Stop making subs?
The Make A Fecking Sub Ole Thread
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Genius he is
Actually just ask Ronaldo or Bruno next time. fecking hell
The absolute state of today's subs 
He was saving them all for today
There is no defending his subs today
No plan or shape with anything arter the red card. Just started making changes to see if anything came off.
I liked his subs. I'd rather have seen Greenwood instead of Lingard, or Martial come on earlier but his subs made sense.
To think they didn't because of what happened (
) is just results based analysis.
To think they didn't because of what happened (
) is just results based analysis.All Solskjaer fans should feck off...he said it and it happend again!!!
He is a Eliteserien-level coach and nothing else!!!
He is a Eliteserien-level coach and nothing else!!!
I've counted our shite performances, parking results here.
We were atrocious v wolves, not good against Southampton and atrocious today.
It's a bit of a joke. We clearly aren't coached whatsoever it's so fecking obvious to see.
We were atrocious v wolves, not good against Southampton and atrocious today.
It's a bit of a joke. We clearly aren't coached whatsoever it's so fecking obvious to see.
He's fecking clueless at making subs, why take of Donny for a CB when he already brought on Dalot to cover for Wan Bissaka.
All he had to do was to tell Bruno to drop deeper and play from the right.
All he had to do was to tell Bruno to drop deeper and play from the right.
I don't understand what he was trying to do
Sunday League managers are doing better in game management these days than Ole.
He truly is clueless about in game changes.
You can buy him a Ferrari and he'll still drive it like a Nissan.
He truly is clueless about in game changes.
You can buy him a Ferrari and he'll still drive it like a Nissan.
He is always asking to phelan what to do, phelan is the real manager and who takes the real decisions
It was a shockingly poor set of subs and tactics tonight, not for the first time and won’t be the last. Just bizarre thinking.
How are his subs bad when both goals were a result of 2 individual player's mistakes? We looked very shaky after the red card. The switch to 5 at the back worked out. Dalot and Varane made sense.
Putting in a pacy guy like Lingard made sense to play on the break. My preference would have been Greenwood though, but I get the sub. Matic did well when he came on, I don't have a problem with that. He's fine defensively when we play compact.
I'd personally have put Martial on earlier. His hold up could've been useful in giving us some breathing room.
It's silly to criticize his subs because the result was a loss. They're not directly related.
Putting in a pacy guy like Lingard made sense to play on the break. My preference would have been Greenwood though, but I get the sub. Matic did well when he came on, I don't have a problem with that. He's fine defensively when we play compact.
I'd personally have put Martial on earlier. His hold up could've been useful in giving us some breathing room.
It's silly to criticize his subs because the result was a loss. They're not directly related.
Another ole tactical masterclass.
what exactly did ole wrong? the red was a gamechanger and the backpass from lingard was a one off. if its 1-1 everyone would have taken it with 10 men
We should be winning that even with 10 men.
Really poor tactics to go five at the back and leave 36 year old Ronaldo isolated upfront on his own.
Really poor tactics to go five at the back and leave 36 year old Ronaldo isolated upfront on his own.
Exactly. Dalot and Varane were good subs. The rest were to freshen up.
in fact ronnie had the chance to make it 2-0 and you could debate that it was a pen
He's 36 years old and isolated when things don't go our way. Nobody was mentioning his age as a negative on Saturday?
Acted like he's still managing Cardiff. Top teams with world class managers would've come away with 3 points even with 10 men.
They weren't.
Both goals came after countless of attack to our goal. With amount of attack they pour on us, some of them bound to go in.
The switch to back 5 was stupid as it cede control of midfield to them even more. Either put Pogba back to midfield or replace him or Bruno with Matic at half time. Matic-Fred-VdB would let United gain some control as all three can win and keep the ball. And Fred wouldn't have to exhaust himself to the ground.
Also, Martial should never come on before Greenwood. Mason have been absolutely on fire this season, and if you need to replace Ronaldo, you put Mason in. His movement and pace would give them something else to think about.
Clueless subs. Cowardly.
Made loads of subs today- all of them, most in good time to give the players coming on time to impact the game. Some people just spout rubbish to go along with the narrative. Bad day at the office today largely in part to AWB. Credit to young boys let’s hope they give the others a game too
so saf was also a shit manager as he lost points when we were down to ten men
We were 1-0 up against a championship level team with half a billion pounds worth of talent at disposal and we couldn't even shut the shop.
First sub was like for like. That is where he should have subbed Pogba with Varane and drop Sancho as box to box midfielder, put lindelof as RB. Then sub Fred with Greenwood and play him and Ronaldo wide so that they both can stretch their defense. I thought dalot and Shaw will play WB but instead everyone dropped deep leaving Ronaldo alone. That was disastrous management.
First sub was like for like. That is where he should have subbed Pogba with Varane and drop Sancho as box to box midfielder, put lindelof as RB. Then sub Fred with Greenwood and play him and Ronaldo wide so that they both can stretch their defense. I thought dalot and Shaw will play WB but instead everyone dropped deep leaving Ronaldo alone. That was disastrous management.
Let's see if he can actually win a trophy before we start comparing him with SAF.
Yes this. How people can make all these conclusions about our loss and ignore the main cause (US BEING DOWN TO 10) boggles the mind
I honestly believe that Ole know more about football than I or most of the posters here, but I have no idea what was his plan with these subs today. Maybe someone could nicely explain?
So AWB was out, he subbed on Dalot as RB for an underperforming RW, I can understand this. Dalot can even play RW sometimes so I thougt this made sense. Then he changed his mind, put Varane on for vdB, that makes Lindelof RB, Dalot RW? Ok but why did he sub Dalot on in the first place then? Could’ve gone for Varane straight away. Than came Lingard and Maric for Ronaldo and Bruno? What was the reason behind this? Why didn’t he try Greenwood as RW instead? We played without any proper forward from that point.
So AWB was out, he subbed on Dalot as RB for an underperforming RW, I can understand this. Dalot can even play RW sometimes so I thougt this made sense. Then he changed his mind, put Varane on for vdB, that makes Lindelof RB, Dalot RW? Ok but why did he sub Dalot on in the first place then? Could’ve gone for Varane straight away. Than came Lingard and Maric for Ronaldo and Bruno? What was the reason behind this? Why didn’t he try Greenwood as RW instead? We played without any proper forward from that point.
i didnt compare him to saf. you said that a good manager with a good team would have won even with 10. as saf, pep klopp and whoever lost points when down to 10 they are all shit if you are right. i only wanted to show how over the top the reaction is. it was a bad game but its not down to the manager when a player passes the ball to an oppo in the 95 and gift them the game for example. and also the red is not down to ole. until then we controlled the game
Maybe he’s trying to be everybody’s mate, and by that I mean giving minutes to players regardless of what position they play, regardless of their strengths, regardless of the situation in the game, but literally just to give them some game time because he’s a nice guy like that. No ruthlessness, and this will be his undoing. This season has started okay but our fixtures have been favourable and we have yet to play anybody in the top half, and us having quite good attacking players has pulled us through.
Of course any team down to 10 men can lose a game. However, that's not my point. Good managers implement a style of play that allows them to manage games even with 10 men. I've seen City under Pep dominate possession even with 10 men. Look at how Tuchel got his Chelsea team to see out the 2nd half against Liverpool, they looked in complete control and were still creating chances.
Top managers are able to find balance in their teams even when going down to 10 men.Ole can't. We went far too defensive leaving Ronaldo isolated.
Did he really sub off Ronaldo for Lingard? No Greenwood? I still refuse to believe it.
Can we please add 'but no not that one' to the thread title?
It wasn't so much the timing of the subs as what he did with them. He brought Fred off with 6 mins to go so he could play Lingard in midfield...makes sense to me.
Not you Gary Neville!
So as far as I can figure:
He subbed on Dalot for Sancho in order to replace Bissaka as Bissaka had been sent off. Fair enough.
Then, he subbed on Varane for VDB, even though we already had a fully manned defence and this would leave us 2 players down further up the pitch. As a result we then conceded a goal due to having too many players positioned in our own box.
Then, he subbed on Matic to replace VDB, except he'd already subbed off VDB, so instead Matic had to replace Fernandes, so then he also subbed on Lingard to replace Fernandes, except Matic was already replacing Fernandes, so Ronaldo had to come off for Lingard.
Then he subbed on Martial to replace Ronaldo, again, except as he'd already subbed Ronaldo off, he had to sub Martial on for Fred, which meant Ronaldo (now Lingard) had to go and play in Fred's position. Then Lingard, most likely due to not being a midfielder, set up the winning goal for the wrong team.
This is literally what he did.
I mean, people say he is tactically clueless or naive but I think that's wrong, as this infers that what he is doing has some kind of relation to tactics. These are the subs of someone who has no idea what is going on and ends up continuously doing things to try and correct the mess cused by the previous doing of things that they did. If he had simply done nothing at half time and wandered off to explore the sites of Bern for the second half, we'd have had significantly more chance of winning the game.
The worst thing is there'll be all kinds of threads in here and posts on twitter lambasting the players or their mentality, when actually if you just look at the above it pretty much explains what they were up against. Like asking a boxer to win a fight but his trainer is remote conntrolling one of his gloves and keeps using it to accidentally punch him in the balls.
He subbed on Dalot for Sancho in order to replace Bissaka as Bissaka had been sent off. Fair enough.
Then, he subbed on Varane for VDB, even though we already had a fully manned defence and this would leave us 2 players down further up the pitch. As a result we then conceded a goal due to having too many players positioned in our own box.
Then, he subbed on Matic to replace VDB, except he'd already subbed off VDB, so instead Matic had to replace Fernandes, so then he also subbed on Lingard to replace Fernandes, except Matic was already replacing Fernandes, so Ronaldo had to come off for Lingard.
Then he subbed on Martial to replace Ronaldo, again, except as he'd already subbed Ronaldo off, he had to sub Martial on for Fred, which meant Ronaldo (now Lingard) had to go and play in Fred's position. Then Lingard, most likely due to not being a midfielder, set up the winning goal for the wrong team.
This is literally what he did.
I mean, people say he is tactically clueless or naive but I think that's wrong, as this infers that what he is doing has some kind of relation to tactics. These are the subs of someone who has no idea what is going on and ends up continuously doing things to try and correct the mess cused by the previous doing of things that they did. If he had simply done nothing at half time and wandered off to explore the sites of Bern for the second half, we'd have had significantly more chance of winning the game.
The worst thing is there'll be all kinds of threads in here and posts on twitter lambasting the players or their mentality, when actually if you just look at the above it pretty much explains what they were up against. Like asking a boxer to win a fight but his trainer is remote conntrolling one of his gloves and keeps using it to accidentally punch him in the balls.