Exactly. Difficult to fathom people are actually using Pogba's absence as an excuse and totally ignoring that a club of Utd's stature should be doing much better. We were embarrassed at Huddersfield and yet we won't be able to name their entire midfield.
The M-myth this season... and our perpetually weak attack
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Marcus and Martial have been pretty good, but literally the whole caf was in agreement that we needed a top shelf RW and a LB.
City have a better squad than us and Chelsea and KDB is their best player
More excuses for Jose.
I would like us to start with January
It pains me to say it but you are right! yes we have scored goals but none of those you have mentioned have truly looked elite level where we aim to be. Rashford and Martial have mitigating circumstances as youngsters they will be good in patches, mata and mikhi on the otherhand have a lack of creativity and general build up play with the frontmen has been woeful, many times mikhi in particular has ignored simple through balls and ran into cul de sacs this shows he lacks vision a key component for a number 10.
While I don’t disagree that injuries are no excuse for getting beat last weekend you’ve used a pretty terrible example to make your point. Without Scholes and Keane we were dicked on by Bayern from start to finish (of normal time, anyway!)
If that Messi guy tries to come here, we better tell him to piss off.
It will go completely bar sh!t if Spurs beat us I fear.
Aah, silly me
I thought mourinho was all about results ...makes it a pretty good example in that case.I’ll have some M&Ms.
Martial: has been very good, scored some goals and made some assists. He is fine and i would start him more often and substitute him less.
Rashford: Has been very good, but IMO he is a striker and should always play as a striker and not on the flanks. I would start bringing him on for Lukaku more often if Lukaku isn't doing very well instead of Martial.
Mata: simply needs to play as a no.10 and not on the wing. Very very simple. I believe in him.
Mkhitaryan: Can't play as a no.10 in the PL. the game is too fast for him and he gets pressured quickly+ his lack of composure makes him lose the ball ridiculously easy, either put him on the right wing as a right winger that provide crosses or just get rid of him. He is also not a young player.
Rashford: Has been very good, but IMO he is a striker and should always play as a striker and not on the flanks. I would start bringing him on for Lukaku more often if Lukaku isn't doing very well instead of Martial.
Mata: simply needs to play as a no.10 and not on the wing. Very very simple. I believe in him.
Mkhitaryan: Can't play as a no.10 in the PL. the game is too fast for him and he gets pressured quickly+ his lack of composure makes him lose the ball ridiculously easy, either put him on the right wing as a right winger that provide crosses or just get rid of him. He is also not a young player.
More stupid posts after one loss. Sometimes I wonder why I bother logging on....
The draw against LFC started got things warmed up and the loss to Huddersfield - that's what caused the meltdown.
God knows what would happen if we lost 2 games this season.
My first time here though I've been reading the Cafe for so many years.
Is it really necessary to create multiple threads just to regurgitate the same issues over and over again?
Yes we lost a game of football to relegation candidates but this happened so many times during Fergie's time too yet we didn't auction off the whole squad
Why don't we give the manager and the team a chance to develop? We can't keep on buying new players; at some point we need to let the team develop through learning to fight and winning for each other.
Is it really necessary to create multiple threads just to regurgitate the same issues over and over again?
Yes we lost a game of football to relegation candidates but this happened so many times during Fergie's time too yet we didn't auction off the whole squad
Why don't we give the manager and the team a chance to develop? We can't keep on buying new players; at some point we need to let the team develop through learning to fight and winning for each other.
It doesn't always come down to the money mate, and that's not what i said. You asked whether bringing up injuries is a poor excuse and i said yes, and gave a few examples why. Money being just ONE of them, so don't misrepresent what i said.
If you want to use injuries as an excuse, knock yourself out. It's a piss poor excuse. The players that we have available are more than good enough to be putting in better performances, and are certainly more than good enough to be beating bloody Huddersfield. Obviously, we're going to lose games, my original point was the frustration that many people are feeling is not down to merely losing one game, but our performances for the last couple of weeks.
I don't know why your even brining up those other games you mentioned. It makes absolutely no sense to do so in the context of what i was originally responding too anyway.
Also, very, very rarely are you going to keep all your 11 players fit throughout the season - especially playing in multiple competitions. And it seems odd to bring up City considering they have a long term injury to their big summer signing (Mendy) and also had Aguero out for a few weeks, not to mention Kompany.
Spurs also have Dembele, Wanyama, Rose and Dier out...so, yeah.
Honestly no, the only world class attacker we have ever signed was RVP in recent years. I think you should support PSG if you haven't done so already if you want a team that signs world class players ready made. I honestly don't think we have the ownership structure for it.
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I agree to this.
Our players, who were selected were good enough to beat Huddersfield and create at least 5 or 6 good chances against Liverpool. We didn't. It is down to the players and the manager for the bad performance in past 2 weeks. Injuries are just one small part of the problem. The players have under-performed. The likes of Herrera, Mata, Miki, Rashford are all capable of much better stuff.
However all is not lost or I dont think we have to sell the lot or get rid to improve the team.
Ederson, Walker, Stones, Otamendi, Delph, Fernandinho and Sterling. Most on here would not take those only last season, they were either mocked, not heard of before or deemed decent if not elite only few months ago. Sané and Jesus arrived last season with a reputation of very talented high potential players no different to Rashford and Martial. The revisionism of other club's squad because said players are currently performing well is seriously odd.
Exactly. The players are underperforming a bit at the moment. They're not useless or bad players, and they're certainly capable of much, much better. Obviously when Pogba comes back he's going to improve us, but this squad should be performing to a much higher standard than what they currently are.
Oh, and all is not lost at all. If this gives them a kick up the arse and we put in a good performance and beat Spurs on the weekend, then the mood will change dramatically and give us huge impetus going forward. It would be a massive result for us.
Yeah, I'm at that stage too...
I remember “The M Way To Victory” (MEN headline c1974):
Morgan
McIlroy
Macari
McCalliog
Martin
We got relegated...
Maybe don't then...
Thanks for your advice, you can all wank yourself into a frenzy over how bad things are without any interruptions then.
Yeah if a manager can not be held responsible for player's performances what exactly could manager's be held responsible for?
Indeed we can
Let's start blaming MM please. Manager Mourinho
It’s a pity there is such a knee jerk reaction to our team. We’ve played poorly in three games, drew at Anfield which is an OK result. Admittedly it was toothless, we beat Benfica, admittedly it was due to a mistake and lost at Huddersfield. The only performance I would really question was the Huddersfield one but we have come back from worse. Everyone seems to think that Fergie was never beaten based on the opinion here.
Perhaps we should look back at games such as the 0-0 against Burton Albion in 2006? The games we got humiliated by Newcastle and Southampton?
It’s not all bad, we’re still second.
Perhaps we should look back at games such as the 0-0 against Burton Albion in 2006? The games we got humiliated by Newcastle and Southampton?
It’s not all bad, we’re still second.
Couldn’t agree more.
Why don't you let us worry about how United play? You can clearly see from the headline that the thread will be about criticisms of our performance, why do you bother posting meaningless rubbish like this instead of actually contributing to the debate. As soon as there is a slightest criticism of how we play, there you are like a rash all over the thread attacking people who care about Manchester United just as much as you do. If everything is so rosy, why don't you log off or start a thread that praises how "smart" we were against Liverpool? You may be blind to our slow capitulation, but others can see how bad we have been in the last two games.
Just one major injury suddenly we are completely off the rails, City, Spurs, Chelsea, Arsenal are all missing major players in their squads but they seem to cope reasonably well. Our manager just now threw the entire squad under the bus for our loss against Huddersfield while taking no blame on himself, while it may be right that our players were not on their best against Huddersfield, it's not right to criticize them in the press, if affects team morale especially with our current injuries.
I think Mata and Mkhitaryan are struggling due to the lack of a ball carrier in the midfield, Herrera and Matic are sitting way too deep to protect the defence, this isolates our attack and Mata had to come so deep to collect the ball because our passing is laborious and very inaccurate from defence. Whenever Mkhitaryan receives the ball there is no one near him to support him and play quick triangles or one-two passes, he is forced to dribble and he is no dribbler.
It's been more than a year already, I still don't what sort of football we play, there is no method or creativity or quickness in our passing, going forward we are too predictable, most our of our attacks are crosses. Defence looks improved but when you give defensive responsibilities to so many players in the team, it's bound to improve. What I'm trying to in my limited writing skills is that we still don't look like a team, even after adding all the players the manager himself handpicked.
Rashford and Martial have been fine. Neither are world beaters at this point but they're coming along nicely and are managing to work their way into the team and contribute on a regular basis in spite of Lukaku coming in.
I don't think Mkhi's been particularly remarkable performance wise and he's occasionally been poor, but he's still been productive overall. Hard to argue against him on that front, even if his overall game needs to improve.
I don't think Mkhi's been particularly remarkable performance wise and he's occasionally been poor, but he's still been productive overall. Hard to argue against him on that front, even if his overall game needs to improve.
Or.. You know... Maybe... It's just a bad day at the office.
Here. Take a chill pill.
Here. Take a chill pill.
This. There are certain positions that we can upgrade on, but the squad is not as bad as some make it out to be. The manager needs to do better in getting the best out of the team. More fluency and cohesion in our passing, and faster transitions and tempo to our play will improve us a lot, even with the current players.
Yeah, bit shit really.
Not sure I've seen you post anything that wasn't the overly hysterical ramblings of a spoiled child. Good to see that this latest post is up to your usual standard. :-)
Had we won the game, we are talking about the most successful start to a PL season by us ever and we would have been praising Mourinho for being practical and getting his tactics right and these signings/youth player would have been termed 'fantastic' , a fit to our attacking jigsaw and being effective and whatnot. A loss and it has lead to a meltdown that appears as if we are on verge of relegation!
Could be time to revisit my thread from the summer...
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/our-3-behind-the-striker-vs-our-rivals.431097/
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/our-3-behind-the-striker-vs-our-rivals.431097/
To be fair to Kingminger, we don't get enough from those players at all. Martial gets excused because it's Martial (and occasionally has decent games and looks like Neymar mk2), Rashford is young which is ok, but not when we don't have much else. Mata is good backup but doesn't do enough to be first choice, and Mhki isn't doing enough in any shape or form. These are all in very important positions and all starters or close to.
can't agree more. One loss and everyone that dislike mourinho or particular players come out of the woodwork. Wonder where are they after the Swansea game. At least be consistent with the criticism.