What happened to "get out the gods" in match threads during hopeless situations? That used to work so well.
The Football Gods hate us
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Everyone hates us, but we simply don’t succeed because the club has been terribly ran for a decade. When you have an average manager and an overpaid, entitled, incohesive, mentally weak bunch of players, luck and referees will also be against you.
Di Maria had second most assist in the league his first season in England.
anyone with a brain saw without a dm we were wayyyy too top heavy
I’ve got time for the argument it’s a cyclic thing. We are victims of our own success. We were such a good team associated with attacking football and a never say die attitude, combined with extraordinary success. That foundation means that the ‘brand’ is so strong that winning things and being competitive isn’t even necessary (FOR NOW) to run at giddy levels of profit. As a result we have owners and a board increasingly focussed on all the avenues by which they can sell the brand and the.football comes second.
i don’t think they are trying to make us shite, why would they? It’s hardly going to be a negative if the tram does well. It’s just not the top priority and that core ethic of brand first filters down from the top to every level of the club. I made a lot of fuss about how we deal with Rashford (mind you not really alone with that), but it’s because if there is one situation that neatly sums up our situation it’s him as a player/asset. It’s no longer so important for him to be a consistent top player for the club because he remains a profitable asset by way of being a mini brand all on his own, national treasure/celebrity etc. the sick thing is that regardless of his form, the fact he’s such a marketable asset will be a point of leverage in contract negotiations and so that situation just serves as a metaphor for the operating style of the club.
why do we want out players to be brands and not just great football players. Because that’s what’pays the bills at the moment, as tragic as that is.
i don’t think they are trying to make us shite, why would they? It’s hardly going to be a negative if the tram does well. It’s just not the top priority and that core ethic of brand first filters down from the top to every level of the club. I made a lot of fuss about how we deal with Rashford (mind you not really alone with that), but it’s because if there is one situation that neatly sums up our situation it’s him as a player/asset. It’s no longer so important for him to be a consistent top player for the club because he remains a profitable asset by way of being a mini brand all on his own, national treasure/celebrity etc. the sick thing is that regardless of his form, the fact he’s such a marketable asset will be a point of leverage in contract negotiations and so that situation just serves as a metaphor for the operating style of the club.
why do we want out players to be brands and not just great football players. Because that’s what’pays the bills at the moment, as tragic as that is.
The board have never put into place a structure like we now have. Will it work? who knows? We have had 4 poor managers, 2 who were good but past it, 1 who had us exactly were his skillset was (7th) and 1 who was an enigma. Got a team relegated, but spent an absolute fortune to get us 3rd and 2nd then reverted to type.
Liverpool have proved if you get the right manager and support in you can turn 30 years of mainly dross around. We need this manager to be right and rightly given the infastructure around him to operate at the best of their ability,.
Liverpool have proved if you get the right manager and support in you can turn 30 years of mainly dross around. We need this manager to be right and rightly given the infastructure around him to operate at the best of their ability,.
What or who are the football gods?
Club culture.
Ours is rotten to the core and has been for years. Get the right manager, let him build in his vision and have absolute authority and things change.
Ours is rotten to the core and has been for years. Get the right manager, let him build in his vision and have absolute authority and things change.
Nah. We didn't win so much if this is the case.
We just got carried away and not plan for SAF retirement. You don't replace someone like SAF with bunch of amateur from top to bottom like we do and expect it to work.
We just got carried away and not plan for SAF retirement. You don't replace someone like SAF with bunch of amateur from top to bottom like we do and expect it to work.
Luckily God and religion is all nonsense.
When 2nd place and a euro final is seen as failure, it does make it challenging to keep morale high.
I mean, we all knew early on this season that things weren't right. Our early performances were terrible, even if the results started off quite well. But as soon as it looked like we, again, weren't the best side in the league, everyone lost their shit. It was ridiculous in here and social media. Like we have some god-given right to win things.
I mean, we all knew early on this season that things weren't right. Our early performances were terrible, even if the results started off quite well. But as soon as it looked like we, again, weren't the best side in the league, everyone lost their shit. It was ridiculous in here and social media. Like we have some god-given right to win things.
Its who Robbie Savage and McTominay pray to
Yeah that way of running things was always going to go south when Fergie left and so it has proved. His management brilliance masked all of their boardroom deficiencies and kept us winning things with average teams
The fans have a part to play as well. In a vain attempt to appear classy and different, they applaud mediocrity and accept lowered standards.
Despite claims of a “toxic fanbase”, ours is actually way more forgiving towards underperformance and incompetence compared to the fan bases of other successful big clubs.
Despite claims of a “toxic fanbase”, ours is actually way more forgiving towards underperformance and incompetence compared to the fan bases of other successful big clubs.
Thought it might be the one Rashford and Pogba seem to hold their hands out and mumble looking skywards as they walk out on the pitch to.....doesn’t seem to do them any good though
We did dig this hole for ourselves.
We've rewarded players for just sticking around instead of performing. We bought haphazard stars instead of having a structured idea of when we needed players and for what. We put transfer availability as a priority instead of transfer need. We've not separated the footballing side from the business side to give it enough importance. We didn't focus on the work that the previous managers had done - failure or success - and tried to half-ass a bunch of hard resets a few times (post Moyes, post LVG)
And now we spend week after week hoping some new manager will pull a rabbit out of a hat and make what we've done as a club over the last 4-5 years look like sensible decision.
"Yeah no midfielder but still no one on planet earth would have foreseen what happened this season." - several people here and in the larger football ecosystem saw exactly this happening the day we bought Ronaldo. The balance of our team was completely wrong last season too, but we papered the cracks with work rate, and then we put blew that up too. We're treating football like individual contributions matter more than team chemistry and we're betting on the wrong horse. We're a pathetic World XI team, that looks like they showed up to play an exhibition every week as a result.
We've rewarded players for just sticking around instead of performing. We bought haphazard stars instead of having a structured idea of when we needed players and for what. We put transfer availability as a priority instead of transfer need. We've not separated the footballing side from the business side to give it enough importance. We didn't focus on the work that the previous managers had done - failure or success - and tried to half-ass a bunch of hard resets a few times (post Moyes, post LVG)
And now we spend week after week hoping some new manager will pull a rabbit out of a hat and make what we've done as a club over the last 4-5 years look like sensible decision.
"Yeah no midfielder but still no one on planet earth would have foreseen what happened this season." - several people here and in the larger football ecosystem saw exactly this happening the day we bought Ronaldo. The balance of our team was completely wrong last season too, but we papered the cracks with work rate, and then we put blew that up too. We're treating football like individual contributions matter more than team chemistry and we're betting on the wrong horse. We're a pathetic World XI team, that looks like they showed up to play an exhibition every week as a result.
Nothing to do with the Gods, wilt and nostalgia is killing us.
Complacency and the wrong people from the wrong departments in charge, that is my guess. We thought that as one of the biggest clubs in the world, there was no need to look outside our club, after all we were the best, so we did everything right.
With SAF we had a man in charge for 26 years who was in a position of power that he could rework and change the things we did and adept to the changes happening in football. He left at a time when exactly such a change would have been needed, our losses against Barcelona in the CL finals and SAFs last two campaigns, despite the title in his last season, made this painfully obvious.
Usually, giving someone else the reigns and brining in new ideas can be a catalyst for positive change, but this change will only happen if the person is A) someone who brings those new and progressive ideas into the company and B) has the power and backing to implement these changes and adjust the things that aren't working. Now one could say a lot of our managers we had since SAF failed in at least one of those departments, the majority I would argue even in both.
And it didn't help that our club was led by an accountant and marketing person who had 0 experience in running a football club.
This season has been dreadfull or did UTD overachieve last season. If you look back on it on how many times we came from goals down to win,(no crowds). If there had been ,some If not all those away results would have been different. Coincidental or not our £80million CB has been awful, along with others form have dipped. It's poor preparation and it's between the ears were it starts. Reset needed new blood with quality then go again fresh next season.
What we need is a style of game and people on top who are ready to stick to it. We've been changing styles every couple of years which in turn made valid players redundant. We can't keep reinventing the wheel.
I'd say put Rangnick as Sporting director and bring in someone like Tuchel or Ten Hag as manager. High press defensive line and attacking football is the way to go. Then build the squad based on that.