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The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked
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That there ia the biggest problem. You want to wait till we fall away from the team which is currently poorest in terms of reaults among the traditional top 6. No interest in actually gaining towards the top most team in that group. This is the same mentality I am sure the board has and that's why we are in such a crap situation.
In any case, the second place masked a lot of issues we had last season which have become worse this season. Really cannot see anything than an acrimonious separation. The sooner the better for all concerned as it will allow the new manager time to assess and then try to redeem this season and plan for the next. If this season has to be a write-off, I would rather it be with someone at the helm who has a plan for the future for us.
So I don't think we should go for him just cause he's available and made a result with Madrid. That would be a lazy, safe choice, similar to last 2 appoitments.
I think he is now more interested in being proved right than the actual result in a game and that was the final straw for me.
Whatever argument he may have about being backed in the transfer market, or how he deals with Players, He should be putting out his strongest team with the best chance of winning, not hanging a young player out to dry in a position they are unfamiliar with.
That was the moment he lost my support.
Pathetic stuff from the board for keep delaying the inevitable. How long must they wait until how far we really fall off the cliff? They had no confidence in Mourinho in the market so why are they keeping him now in this perilous position? Fans anger should directed at them (Woodward and Glazers) than the manager.
Yep 100%. changing to a back 3 instead of the formation we've used recently and done well with in away games was stupid.
Using Mctominay in defence when we've got Jones / Bailly on the bench was stupid.
Proceeding to change to a back 4, subbing Lindelof instead of Mctominay was stupid.
Subbing Pogba and Martial when trying to win a game was stupid.
Leaving Sanchez out of the entire squad was stupid.
The word "prevention" is lost on many of his supporters. What is there to gain by waiting to get rid of him when things reach a truly low point when it should be done now ?
They won't sack Mourinho before it's impossible for us to play in the Champions League next year and rightly so.
Chelsea hung on to Jose far too long in his second spell. You may not regard Chelsea worthy of it's salt but they showed loyalty towards Jose. Too much loyalty which cost them Champions league football. They probably wouldn't have won or even progressed beyond the group stages anyway. The board let him stay until they were 1 point from the relegation zone. Champions league was already gone but when survival in the PL became a serious possibility they fired him.
There's no way Jose would have resigned at Chelsea and there is no way he will resign at Utd. A) The pay off is far too big (£15m?) B) Jose doesn't admit defeat.
Chelsea sacked Jose 17th December 2015. I think there is every chance Utd will sack him before December 2018.
When he was leaving Chelsea last time, were they already mathematically out of top 4? I don’t think so, though I might be wrong. Do you think they should’ve sticked with him longer?
Careful what you wish for. The sacking of JM might well only highlight the ineptitude of the whole 'house of cards'. What's going to happen when it becomes apparent to Zidane or whoever that he faces the same problems too?
Still not sacked...every morning...it’s the hope that kills you
And this is why we are behind the rest. The likes of Real Madrid, Barcelona, and Bayern don't mess around with poor run of results and replace the manager while still salvageable while we stand still and persist until we finished below 6th. This happened with Moyes and LVG and it sickens me. This club is effectively writing off two seasons with one stone and forever be in 'transition' until someone competent comes in change our approach
Rightly so? we're clearly going absolutely nowhere under Mourinho this season. Waiting until we're 16th on the table coming up to Christmas is not only insulting to the fans, but downright stupid when the season can still be saved. The man has completely lost the plot.
The problem is Woody. Unfortunately he is not going anywhere anytime soon. As long as the club is making truckloads of money, Woody will be around and the failed appointments made by him will continue.
It's downright frightening that critical footballing decisions in the world's biggest football club is made by an executive that knows nothing of the spirit of the club. It also irks me to no end during games that we are losing that he is smiling and joking with people in the crowd. I've seen it a few times now. The man doesn't care because the money is still rolling in. Screw the football side of things.
It's downright frightening that critical footballing decisions in the world's biggest football club is made by an executive that knows nothing of the spirit of the club. It also irks me to no end during games that we are losing that he is smiling and joking with people in the crowd. I've seen it a few times now. The man doesn't care because the money is still rolling in. Screw the football side of things.
There'll be an open revolt by then.
You mean the same players who won the FA cup for Conte in that last season?
Conte was sacked because of his power struggle with the board, complaints about not getting enough players, escalating the whole Costa issues which costs the club extra cash in transfer money and employing even more defensive tactics with a 3-5-2. No player downed tools on Conte.
Not sure on Zidane myself but Mourinho absolutely has to go. Can't imagine you agree with that, tbf.
With what? Mourinho going?
Yes? Keeping a manager who is clearly failing is madness. Who comes in next isn't up to me so I'll let the people who are paid to do that decide.
We're going in circles. I don't think we should keep Mourinho. I fear tho that people who are deciding it will make a wrong decision again without looking in advance what's best for the club.
So if they manage to retain CL football should they keep Jose?
I think it's difficult to judge when a team is out of the Champions League. The mathematics has far too many variables when you don't know how other teams are going to perform.
The decision will be made on gut instincts at board level. Utd are only 5 points off CL spots with 31 games to go so there isn't any point in panicking at the moment. If Utd are 10 points off with 24 games left it is still possible to claw back but it's going to be very difficult. If, however, at that point in time say PSG or Real come in with a bid of £90m for Pogba the board might be tempted to sell him and retain Jose. I can't see this happening and the boards confidence in Jose's ability to turn things around must at least be shaken by now. I suspect they will hang on a bit longer until it is more obvious that Jose has seriously imploded. If he goes now he can still argue in the payoff negotiations that they didn't support him enough.
Whatever happens it isn't going to be easy.
Was only a Grade A cnut to seasoned Grade A cnuts (Costa and Mourinho).
As for the football, season 1 was revolutionary. Season 2 was the cousin of shit on stick.
So yeah I agree with you, Conte is definitely not the solution to your Jose problem.
Yeah. People have forgotten how important was for Bayern hiring LVG and then firing him on time, before the lost the CL. Next year they went to the final and then the rest is history.
I think you could be right about us not sacking him as long as CL qualification for next season is still possible. Unfortunately this will probably not be until March/April next year. Pointless to keep him that long if we have another rebuilding job to get underway. Might as well get it underway asap rather than in 6 months time.
You don't think we should keep him? I'm shocked, aren't you one of his biggest fans on here that constantly defends him?
Well I honestly don't see how it could get much worse so action really has to be taken. I don't mind if the club wants some time to sort the best candidate but I would rather something is sorted before the season is a total write off.
Yeah I really can't see them sacking Mourinho until we get eliminated from the CL and the top four is either mathematically impossible or when he manages to repeat for us what he did with Chelsea. Don't think it was mathematically impossible for you to reach the top four, but lying on the 16th is obviously unacceptable unless it's the first or second gameweek.
I'm not one of the biggest fans, more I'm amazed in how bad state this forum is. Even now it's all about scoring points and calling Mourinho all sorts of names.
Tbh I'd give it to Carrick before deciding what to do next and what is the plan for the future, together with appointing a DoF. Not that any of that will happen.
Another morning I wake up and he’s still our manager. Sigh 
We should move when, and only when, we have an idea who will do the rebuilding. Either hire a DoF first or identify a proper long-term replacement. Both LvG and Jose were seen as quick fixes, bringers of stability and bridge managers. Another one or two year project and we're having the same discussion in two years time.
Another morning I wake up and he’s still our manager. Sigh
I remember reading similar posts re LVG just 3 years ago. This is depressing...
It would be interesting to see what happens if we lose to Valencia...
This is a watershed moment, you have been converted away from blindly defending a manager who is totally and utterly underperforming. Well I'll level with you here, I think the point scoring is all coming from the 'Mourinho in' camp. They refuse to back down no matter what happens, all in the hope that things turn around and they can say 'told ya so'. I literally see no other reason why anyone would want him to stay? I mean, we are hopeless on the pitch and the negative bollox surrounding the club off the pitch is tedious and counterproductive. I wanted him and thought he would be great but I was wrong.
Aye, Carrick as an interim is what myself and others have mooted. All I know is that Jose is done. Wins in our next two games will be a papering over cracks exercise if it were to happen.
TalkShite reckon it’s imminent. People waking up and hoping he’s been sacked each morning need to be a bit more realistic. Can’t see him going before the game tomorrow now so just ride it out and see what happens.
I dont think a great deal will.The fanbase have peaked with their dissatisfaction with Jose and the club.
I think a victory will be far more interesting interms of response.
Are United still playing for Jose ?
Did they beat Valencia purely because it's a glamour tie ? etc
Yep. Bayern sacked Ancelotti after 6 league games and a loss in their Champions League opener. He lost the players there and they moved quickly.
If we piss about again, then I’d say the guys at the top are just as culpable as Mourinho.
Anyone got the full Telegraph article?
Its sad that i wanted Moyes out, The Idiot out and now i want Mou out. I dont think its me being impatient. Its just clear obvious its not going to work.
I support my local side as well. Last year the board decided to sack head coach few days before the season start. They hired unproved lad. I think his first win came after 7 games or something. But...despite us losing/drawing games a clear plan was visible. Anybody who knew a thing or two about football could see he was bulding something. Since match day 8 my local side went on a run of games. If the league had been played from match day 8 to 38 my local side would have finished 3rd. Which is some achivment for a club with the lowest budget in the league. This guy now is a head coach of Poland NT.
What im saying is im more than happy to suffer if i can see something on horizan. And the only thing i can see now is a fecking iceberg!
I support my local side as well. Last year the board decided to sack head coach few days before the season start. They hired unproved lad. I think his first win came after 7 games or something. But...despite us losing/drawing games a clear plan was visible. Anybody who knew a thing or two about football could see he was bulding something. Since match day 8 my local side went on a run of games. If the league had been played from match day 8 to 38 my local side would have finished 3rd. Which is some achivment for a club with the lowest budget in the league. This guy now is a head coach of Poland NT.
What im saying is im more than happy to suffer if i can see something on horizan. And the only thing i can see now is a fecking iceberg!
They certainly need to pull their finger out and get a DoF appointed soon. I don't think there's any benefit in keeping Jose around though. Chelsea managed to win the Europa league and CL with interim managers in recent years. If Mourinho really is the root cause of a lot of issues with players then removing him quickly is going to be for the best, even if we don't have a permanent manager lined up yet.
Pretty obvious, I would have thought.
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