The Football Gods hate us

UpWithRivers

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I might be sounding like an Arsenal supporter blaming everyone but us however wtf is going on with our club. We blame everyone - The Glaziers, the manager, the board, the recruitment, the players. All have to take a long hard look in the mirror. But at the same time how is it possible that everything United just goes to sht. For example we had 2 potentially world class young English forwards in Rashford and Greenwood. The future was supposed to be built around them both for us and for England. Now look at it. Fkd. Potentially 200 mill worth of talent. We had a world class midfielder in Pogba and that went south. You can literally do this for all our players since Sir Alex. Di Maria class player. Fkd. Maguire 80 mill fkd. Sanchez fkd. And on and on and on. Yes its recruitment and coaching and on and on and on but surely the odds are that even if your recruitment and coaching and everything is sht then something would turn out right. Even by pure fluke. 1 billion spent and absolutely fk all to show for it. Nothing apart from maybe Sancho and Varane. Even Bruno is edging towards the reject pile this season. We came second last year and bought Ronaldo, Varane and Sancho. Yeah no midfielder but still no one on planet earth would have foreseen what happened this season. Off the fkn cliff. Everyone. Gone. Boom.

Seriously I dont get it. Im not even being hysterical and moaning. I literally do not understand how its possible that everything we touch just turns out sht. Explain it to me.
 
Why do you only abbreviate swear words? Is it some kind of censorship or a bizarre attempt at saving time?
 
If you run a club without the intention of actually trying to win things, and continually hire incompetent people who make football decisions (I'm speaking mainly about people above the manager) then things generally won't go well...
 
It’s amazing how much difference a good manager and coaching can do.
 
We are a case study of how money alone doesn't win stuff. You need competence as well.
 
I think this is the devil reaping all the benefits of the many, many deals that were made on a rainy Moscow night in 2008 as John Terry stepped up for his penalty. It's our penance for all of the good times we had from 1993-2013.
 
It's a combination of equally poor recruitment, managerial and structural choices from top to bottom.

Woodward takes the lion's share of the responsibility for the God-awful position the club is in right now. Appointing four successive managerial failures, his scattergun approach to transfers, handing out contract renewals as if they were going out of business and, probably worst of all, referring to the club as the "Disneyland of football" when trying to recruit Jurgen Klopp.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
If you run a club without the intention of actually trying to win things, and continually hire incompetent people who make football decisions (I'm speaking mainly about people above the manager) then things generally won't go well...
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Nickelodeon said:
We are a case study of how money alone doesn't win stuff. You need competence as well.
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Chief123 said:
It’s amazing how much difference a good manager and coaching can do.
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All bang on the money.

It's amazing to me how a global brand like United could make so many horrendous decisions from top to bottom.
 
I’m convinced we’ve been cursed. I struggle to comprehend how it can be this bad given the players we’ve had over the past 10 years. Everything we try fails. World class managers, world class players, unproven managers nothing works. Granted things have been done poorly at times but given the amount of cash we’ve thrown at the team you would have expected at the very least to be comfortable top 4 each season but no not with us. Cursed!
 
AndyMUFC86 said:
I’m convinced we’ve been cursed. I struggle to comprehend how it can be this bad given the players we’ve had over the past 10 years. Everything we try fails. World class managers, world class players, unproven managers nothing works. Granted things have been done poorly at times but given the amount of cash we’ve thrown at the team you would have expected at the very least to be comfortable top 4 each season but no not with us. Cursed!
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You ain't seen nothing yet. Prepare for a decade in which the PL will be dominated by the scousers, the noisy neighbours and the wee club in the North East. I'm just waiting for the news that Leeds are the next in line to be bought by an oil state.
 
Random Task said:
All bang on the money.

It's amazing to me how a global brand like United could make so many horrendous decisions from top to bottom.
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Yep. It's amazing over the last 10 years we've done everything apart from the one thing needed to give us the best chance of competing, hire a world class tactically modern manager. And considering we're one of the biggest clubs in the world and with the money we have, that's some serious buffoonery.
 
It’s simple really, we are run as a business first and a football club 2nd. Our managerial appointments have been based on convenience, we have no strategy in place to help make decisions so we end up just winging it. We saw managers like Pep, Tuchel and Klopp go to our rivals without us even making an attempt, we never recruit young players with world class potential and develop them anymore.
We have been riding on sentiment and what we used to be for so long that we no don’t even know what we represent as a club today, any organisation without an identity is bound to fail and we’re no different.
 
All boils down to the decision makers, the Glazers and the board he has hired to run the club, they pick the managers and the other hires like training staff and steer the club, decide its structure.

I've pointed it out a while back a few times that everything they do turns to shit and offered an example of a typical day stock trader that loses 90% of their trades, we have the same in a football sense with Joel Glazer and his friends running the club.

Big spending normally results in success yet our board and owners have been so bad at spending the clubs money and recruiting they've surpassed the law averages that would normally see the odd major trophy. After a billion spent we should've been better off. The money saved during Fergie's reign was supposed to keep us up there when he left.

If you go through the players and staff and compare to the other clubs you can see how we keep getting it wrong. If there's a curse it's we're cursed with such poor ownership. It's the shambolic recruitment from the top down that yields what we've seen for the last ten years. We'll have to see how Murtough does starting this summer, he's at least capable of making some better decisions and went to Germany to learn and met Ralf there.

The club can start by hiring a current top manager. Jose was the closet thing to that but very obviously was a gamble and he was damaged goods at that point. I could forgive that mistake if the other three managers were current top managers but they weren't and ultimately we've hired non since Fergie, got close with one in Jose and brought our best success but it was too late by then.

LVG a former top coach and Jose both eluded to the club being devoid of anything. They expected and wanted some help but the club still wants a Fergie figure to do it all. You need a direction and authority higher up for the players to be under no matter the manager. The oil clubs have done everything we didn't with the setup. We've let some chinless wonders gamble the house money away.
 
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Because the fans exaggerate and go overboard over a few goals or good passes.

We overrate players so quickly over so little, and ignore the core fundamentals of their game if they do something stand out, or good to look at.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
If you run a club without the intention of actually trying to win things, and continually hire incompetent people who make football decisions (I'm speaking mainly about people above the manager) then things generally won't go well...
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Why do you say the club has been run without the intention of actually trying to win things? I'm sick of this narrative. We have spent a net of 1bn v 400m Liverpool have spent in last 10 years. How is that the actions of a club that had no intentions of winning anything?

I think people mistake being badly run with lack of desire to succeed.

On the hiring side. Yes that is true in the past but it seems to be changing, Arnold needs to be given a chance and Ralph will be operating above the manager shortly..... Ralph being someone this forum has been creaming itself over for a while now.

We have hired the wrong managers and bought the wrong players. I'm pretty sure we didn't do so with the intention of trying not to succeed.
 
How can anyone say that a club with our glorious history is hated by the football Gods?
We have had two spectacularly good managers in our history and had trouble replacing them. Big trouble . But the wheel will turn in our favour again.
 
Elcabron said:
Why do you say the club has been run without the intention of actually trying to win things? I'm sick of this narrative. We have spent a net of 1bn v 400m Liverpool have spent in last 10 years. How is that the actions of a club that had no intentions of winning anything?

I think people mistake being badly run with lack of desire to succeed.

On the hiring side. Yes that is true in the past but it seems to be changing, Arnold needs to be given a chance and Ralph will be operating above the manager shortly..... Ralph being someone this forum has been creaming itself over for a while now.

We have hired the wrong managers and bought the wrong players. I'm pretty sure we didn't do so with the intention of trying not to succeed.
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Because if the club wanted to win things, they wouldn't have Ed Woodward running around been an idiot for 10 years.

Spending money is great, but just doing it isn't an intention of anything. I mean, lets not pretend that the club doesn't love these big money, marquee signings for the marketing/attention anymore then it does for the potential of us actually competing at the top.

Also, I think there's only been one season since Fergie left where our net spend on first teamrs has been above £50m the season after we've qulified for the Champions League, but I'd need to fact check that... it's something like that anyway.
 
1.4 billions spent in last 10 years and won only 2 CL group stage ties.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
Because if the club wanted to win things, they wouldn't have Ed Woodward running around been an idiot for 10 years.

Spending money is great, but just doing it isn't an intention of anything. I mean, lets not pretend that the club doesn't love these big money, marquee signings for the marketing/attention anymore then it does for the potential of us actually competing at the top.

Also, I think there's only been one season since Fergie left where our net spend on first teamrs has been above £50m the season after we've qulified for the Champions League, but I'd need to fact check that... it's something like that anyway.
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I take your point re Woodward but I genuinely believe the intention was there, we were just undone by incompetence for which I blame the Board, Gill and Indeed Fergie as much as Woodward for making an absolute hash of the succession process back in 2013 and lack of value in the market etc prior to that.

I can't post links but looking at a sky sports article on net spend, united highest in Europe with over a billon and absaloutely amazingly, Real Madrid net spend in the last 10 years is only 150m.....makes me want to cry.
 
UpWithRivers said:
I might be sounding like an Arsenal supporter blaming everyone but us however wtf is going on with our club. We blame everyone - The Glaziers, the manager, the board, the recruitment, the players. All have to take a long hard look in the mirror. But at the same time how is it possible that everything United just goes to sht. For example we had 2 potentially world class young English forwards in Rashford and Greenwood. The future was supposed to be built around them both for us and for England. Now look at it. Fkd. Potentially 200 mill worth of talent. We had a world class midfielder in Pogba and that went south. You can literally do this for all our players since Sir Alex. Di Maria class player. Fkd. Maguire 80 mill fkd. Sanchez fkd. And on and on and on. Yes its recruitment and coaching and on and on and on but surely the odds are that even if your recruitment and coaching and everything is sht then something would turn out right. Even by pure fluke. 1 billion spent and absolutely fk all to show for it. Nothing apart from maybe Sancho and Varane. Even Bruno is edging towards the reject pile this season. We came second last year and bought Ronaldo, Varane and Sancho. Yeah no midfielder but still no one on planet earth would have foreseen what happened this season. Off the fkn cliff. Everyone. Gone. Boom.

Seriously I dont get it. Im not even being hysterical and moaning. I literally do not understand how its possible that everything we touch just turns out sht. Explain it to me.
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To make it worse, we literally signed the Fussbalgott too and even that didn’t work.
 
TheRedDevil'sAdvocate said:
You ain't seen nothing yet. Prepare for a decade in which the PL will be dominated by the scousers, the noisy neighbours and the wee club in the North East. I'm just waiting for the news that Leeds are the next in line to be bought by an oil state.
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Haha please no! That would top it all off
 
The glaziers are a real pane in the arse.
 
Don't know if there are football Gods and if they hate us, but the reality is that success in football goes in cycles.

From the mid fifties to the late sixties United's star shone ever brighter, even with the effects of the terrible Munich disaster, the club rose to great heights with Sir Matt finally winning the European Cup in 1968.
Then however we wandered in the football wilderness, through most of the seventies and eighties, finally emerging for another period of success and yes dominance throughout the nineties and the (00)noughtie's, with SAF hitting a peak in 1999/20 with the famous treble.

The thing which stands out in both the Busby and the Ferguson era's wasn't just the ability of these two respective men, but the way in which the club from top to bottom was run. In the period in between when we were wandering in the football wilderness, we had at times some good managers, and some good players, but the Club wasn't 'ship shape' in the way it was run. Martin Edwards did his best (he found Sir Alex) but we really had nobody in the club who knew how to run both an increasingly successful business (publicly quoted company) and also successful football club, after SAF and David Gill left.

Now you could argue we have owners who know how to run a successful business, but still not a successful football club. I fear we are heading for another period in the football wilderness and if their are any football Gods, we had better get out the prayer mats/beads/candles/ whatever!
 
The football gods don't hate United. They hate clubs who think they are entitled to success without putting in the effort to build a title-winning team.

Man City, even with all their wealth as an advantage, still put in the effort to ensure Pep is attracted to the project with a good team above him. They pour massive effort into the recruitment team, their under-21s and etc.

United did none of those things to attract Pep.

Liverpool overhauled their recruitment system, strived to hire progressive and "hip" managers who can improve a team even without a massive transfer war chest. They made sure their club appealed to Klopp when they approach him.

United tried to sell the Club as a footballing Disneyland to Klopp, somehow completely forgetting how much of a socialist Klopp is. Sure, Liverpool's owners are a bunch of venture capitalist, but they were careful to not sell their project to Klopp as if it was a capitalistic wet-dream. Liverpool's owners had done thier homework, United didn't.

The problem is that United's owners and fanbase want instant success. There is no long-term vision at the club. Managers are hired and fired simply because of what people are saying on social media and what pundits are saying on tv.

The club and fans only think in terms of short-term risks and forgot entirely on long-term risks. And until those issues are fixed, the footballing gods hate a bunch of entitled people that is Man United.
 
Vaultech said:
The football gods don't hate United. They hate clubs who think they are entitled to success without putting in the effort to build a title-winning team.

Man City, even with all their wealth as an advantage, still put in the effort to ensure Pep is attracted to the project with a good team above him. They pour massive effort into the recruitment team, their under-21s and etc.

United did none of those things to attract Pep.

Liverpool overhauled their recruitment system, strived to hire progressive and "hip" managers who can improve a team even without a massive transfer war chest. They made sure their club appealed to Klopp when they approach him.

United tried to sell the Club as a footballing Disneyland to Klopp, somehow completely forgetting how much of a socialist Klopp is. Sure, Liverpool's owners are a bunch of venture capitalist, but they were careful to not sell their project to Klopp as if it was a capitalistic wet-dream. Liverpool's owners had done thier homework, United didn't.

The problem is that United's owners and fanbase want instant success. There is no long-term vision at the club. Managers are hired and fired simply because of what people are saying on social media and what pundits are saying on tv.

The club and fans only think in terms of short-term risks and forgot entirely on long-term risks. And until those issues are fixed, the footballing gods hate a bunch of entitled people that is Man United.
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Ironic that SAF was socialist too.

All empires crumble and have to be rebuilt eventually. It happened after Busby and it happened to Liverpool after the 70s and 80s.........

More difficult now to rebuild as even if you have been the most successful club over for two decades and therefore that hard work and success makes you one of the top revenue earners, you have to compete with dodgy foreign owners coming in and distorting the whole football economy with their sportswashing money
 
Elcabron said:
On the hiring side. Yes that is true in the past but it seems to be changing, Arnold needs to be given a chance and Ralph will be operating above the manager shortly..... Ralph being someone this forum has been creaming itself over for a while now.
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It's Ralf, it's ten Hag and it's Atletico!

Have a feeling we need a pop-up window clarifying this.
 
I’m convinced SAF made a deal with the devil and when he left. The deal was done. No ordinary manager wins 13 freaking PL titles.
 
matt10000 said:
Ironic that SAF was socialist too.

All empires crumble and have to be rebuilt eventually. It happened after Busby and it happened to Liverpool after the 70s and 80s.........

More difficult now to rebuild as even if you have been the most successful club over for two decades and therefore that hard work and success makes you one of the top revenue earners, you have to compete with dodgy foreign owners coming in and distorting the whole football economy with their sportswashing money
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I agree with myself, at least Man Utd and Liverpool earned their successes
 
Deery said:
Just need a good manager.
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Look at Pool and Klopp and City an Pep. Used to to be laughing stocks of the league and finished level on points with LVG in that horrendous season. And look at them now.
 
We pay players too much money, so they lose their hunger to be successful. Our standards have dropped in that we accept and reward mediocrity, instead of moving them on.
 
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