Ferenc Bene playing outside right for Hungary in a 4-2-4 formation and dropping deep to defend off the ball
The Impossible Draft R1 - MJJ vs Indnyc
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Ferenc Bene playing outside right for Hungary in a 4-2-4 formation and dropping deep to defend off the ball
Thank you. Sent the formation without the arrow
It's better if Andrade and Monti are swapped, but that's it. It's a fully functional midfield. With Monti playing the pivot, Valderrama and Andrade have full freedom to run the game. I think Valderrama is getting underrated here. PLus Baggio will play his part in the middle and in absence of a proper #10, he has a full free role to drift about and overload where the game is.
Love your WM, but I think MJJ has the edge here.
It is unfortunate that a lot of Just Fontaine videos is just the world cup goals
However his scoring record is unquestionable. 30 Goals in 21 games for France
221 goals in 247 games for Club. He is as lethal a finisher as they get
However his scoring record is unquestionable. 30 Goals in 21 games for France
221 goals in 247 games for Club. He is as lethal a finisher as they get
Fair enough. To me Souness and Zito are the perfectly complementary pair in the WM. Trying to create from the middle with both of them there and Ceulemans and Pedernera dropping in is not going to be easy.
And then behind those 2 perfect DMs is a great trio that will defend the best of attacks. Hidegkuti to me needs to have runners ahead of him which i don't think he has here.
It sure is. Both of you have got your teams structurally and tactically perfect.
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Thank you. These are great
Which between Pedernera or Ceulemans is dropping deep?
In WM its essential for one of the inside forwards to play a "link man" role and drop deeper into midfield.
In WM its essential for one of the inside forwards to play a "link man" role and drop deeper into midfield.
Ceulemans.. I got him for exactly that reason.. Felt he was a better option there than Cantona (who is on the bench)
That's what I thought with the arrows but wanted to make sure.
Thuram and Krol are probably the best two players for those roles you could find
Yeah. I wanted to play a WM from the start which is why those two were my first picks.
Yes, Bene should be an excellent fit, really.
Played in an outside capacity, iirc, in that famous '66 side w/ Albert et al.
I belive there's some footage available of said side's win over Brazil in that tournament (with Bene pulling tricks on the right), but I can't be arsed to search for it on this shite phone).
Played in an outside capacity, iirc, in that famous '66 side w/ Albert et al.
I belive there's some footage available of said side's win over Brazil in that tournament (with Bene pulling tricks on the right), but I can't be arsed to search for it on this shite phone).
Why? I had Ceulemans in earlier game and he was quite attacking and better off playing behind Fontaine. And with Souness being a complete box to box. Pedernera dropping back to left midfield and linking with Zito gives your team more balance imo.
Nah.. Ceulemans could play up top but he was very hard working and often came deep to the midfield.. I think he does a better job at it than Pedernera who can link up nicely with Loustau
@Indnyc as harms noted without the arrow Zito's role is much better defined there.
I like your effort a lot. The only question mark is Da Guia, and yes because of that body check tackle that Raees posted a while ago his credentials took a massive hit.
I like your effort a lot. The only question mark is Da Guia, and yes because of that body check tackle that Raees posted a while ago his credentials took a massive hit.
@Indnyc as harms noted without the arrow Zito's role is much better defined there.
I like your effort a lot. The only question mark is Da Guia, and yes because of that body check tackle that Raees posted a while ago his credentials took a massive hit.
What bodycheck tackle? I thought he was highly rated here
I realized the Arrow on Zito confused everyone
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I'm pretty comfortable with him in either a CM (preferably RCM) or RB (where he can get on the ball and support the CMs). After all, assuming this is accurate, he had defensive responsibility for Uruguay's right hand side (who else would pick up the outside left?) Don't see him as a flank dominator, but as a modern full-back supporting the midfield, particularly in the inside-right channel, he looks fine.
That defensive unit is absolute top class @Indnyc - no question marks, just clean fits and serious quality.
Thank you very much.
MJJ has a top defensive base with 6 players expected to be very conservative: 4 robust defensive, 1 destroyer and 'the Black Marvel'. No problem with the positioning of this great player of the 1920s who seemingly did support the central midfield of Uruguay at the WC30 as right wing-half.
For different reasons, Baggio and Lato are his biggest assets.
Valderrama is a very welcome player in the drafts but given his style of play (playmaker relatively slow and playing deep), I would have preferred a different support. For example, a trio Valderrama-Cueto-Monti would have been more stylish.
Roberto Baggio is another interesting case: true that he likes the left wing to initiate attacks but will have to defend more than usual in this context. Which context? A context where there are no box-to-box and no very offensive left-back, meaning defensive withdrawals are required for Baggio. And I like the idea of having a Roberto Baggio close to the penalty area (support striker, #10) freed from typical defensive tasks attributed to a lateral forward. Hence my team below in a previous draft
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/surveillance-draft-r1-vivaeap-vs-downcast.424370/
Add the fact that I consider the brilliant Hidegkuti as a deep-lying forward so I would have loved a striker or a Baggio instead of Valderrama. If you watch the goals scored below, I think another central partner likely to interchange role.
Hidegkuti style of play
I go for @Indnyc even if his W-M isn't perfect: not fully convinced by Da Guia and Ceulemans in this system for example. A more offensive team against him would have probably made me vote differently. Very nice story and efforts too.
When I hesitate between 2 teams, I tend to go for the more offensive one too.
For different reasons, Baggio and Lato are his biggest assets.
Valderrama is a very welcome player in the drafts but given his style of play (playmaker relatively slow and playing deep), I would have preferred a different support. For example, a trio Valderrama-Cueto-Monti would have been more stylish.
Roberto Baggio is another interesting case: true that he likes the left wing to initiate attacks but will have to defend more than usual in this context. Which context? A context where there are no box-to-box and no very offensive left-back, meaning defensive withdrawals are required for Baggio. And I like the idea of having a Roberto Baggio close to the penalty area (support striker, #10) freed from typical defensive tasks attributed to a lateral forward. Hence my team below in a previous draft
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/surveillance-draft-r1-vivaeap-vs-downcast.424370/
Add the fact that I consider the brilliant Hidegkuti as a deep-lying forward so I would have loved a striker or a Baggio instead of Valderrama. If you watch the goals scored below, I think another central partner likely to interchange role.
Hidegkuti style of play
I go for @Indnyc even if his W-M isn't perfect: not fully convinced by Da Guia and Ceulemans in this system for example. A more offensive team against him would have probably made me vote differently. Very nice story and efforts too.
When I hesitate between 2 teams, I tend to go for the more offensive one too.
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Was dying to read the score of this game since I couldn't seperate them.
Amazing job @Indnyc with the WM. Simply superb.
Was amazed when I realized it during the drafting as well.
Don't think the scoreline reflects the actual closeness of the game though.
Amazing job @Indnyc with the WM. Simply superb.
Was amazed when I realized it during the drafting as well.
Don't think the scoreline reflects the actual closeness of the game though.
Yeah it doesn’t. I am very happy with how the team shaped up.
Shame it really is not that one sided.
A scoreline never reflects the gap between 2 teams and the 'best team' - if it means something - doesn't always win ofc
Bergkamp instead of Valderramma for example and the scoreline could have been different.
Bergkamp instead of Valderramma for example and the scoreline could have been different.
@Ecstatic you mentioned Ceulemans may not be the best fit for this role. Is this because you think he can’t play the attacking midfielder role well?
I had a choice between him and Cantona to play this role and felt he was the better option.
Same with Da Guia.. With the restrictions of the draft felt he was perfect to play this role. But it seems that he may not be completely suited for a WM?
I had a choice between him and Cantona to play this role and felt he was the better option.
Same with Da Guia.. With the restrictions of the draft felt he was perfect to play this role. But it seems that he may not be completely suited for a WM?
Not sure that Bergkamp and Baggio are a great fit at all.
I tend to underrate old-school players and the players I don't know well.
Ceulemans is a better option than Cantona in your system especially because he seems to be a hard-working player.
In hindsight, I think you're right: not a perfect duo
You make me think about some coaches who thought duos Del Piero-Baggio, Rivera-Mazzola or... Dybala-Messi are incompatible.
Humm it's crazy to see a player like Dybala fully ignored.