a while I've wanted a replacement (say Jardim for example) so he can spend the next few months to see who he's keeping, who's getting sold, who he wants in and start embedding a style of football (similar to above post, bolded bit). Then when we hit August 19, we hit the ground running ... £6m is nothing to our club, especially if it meant a better 2019/20.
Feck. I thought we were signing a great potential but then realized which thread I am in...
I think everyone at this point can agree that he never should have had the extention.
My reaction at the time was at least it's only a year extension. At least it will be easy to get rid of him.
Wrong. We're run by idiots.
If that is indeed true then Woodward should be sacked for gross incompetence.
I can confidently say Klopp won't give a monkeys about comments from him or other coaches about his players. He did with Fabinho and Keita what he has done with a number of new players over the years, ease them in, let them learn his methods first. Rather than throw them in, and see them falter too much at the start.
I think the criticism of Fred is harsh by the way for those very reasons, people just are so impatient these days, if a player doesn't hit the ground running, he's a failure within 4 months! It's crazy.
What nonsense! There were people who were unhappy with the appointment. I was one of those. He had come out of a disaster at Chelsea. I've always been one that has been about youth football and attacking play. I was worried about the likes of Rashford when Mourinho came.
Just because some fans changed their mind at a later stage (nothing wrong with that), doesn't mean many other fans weren't woke.
With him not being sacked today I have come to terms with the fact that he'll be here until top 4 is mathematically impossibly.
Today would have been the perfect opportunity to get rid. Poor league position, poor press conferences and a performances so cowardly, it embarrassing.
That being said, I can sort of understand why we're sticking with him. Zidance, Conte and Jardim aren't options. If they were, I think Mourinho would've gone by now.
Interim is a possibility, one that I don't see any of the above accepting, so we either go with them or wait.
I think Mourinho himself though, he's trying to get the sack right now.
Falling out with the players, calling the board, press conferences saying how crap we are etc. It's like he's forcing the board to act. We look like idiots, yet we stick with him. I think he's enjoying this.
Today would have been the perfect opportunity to get rid. Poor league position, poor press conferences and a performances so cowardly, it embarrassing.
That being said, I can sort of understand why we're sticking with him. Zidance, Conte and Jardim aren't options. If they were, I think Mourinho would've gone by now.
Interim is a possibility, one that I don't see any of the above accepting, so we either go with them or wait.
I think Mourinho himself though, he's trying to get the sack right now.
Falling out with the players, calling the board, press conferences saying how crap we are etc. It's like he's forcing the board to act. We look like idiots, yet we stick with him. I think he's enjoying this.
Yep Klopp has done a good job with those two by easing them in. The difference with Fred is our midfield was crap aside from Pogba therefore we needed him to be in the side from the beginning and to play every game possible. Liverpools midfield already had players performing to a very high standard. If Mourinho had the managed the squad better the demand for Fred to play would've been much less. Anyways klopp has eased them in whilst also staying near the top of the league and can now reap the benefits of fresh legs during the busy Christmas period.
How is he still here? Surely (and I hate saying this and doing this) we have to protest against the board and Mourinho?
This can't keep going on.....we are the laughing stock of football right now
This can't keep going on.....we are the laughing stock of football right now
It’s astounding how we have these principles. Imagine hearing a mid to bottom Premier League team had this principle of not sacking a manager unless it’s mathematically impossible to stay up, with staying up as the bare minimum expectation (like CL places is our bare minimum).
That team would be laughed at and everyone would say how crazy they were.
That team would be laughed at and everyone would say how crazy they were.
I think he will be sacked before that. This month or early next month.
Should have our answers in the next couple of weeks. If we fail to beat Cardiff and he's still here, safe to say he's staying until top 4 is mathematically impossible.
I think your right. If we go with the mathematically impossible solution again, we are the worst driven club in football.
I don't think either one of those two is likely. Not really sure who we could get, all the best managerial talents are already at big clubs and I doubt we'd gamble on a more unknown quantity.
Conte no thanks but wondering why you think jardim and zidane aren’t options
I can't see us getting Poch, just doesn't quite fit for me. Spurs are a pain in the ass to deal with and Poch won't make a fuss. The money it would take to bring him here would be too much for a manager. Can't see it, unless Spurs finish the season badly.
If we do limp on with the lame duck stinking up Carrington,. he better not be allowed any say over the transfer market in January. Leave all decisions re. Buying and selling players to the new manager
Last thing we need is Jose signing a few more 30 year olds he coached 8 years ago.
We cant let him sign anyone imo. We do need atleast one new player.
I cant understand the argument floating around that we have no options to replace him with. That makes no sense. At this point even Rodgers would make more sense.
Any player we sign won't be a Mourinho signing. Already very clear we aren't backing him in the market. Makes it even more bizarre that we'd keep him on.
I've never got this either, or why we continue to do it with each manager. You'd think we'd have learnt after doing this with two managers already, and having to face the subsequent season out of the Champions League each time. It's like waiting until someone is dead before you call an ambulance.
Bizarre is the keyword. Sacking him now could also make the rest of the season somewhat interesting. I remember the buzz when Giggs was the caretaker. It felt good and it was exciting.
I think because most of us expected things to magically return to normal now big meanie Moyes was gone. 5 years and 2 more managers down the line, we know it will be anything but. There's a huge overhaul to come if this club is going to get any better.
It was relief more than anything. We need new life breathing into the club again.
Makes it sound even worse.
I think everyone at this point can agree that he never should have had the extention.
I dunno, it might teach the club not to be so naive where contract negotiations are concerned in the future.
That article in the DOF thread was bizarre - a litany of woes about everything from results to performances, league position to attitudes...yet the board's stance is they 'remain supportive of the manager'; how is that even possible, given the concerns listed?
Please do.
It's just my personal opinion that Mourinho staying is a dangerous game. He doesn't want to be at United as much United dont want him. The problem I see is keeping him happy while he is still here. They will sign a defender in Jan just to keep him happy. What happens come/March April time frame when hes not been consulted on future signings. He will know the writing is on the wall and I can't see him giving the job his full commitment knowing he's gone at the end of the year . We need someone that has red blood in there veins. I'd get rid of Mourinho now and stick Roy Keane in on temp basis. At least he'd have the respect of every played at the club.
Not sure on Carrick as manager at the moment. He's played with most of the squad and will be too pally with them. I'm sure he'll get scrutinised for picking his 'mates'. So maybe in a 10 years time or so.
Klopp and Guardiola were also unknown quantities prior to Barcelona and Dortmund. Heck people here believed Klopp was not one of the best managerial talents either because of his paltry trophy count compared to Mourinho.
We don't need someone known/proven. We need excellence now. Someone who can do brilliant work now. Couldn't care less if it's Eddie Howe.
Agreed, I just don't think the higher ups feel the same way we do unfortunately.
After all the money pissed up the wall, I seriously cannot see United shirking from the compo they'd need to pay Spurs for Potchettino if he's the main choice.
I think I'd rather see him at United over Zidane.
I think I'd rather see him at United over Zidane.
Only thing with Pochettino is that he's not all that attacking a manager. Maybe with more money he would be
At this start of this season, I honestly felt we would be title challengers, after Jose improved us in his first two years. Yes, some performances were garbage last season, but we were mentally strong and well organised; a platform to build upon. The summer transfer shambles worried me, but not excessively so. However, what we've seen in 2018-19 so far is a train wreck of a club, and not all the blame lies at Jose's door. That said, it's obvious that relationships have broken down and we need to seriously think about a fresh start.
I don't want to be a panic merchant who demands managers be sacked every five minutes, but it's very hard to see a way back for Jose at this point. Swallow our pride, pay him off and approach Spurs about Poch. We can't carry on like this.
I don't want to be a panic merchant who demands managers be sacked every five minutes, but it's very hard to see a way back for Jose at this point. Swallow our pride, pay him off and approach Spurs about Poch. We can't carry on like this.
Not sold on Howe. Can't defend and has a poor record against the biggies. Klopp at Dortmund was a different beast
Have you any examples of young players signed from a 2nd division Dutch club for such amounts ?
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