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In Garrincha there were matches he was completely non arsed about and some where he didn't even know or care if it was a knockout match or not but he pretty much always gets rated in his 62 form only.
He's been beaten with that stick before. Hell, even I had him once and admitted I couldn't give him instructions, just hope he turned it on and made the difference.
Actually, the "too many cooks" argument usually works when Garrincha is one of them. People focus on ball hogging but the truth is, as you say, his 62 form was the direct result of Pelé being injured and him having to step up. Which he did, all credit to him.
Same with Zidane where even in the NT tournament peak draft he was judged solely on his game winning performances without much taken away for the face he got a red cards in a few big tournaments and routinely didn't show up in peak for every week for his club.
Zidane usually draws such discussions, particularly regarding his peak (not 98 but 00, etc). Nobody even tried pick him at all!
Also I never seen Jairzinho as a match winner unlike many draft games with Zidane or Garrincha who always are in their absolutely top tournament form and never judged on their inconsistent club form. So I disagree about him being overrated. Never seen someone win a draft match because of Jairzinho so you must rate him pretty low
For the record though, I do think Rivellino is definitely a better player and historically an underrated one.
Being a matchwinner isn't the point. I was asked:
And I answered:Keeping aside the game and the result as such, who would you fancy winning the right wing battle?
Finney against Lizarazu or Jairzinho against Zebec?
I find all four wing battles are pretty even. Jairzinho probably has an advantage in not facing a specialist. But then, neither was Jairzinho an out and out RW.
He is overrated if you ask me. He is called the World Cup Hurricane for a reason: he never performed at such lofty heights before or after. It was a perfect storm in both his company and the conditions the games were played in. Lovely player to watch, but 74 was more his level.
Where am I arguing he is overrated as a match-winner? Just pointing out Jairzinho is overrated overall. As you say, Rivelino was absolutely the better player but I seriously doubt the average person thinks so.