The Guardian

Sweet Square said:
Dining across the divide: ‘I thought I was going to meet an awful Tory – but it was wonderful, we swapped numbers’

Two middle class gen xers find out their class position is more relatable than their “politics”.
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Lack of headgear for it to be a real debate. Surely the Guardian can get hold of a top hat and a beret from somewhere?
 
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Frosty said:
I preferred the Guardian when it was full of spelling mistakes and at least made an effort to write about important issues.
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They may have more fluff than they used to, presumably to try to survive in a word where the Mail on Line is dominant, but they still do lots of investigative journalism. One of the few who still do here in Australia.
 
Sweet Square said:
Dining across the divide: ‘I thought I was going to meet an awful Tory – but it was wonderful, we swapped numbers’



Two middle class gen xers find out their class position is more relatable than their “politics”.
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Stupidly I read that. I'm never getting those wasted minutes of my life back.
 
Sweet Square said:
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What makes this one even worse, is that the Evening Standard leaked an email from a water boss last week showing they were liasing with starmer's labour to find a way to present the water companies to the public that will avoid nationalization.

And hutton here was advising the water companies.

Hes 'literally' a lobbyist for them, completely undeclared in this piece.
 
Nogbadthebad said:
What makes this one even worse, is that the Evening Standard leaked an email from a water boss last week showing they were liasing with starmer's labour to find a way to present the water companies to the public that will avoid nationalization.

And hutton here was advising the water companies.

Hes 'literally' a lobbyist for them, completely undeclared in this piece.
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Pretty much. I’m guessing this article was put out because of the leaked email. He at best hints at it

Full declaration: I am named in the Garfield email as ready to facilitate a conversation.
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But makes his role sound like it was that of a therapist/counselor. It’s crazy.
 
Sweet Square said:
Sick of this Conservative government? That shouldn’t stop you having Tory friends

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...nt-that-shouldnt-stop-you-having-tory-friends

This has to be some sort of awful kink for Guardian writers.
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Pardon me for being slighty puzzled, im half british but havnt lived there and im not a UK citizen so i dont have same strong feelings about uk politics that some of its residents do, but do you think the article is completely unessary or that people who lean left shouldn't actually have tory friends?
 
Gehrman said:
Pardon me for being slighty puzzled, im half british but havnt lived there and im not a UK citizen so i dont have same strong feelings about uk politics that some of its residents do, but do you think the article is completely unessary or that people who lean left shouldn't actually have tory friends?
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Mostly that it’s unnecessary. The idea of going to a pub with a mate and seriously debating politics to sharping your ideas sounds god awful and odd. To write it in an article for everyone to see has to be a form of self humiliation.

I know people who have voted Tory and if the conversation goes to politics then it’s normally them saying Labour are commies trying to destroy the country, that the EU made bananas the wrong shape and the next election will be decided on the moon patterns. For better and for worse the average conservative voter is politically insane.
 
Sweet Square said:
Mostly that it’s unnecessary. The idea of going to a pub with a mate and seriously debating politics to sharping your ideas sounds god awful and odd. To write it in an article for everyone to see has to be a form of self humiliation.

I know people who have voted Tory and if the conversation goes to politics then it’s normally them saying Labour are commies trying to destroy the country, that the EU made bananas the wrong shape and the next election will be decided on the moon patterns. For better and for worse the average conservative voter is politically insane.
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Aren’t you Irish? How do you know any Tory voters? I lived in London for a long time and know a few people who would have voted for them. Usually for basic, selfish reasons like wanting lower tax. None of them expressed the sort of stereotypical conservative lunacy you’re describing there. I don’t even think any of them voted Brexit.
 
Sweet Square said:
This has to be some sort of awful kink for Guardian writers.
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There's definitely a certain strain of London liberal who thinks having a conversation about politics with a dickhead in a pub and still being friends with them afterward is the modern equivalent to being Socrates at an Athenian dinner party.
 
jeff_goldblum said:
There's definitely a certain strain of London liberal who thinks having a conversation about politics with a dickhead in a pub and still being friends with them afterward is the modern equivalent to being Socrates at an Athenian dinner party.
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:lol:
 
I am a contributor to Guardian Sport on football matters

Love the paper's openness to new contributors, though I cannot say I agree with its political editorial line much. For sports it is one of the best outlets there is.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Aren’t you Irish? How do you know any Tory voters? I lived in London for a long time and know a few people who would have voted for them. Usually for basic, selfish reasons like wanting lower tax. None of them expressed the sort of stereotypical conservative lunacy you’re describing there. I don’t even think any of them voted Brexit.
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Mostly Irish(Born in Dublin)and a bit Scottish. Been living in England for well over a decade now so I’ve met the lunacy.

The banana one was the craziest as it came from a well traveled lawyer who had been all over the world. Checked every stereotype of a remain voter we see in the media yet voted leave to get rid of the red tape controlling “British”bananas.

jeff_goldblum said:
There's definitely a certain strain of London liberal who thinks having a conversation about politics with a dickhead in a pub and still being friends with them afterward is the modern equivalent to being Socrates at an Athenian dinner party.
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Brilliant.
 
Sweet Square said:
Mostly Irish(Born in Dublin)and a bit Scottish. Been living in England for well over a decade now so I’ve met the lunacy.

The banana one was the craziest as it came from a well traveled lawyer who had been all over the world. Checked every stereotype of a remain voter we see in the media yet voted leave to get rid of the red tape controlling “British”bananas.
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Interesting. I guess I did live in London. It probably gets easier to tick more Tory stereotype boxes once you get outside the M25.
 
jeff_goldblum said:
There's definitely a certain strain of London liberal who thinks having a conversation about politics with a dickhead in a pub and still being friends with them afterward is the modern equivalent to being Socrates at an Athenian dinner party.
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Succinctly put.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Interesting. I guess I did live in London. It probably gets easier to tick more Tory stereotype boxes once you get outside the M25.
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Yeah I’m currently living about an hour away from London in a Tory suburb(Pretty sure my local Labour Party is the smallest in the country) and it’s all sorts of strange.
 
For starters, I would much rather have a political discussion with a Tory than with my own tribe, with whom I’m either going to agree or argue furiously over small differences. But when I hang out with my west London Tory friend, I know the political banter will always be spicy. I’ll be provoked, challenged and robustly rebutted. Like all good opponents, she improves my game.
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Migrant mural painted over, defended; homelessness at all time high, slouches. Match point to Tory? Journalists viewing it, society, as a game is in no small way part of the problem. Politics is played as a game by politicians and many journalists but the point, if you are a serious journalist, is to expose the very mechanics of the game and lay the structure bare (going beyond the bullshit).

It's largely a social thing for these journalists (politics and the consequenes). Therefore, access to this group, that person, this official, becomes the "game" and you get journalism that isn't worth shit.
 
jeff_goldblum said:
There's definitely a certain strain of London liberal who thinks having a conversation about politics with a dickhead in a pub and still being friends with them afterward is the modern equivalent to being Socrates at an Athenian dinner party.
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unchanged_lineup said:
I know a fair few parents who share this viewpoint :lol:
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:lol: If they’re honest, I’d say the majority of parents have felt that at least once.
Once a day;)
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Content of the article looks fine. Her name is a bit annoying though.
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If someone said to me, "Have you heard of Tegan Bennett Daylight?", I'd have assumed they're referring to some abstract scientific theory they came across somewhere. Not a person.

It's a great name!
 
V.O. said:
"Pumpkin spice latte misogyny" might be the most Guardian phrase that has ever been written down. That's impressive.
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I was honestly on the verge of buying a pumpkin spice oat milk the other day but went with my barrista oat milk for my coffee in the morning. The very idea whether it was sexist or not went over my head. But im a man so it would.
 
In these cases why are they anti-plane? Especially to Naples

https://www.theguardian.com/travel/...ng-city-breaks-in-europe-from-ghent-to-naples

Six perfect unsung city breaks in Europe – from Ghent to Naples

No famous capitals, fewer tourists, loads to see, excellent food – and all a train ride away

Naples: Get there
Eurostar from London, then an overnight train from Paris to Milan. The high-speed Frecciarossa train from Milan to Naples takes five hours

Freiburg Get there
Trains operated by Eurostar, TGV Lyria and Deutsche Bahn connect Freiburg to London in under seven hours.

Alicante Get there
Eurostar to Gare du Nord, and transfer to Gare du Lyon for a train to Barcelona Sants. From Barcelona Nord there is a direct train to Alicante
 
horsechoker said:
In these cases why are they anti-plane? Especially to Naples

https://www.theguardian.com/travel/...ng-city-breaks-in-europe-from-ghent-to-naples

Six perfect unsung city breaks in Europe – from Ghent to Naples

No famous capitals, fewer tourists, loads to see, excellent food – and all a train ride away

Naples: Get there
Eurostar from London, then an overnight train from Paris to Milan. The high-speed Frecciarossa train from Milan to Naples takes five hours

Freiburg Get there
Trains operated by Eurostar, TGV Lyria and Deutsche Bahn connect Freiburg to London in under seven hours.

Alicante Get there
Eurostar to Gare du Nord, and transfer to Gare du Lyon for a train to Barcelona Sants. From Barcelona Nord there is a direct train to Alicante
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HS1 cnuts
 
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