Bit of a mouthful that 
The F1 Thread 2009 Season
- Thread starter Leg-End
- Start date
Disappointing from Massa really, but you could see this coming a mile off...
Felipe Massa wants Lewis Hamilton stripped of 2008 title
Felipe Massa wants Lewis Hamilton stripped of 2008 title - Times Online
Felipe Massa demanded last night that Formula One’s authorities strip Lewis Hamilton of his World Championship as the Ferrari driver claimed he was robbed of glory by “Crashgate”.
The fallout from the now notorious 2008 Singapore Grand Prix continues to rain down on the sport and Hamilton, who won the world title from Massa by a point last year, would be the biggest victim if the FIA, the sport’s governing body, takes the Brazilian’s complaints seriously.
Massa argued that the title would have been his but for the artificial result in Singapore last year where Flavio Briatore, the Renault team managing director at the time, ordered Nelson Piquet Jr to crash deliberately so that Fernando Alonso, his team-mate, could leapfrog his rivals and win.
Until the Piquet crash, Massa had led the race comfortably, but he was swallowed up in the chaos of a safety car period and ended the grand prix out of the points, with Hamilton finishing third. If that deeply flawed result from Singapore had been annulled by the FIA after the Crashgate inquiry, Massa would have won the title by five points from Hamilton.
“All of what happened was robbery — but regarding the race nothing has happened, the result remains the same,” Massa said on television in Brazil. “This is not right. The robbery changed the outcome of a championship and I lost the title.”
Briatore, with a lifetime ban, and Pat Symonds, Renault’s director of engineering who was in on the plot and has been sentenced to a five-year ban from motor racing, have paid their penalties. But Massa still has the pain of defeat to go with the fractured skull he suffered in July during qualifying at the Hungarian Grand Prix.
Massa is on the way to recovery, but the bitterness of last season stays, particularly as Hamilton snatched the title away in the last seconds of the final race at the Ferrari driver’s home grand prix in Brazil. Massa pointed out that football matches with fixed results would be declared void and, even in motor racing, results achieved by cheating are scratched from the record books. But not this time.
“I have seen in football how a referee took money to throw a game and all the suspect results were annulled,” Massa said. “In Italy, Juventus were relegated. But in Formula One, they just sent Briatore home. I don’t get it and I don’t think it was right.”
Just to add irony to Massa’s fury, the Brazilian will be partnered at Ferrari next season by Alonso, who has signed a reported £23 million-a-year deal with the team. The pair have had a rocky relationship and there will be no love lost now Massa knows that the Spaniard was the beneficiary of that “fixed” result in Singapore.
But there are no signs yet of Ferrari wanting to contest the result in Singapore and the FIA appear to have drawn a line under events, leaving Massa to stew on his own misfortune.
----
Hamilton's not going to be stripped of the title. He shouldn't be stripped of the title. You'd think Massa would be a little more reticent given he deliberately drove into Hamilton at one point last season... all it does it reflect badly on him, and lose much of the goodwill and reputation he's built up for himself
You lost fair and square Felipe. We have no idea how the Championship would have played out, but it's certainly not Hamilton or McClaren's fault that Renault played the rules like they did. And the incident should technically have no other repercussion to Massa other than the potential that one driver, Alonso, might leapfrog him. The mistake he made was entirely of his own teams making, and it's a bit pathetic in my view he's stooping to this
Felipe Massa wants Lewis Hamilton stripped of 2008 title
Felipe Massa wants Lewis Hamilton stripped of 2008 title - Times Online
Felipe Massa demanded last night that Formula One’s authorities strip Lewis Hamilton of his World Championship as the Ferrari driver claimed he was robbed of glory by “Crashgate”.
The fallout from the now notorious 2008 Singapore Grand Prix continues to rain down on the sport and Hamilton, who won the world title from Massa by a point last year, would be the biggest victim if the FIA, the sport’s governing body, takes the Brazilian’s complaints seriously.
Massa argued that the title would have been his but for the artificial result in Singapore last year where Flavio Briatore, the Renault team managing director at the time, ordered Nelson Piquet Jr to crash deliberately so that Fernando Alonso, his team-mate, could leapfrog his rivals and win.
Until the Piquet crash, Massa had led the race comfortably, but he was swallowed up in the chaos of a safety car period and ended the grand prix out of the points, with Hamilton finishing third. If that deeply flawed result from Singapore had been annulled by the FIA after the Crashgate inquiry, Massa would have won the title by five points from Hamilton.
“All of what happened was robbery — but regarding the race nothing has happened, the result remains the same,” Massa said on television in Brazil. “This is not right. The robbery changed the outcome of a championship and I lost the title.”
Briatore, with a lifetime ban, and Pat Symonds, Renault’s director of engineering who was in on the plot and has been sentenced to a five-year ban from motor racing, have paid their penalties. But Massa still has the pain of defeat to go with the fractured skull he suffered in July during qualifying at the Hungarian Grand Prix.
Massa is on the way to recovery, but the bitterness of last season stays, particularly as Hamilton snatched the title away in the last seconds of the final race at the Ferrari driver’s home grand prix in Brazil. Massa pointed out that football matches with fixed results would be declared void and, even in motor racing, results achieved by cheating are scratched from the record books. But not this time.
“I have seen in football how a referee took money to throw a game and all the suspect results were annulled,” Massa said. “In Italy, Juventus were relegated. But in Formula One, they just sent Briatore home. I don’t get it and I don’t think it was right.”
Just to add irony to Massa’s fury, the Brazilian will be partnered at Ferrari next season by Alonso, who has signed a reported £23 million-a-year deal with the team. The pair have had a rocky relationship and there will be no love lost now Massa knows that the Spaniard was the beneficiary of that “fixed” result in Singapore.
But there are no signs yet of Ferrari wanting to contest the result in Singapore and the FIA appear to have drawn a line under events, leaving Massa to stew on his own misfortune.
----
Hamilton's not going to be stripped of the title. He shouldn't be stripped of the title. You'd think Massa would be a little more reticent given he deliberately drove into Hamilton at one point last season... all it does it reflect badly on him, and lose much of the goodwill and reputation he's built up for himself
You lost fair and square Felipe. We have no idea how the Championship would have played out, but it's certainly not Hamilton or McClaren's fault that Renault played the rules like they did. And the incident should technically have no other repercussion to Massa other than the potential that one driver, Alonso, might leapfrog him. The mistake he made was entirely of his own teams making, and it's a bit pathetic in my view he's stooping to this
That really is Disappointing from Massa judging by this there will be fireworks at Ferrari next year he's not gonna back down to Alonso.
Didn't Massa take off with the fuel hose still attached in the pits anyway during that race? Massa and co. could have made better the situation even if the crash was deliberate.
Its hardly the fault of Lewis or Mclaren that Renault changed that race, and nobody can tell what would have happened if Piquet didnt crash.
Hope to see Felipe back in F1 soon, but he's barking up the wrong tree with this one
Hope to see Felipe back in F1 soon, but he's barking up the wrong tree with this one
Eurgh, had hoped the talk of this was media bollocks, shame he's lowered himself to that really.
It seems that the bump on his head has caused Massa to spew out with such diatribe. Sour grapes is all it is.
Hamilton played a different game after Singapore, you cant tell what he would have done after that. Hamilton is the 2008 Champion and fairly, no question.
I just lost alot of respect for Massa, the way he handled losing the title was graceful, spouting this shit has changed my mind.
I just lost alot of respect for Massa, the way he handled losing the title was graceful, spouting this shit has changed my mind.
Kimi to Toyota rumor? That'd be something
BBC SPORT | Motorsport | Formula 1 | Toyota target Raikkonen for 2010
BBC SPORT | Motorsport | Formula 1 | Toyota target Raikkonen for 2010
He's said he'll only go somewhere who can give him a car to compete for the WDC, Toyota are yet to win a race, so don't think that one is going to happen.
what are his realistic options then?
red bull are unlikely to get rid of vettel or webber
Brawn aren't going to sack button or rubens
Mclaren are a possibility in for heikki, but after him going to ferrari how he did i wouldn't want him if i was whitmarsh
Force India aren't quite at that level but if the owner throws his money around who knows
Renault aren't good enough and there name is dragged through the mud, can't see him going there
so personally i think there are flaws with him going to most of the teams, and i haven't thought about all of them because i am too lazy.
maybe he will end up at lotus? stranger things have happened
also i would like to add that it will be brilliant to see lotus back in F1
red bull are unlikely to get rid of vettel or webber
Brawn aren't going to sack button or rubens
Mclaren are a possibility in for heikki, but after him going to ferrari how he did i wouldn't want him if i was whitmarsh
Force India aren't quite at that level but if the owner throws his money around who knows
Renault aren't good enough and there name is dragged through the mud, can't see him going there
so personally i think there are flaws with him going to most of the teams, and i haven't thought about all of them because i am too lazy.
maybe he will end up at lotus? stranger things have happened
also i would like to add that it will be brilliant to see lotus back in F1
McLaren would have him back in a heartbeat, he got on well with all the mechanics and they always spoke highly of him after his exit. In fact the only problematic person at McLaren was Dennis, who is no longer there; Whitmarsh has already said he would have Kimi back, as has Norbert Haug. From what Kimi's said about wanting a winning car and from what Haug and Whitmarsh have said I still think he's heading to McLaren.
If not he'll go to WRC or similar.
Totally forgot about the frigging time difference today and I've missed quali
If not he'll go to WRC or similar.
Totally forgot about the frigging time difference today and I've missed quali
Ferrari should have signed Vettel. Alonso isn't the quickest driver. Hamilton & Vettel are both quicker. I would expect McLaren to be very strong next year. I would also think that Massa will be very pissed off to have Alonsa as team mate after the Renault scandel.
As for tomorrow, it's a decent qualifying for Button at 7 with more fuel on board. He's got the more favourable strategy and should make up a few places during the race. He can do a similar thing in the last 2 races a win the championship comfortably.
As for tomorrow, it's a decent qualifying for Button at 7 with more fuel on board. He's got the more favourable strategy and should make up a few places during the race. He can do a similar thing in the last 2 races a win the championship comfortably.
That was a great session of qualy, probably best of the season and much better than the singapore race anyway ( )
)Button demoted as Vettel shines
Championship leader Jenson Button and title rival Rubens Barrichello have each been penalised five starting places for the Japanese Grand Prix.
The Brawn pair, along with Fernando Alonso and Adrian Sutil, failed to slow for yellow flags in a crash-strewn qualifying session at Suzuka.
Button is down to 12th and Barrichello to 10th on the provisional race grid.
Red Bull's Sebastian Vettel, who has a slim championship chance with two more grands prix after Japan, grabbed pole.
Sebastien Buemi was also demoted five places, and given a reprimand, for driving back to the pits in his damaged Toro Rosso after the crash that caused the yellow flags to come out.
Button and Barrichello set times under yellow flags
Toyota's Jarno Trulli will start alongside German Vettel on the front row with McLaren's Lewis Hamilton in third position.
Button had qualified in seventh, Barrichello in fifth, Renault's Alonso in 12th, Sutil in fourth for Force India and Buemi in 10th, but they will all start five positions lower.
The penalty is a blow for Englishman Button's hopes of clinching the title in Japan, where he will become champion if he finishes at least five points ahead of Brazilian veteran Barrichello.
On top of these penalties, it is understood that Finn Heikki Kovalainen of McLaren is expected to change his gearbox and incur a five-place penalty.
Italian Tonio Liuzzi of Force India has already received a similar penalty as he changed his gearbox ahead of qualifying.
German Timo Glock, who crashed heavily in his Toyota, may not be fit to race after suffering a cut to his left leg.
The FIA, the sport's governing body, says it plans to confirm the fully revised grid by 0200 BST on Sunday, four hours before the race is due to start.
Button conceded he had contravened the regulations, but felt driving around the debris was all he could do under the circumstances.
"We got a five-place penalty for not slowing down sufficiently after the yellow flag but from my point of view, I did the right thing," he said.
"I took avoiding action and when I saw the yellow flag, it was just before the front wing so I moved to one side."
He added: "The regulations say you have to slow down enough and you've got to lift off the throttle, which I didn't do so I got penalised.
"I respect their decision but for me, it was the best thing to do, I had one second to make a decision."
Team boss Ross Brawn had no complaints about the punishments, saying: "It doesn't make any difference to us to be honest.
"It's disappointing because obviously it's going to be far more difficult to score enough points tomorrow to try and do what we're trying to do, but it could have been worse.
"There have been examples of both sides, of leniency and much more draconian penalties for such a thing. We did commit an offence and it was a reasonable penalty for what we did.
"If we apply the principle that a driver has to lift (the throttle) every time he sees a yellow on a straight, that's going to get quite tricky. We often get yellows in the race on the straights and the drivers don't lift.
"With hindsight, we could have shouted to them on the radio but we don't do that as standard practice. Probably a momentary lift would have solved the problem."
BBC SPORT | Motorsport | Formula 1 | Button demoted as Vettel shines
*****************************
Shame, but you can't say it wasn't coming, nor was it undeserved. Unfortunate as it was, the fact remained there was a yellow flag and they should therefore have backed off.
Of course, this highlights the ridiculousness of continuing the session on a yellow flag - I know the timer gets paused for a red flag, but it should also get paused for a yellow. The entire point of qualifying is to set the fastest lap time, so if there is a yellow flag meaning that the drivers have to slow then they're obviously being prevented from doing that, so time is just being wasted. It's tantamount to a red flag in qualifying conditions, essentially.
Championship leader Jenson Button and title rival Rubens Barrichello have each been penalised five starting places for the Japanese Grand Prix.
The Brawn pair, along with Fernando Alonso and Adrian Sutil, failed to slow for yellow flags in a crash-strewn qualifying session at Suzuka.
Button is down to 12th and Barrichello to 10th on the provisional race grid.
Red Bull's Sebastian Vettel, who has a slim championship chance with two more grands prix after Japan, grabbed pole.
Sebastien Buemi was also demoted five places, and given a reprimand, for driving back to the pits in his damaged Toro Rosso after the crash that caused the yellow flags to come out.
Button and Barrichello set times under yellow flags
Toyota's Jarno Trulli will start alongside German Vettel on the front row with McLaren's Lewis Hamilton in third position.
Button had qualified in seventh, Barrichello in fifth, Renault's Alonso in 12th, Sutil in fourth for Force India and Buemi in 10th, but they will all start five positions lower.
The penalty is a blow for Englishman Button's hopes of clinching the title in Japan, where he will become champion if he finishes at least five points ahead of Brazilian veteran Barrichello.
On top of these penalties, it is understood that Finn Heikki Kovalainen of McLaren is expected to change his gearbox and incur a five-place penalty.
Italian Tonio Liuzzi of Force India has already received a similar penalty as he changed his gearbox ahead of qualifying.
German Timo Glock, who crashed heavily in his Toyota, may not be fit to race after suffering a cut to his left leg.
The FIA, the sport's governing body, says it plans to confirm the fully revised grid by 0200 BST on Sunday, four hours before the race is due to start.
Button conceded he had contravened the regulations, but felt driving around the debris was all he could do under the circumstances.
"We got a five-place penalty for not slowing down sufficiently after the yellow flag but from my point of view, I did the right thing," he said.
"I took avoiding action and when I saw the yellow flag, it was just before the front wing so I moved to one side."
He added: "The regulations say you have to slow down enough and you've got to lift off the throttle, which I didn't do so I got penalised.
"I respect their decision but for me, it was the best thing to do, I had one second to make a decision."
Team boss Ross Brawn had no complaints about the punishments, saying: "It doesn't make any difference to us to be honest.
"It's disappointing because obviously it's going to be far more difficult to score enough points tomorrow to try and do what we're trying to do, but it could have been worse.
"There have been examples of both sides, of leniency and much more draconian penalties for such a thing. We did commit an offence and it was a reasonable penalty for what we did.
"If we apply the principle that a driver has to lift (the throttle) every time he sees a yellow on a straight, that's going to get quite tricky. We often get yellows in the race on the straights and the drivers don't lift.
"With hindsight, we could have shouted to them on the radio but we don't do that as standard practice. Probably a momentary lift would have solved the problem."
BBC SPORT | Motorsport | Formula 1 | Button demoted as Vettel shines
*****************************
Shame, but you can't say it wasn't coming, nor was it undeserved. Unfortunate as it was, the fact remained there was a yellow flag and they should therefore have backed off.
Of course, this highlights the ridiculousness of continuing the session on a yellow flag - I know the timer gets paused for a red flag, but it should also get paused for a yellow. The entire point of qualifying is to set the fastest lap time, so if there is a yellow flag meaning that the drivers have to slow then they're obviously being prevented from doing that, so time is just being wasted. It's tantamount to a red flag in qualifying conditions, essentially.
Yeah as soon as the 2 Brawn's went out and got the yellow flag on there fast laps I knew they were heading for a penalty, I am kinda surprised Brawn didnt see the penalities coming and fuel the cars up, now they are light and further back. Grid is still provisonal and will be until tomorrow so might change again yet but in its current state Button needs to get past Alguersauri who is heavy and he will be ok in relation to Barrichello.
An absolutely bonkers qualifying session, the soft tyre seems to lose crazy amounts of grip towards the end of the lap on some cars.
I wouldn't be surprised if we had a safety car at some point tomorrow
I wouldn't be surprised if we had a safety car at some point tomorrow
I felt sorry for Massa before.
Now? Not at all. Hope he is out for longer. He crashed into Hamilton last year, and its pathetic to think that Hamilton should be punished for other teams idiocy.
feck of Massa, big fat feck off.
Now? Not at all. Hope he is out for longer. He crashed into Hamilton last year, and its pathetic to think that Hamilton should be punished for other teams idiocy.
feck of Massa, big fat feck off.
Hope he's out for longer? Classless twat.
further to the Massa thing
if the result of the singapore 2008 race was annulled then that would mean alot more races would have to be annulled, does he want races annulled when someone cheats by being overweight or overtaking on a yellow flag etc..
if anything should happen then Alonso's win should be taken away, meaning Hamilton would get more points and would have won the championship by more points
if the result of the singapore 2008 race was annulled then that would mean alot more races would have to be annulled, does he want races annulled when someone cheats by being overweight or overtaking on a yellow flag etc..
if anything should happen then Alonso's win should be taken away, meaning Hamilton would get more points and would have won the championship by more points
Well that was a massive save by Button really, where he was at the end of Lap 1 I thought he was gonna lose alot on Vettel and Barrichello.
Net 15 point advantage with his superior win count, 4th wins the title in Brazil which looks to be a Brawn track regardless of where others finish. Stranger things have happened aka 2007 but it looks in reach.
Net 15 point advantage with his superior win count, 4th wins the title in Brazil which looks to be a Brawn track regardless of where others finish. Stranger things have happened aka 2007 but it looks in reach.
Top 4 finish in Brazil will win Button the title. Button has to feel pretty confident now.
feck sake rubens, I knew he would bottle it.
I do hope Button does get in done in Brazil will be a great time to go there at the moment as for today great drive from Vettel today.
The last page mentioned Nakajima driving for Williams for the Toyota engine contract I didn't know he had no points Rosberg has 34 just terrible that must be tough to take for good drivers like Anthony Davidson not in F1.
The last page mentioned Nakajima driving for Williams for the Toyota engine contract I didn't know he had no points Rosberg has 34 just terrible that must be tough to take for good drivers like Anthony Davidson not in F1.
The speed Vettel had today was incredible, not seen a dominant car like that in a while.
Brazil should be an entertaining GP
Brazil should be an entertaining GP
Vettel should move to Ferrari if he ever gets the oppurtunity, he is easily the best driver in Formula 1 atm. And still being only 22 - he has many great things ahead of him.
Nah I don't think hes up there with Alonso, Kimi and Hamilton yet.
He is a potential future great but he is not the best driver on the grid by any stretch.
He is a potential future great but he is not the best driver on the grid by any stretch.
I did say, (atm)
Anyway, i still think he is the best driver.
Well if you are talking about current form nobody has scored more points than Raikkonen since Germany.
I really like Vettel, and definitely think he's got it in him to be WDC on the future, but for the time being there are at least 3 better drivers, arguably more.
I really like Vettel, and definitely think he's got it in him to be WDC on the future, but for the time being there are at least 3 better drivers, arguably more.
Well most people don't go by results I mean you could say the best driver right now is the driver with the most points Button or say the best is the current world champion.
As for driving talent he is up there I would bet my house he will be a world champ some day but I don't think no a par with Alonso, Kimi and Hamilton yet IMO but I think he will be.
As for driving talent he is up there I would bet my house he will be a world champ some day but I don't think no a par with Alonso, Kimi and Hamilton yet IMO but I think he will be.
Results aren't always a definitive show of the best driver, but that Ferrari is a dog and Raikkonen is putting it in places it has no place being.
I think Alonso is probably the top driver on the grid, Raikkonen and Hamilton just behind him with not too much to choose between them but IMO Raikkonen is probably the faster in optimal machinery (just).
Vettel is definitely one to watch for the future though.
I think Alonso is probably the top driver on the grid, Raikkonen and Hamilton just behind him with not too much to choose between them but IMO Raikkonen is probably the faster in optimal machinery (just).
Vettel is definitely one to watch for the future though.
I agree with Alonso he is the best but I think we have talked about this before you know I would rather Lewis but its only my opinion. But I will give it to Kimi you got to he is driving a poor car and doing great things he has been the best since Germany.
I honestly can't wait to see Alonso in a Ferrari because I hope it will be the return of the McLaren vs Ferrari days with hopefully Brawn in there too.
Ross Brawn's comments of late though have kinda surprised me, it wouldn't surprise me at all to see Button not in that Brawn next season.
Ross Brawn's comments of late though have kinda surprised me, it wouldn't surprise me at all to see Button not in that Brawn next season.
Kimi and Hamilton are very close and I accept it is just a case of opinion, I don't think anyone (expect for idiot fanboys like on P-F1) could really argue that either is easily better than the other.
Disappointing from Massa really, but you could see this coming a mile off...
Felipe Massa wants Lewis Hamilton stripped of 2008 title
Felipe Massa wants Lewis Hamilton stripped of 2008 title - Times Online
Felipe Massa demanded last night that Formula One’s authorities strip Lewis Hamilton of his World Championship as the Ferrari driver claimed he was robbed of glory by “Crashgate”.
The fallout from the now notorious 2008 Singapore Grand Prix continues to rain down on the sport and Hamilton, who won the world title from Massa by a point last year, would be the biggest victim if the FIA, the sport’s governing body, takes the Brazilian’s complaints seriously.
Massa argued that the title would have been his but for the artificial result in Singapore last year where Flavio Briatore, the Renault team managing director at the time, ordered Nelson Piquet Jr to crash deliberately so that Fernando Alonso, his team-mate, could leapfrog his rivals and win.
Until the Piquet crash, Massa had led the race comfortably, but he was swallowed up in the chaos of a safety car period and ended the grand prix out of the points, with Hamilton finishing third. If that deeply flawed result from Singapore had been annulled by the FIA after the Crashgate inquiry, Massa would have won the title by five points from Hamilton.
“All of what happened was robbery — but regarding the race nothing has happened, the result remains the same,” Massa said on television in Brazil. “This is not right. The robbery changed the outcome of a championship and I lost the title.”
Briatore, with a lifetime ban, and Pat Symonds, Renault’s director of engineering who was in on the plot and has been sentenced to a five-year ban from motor racing, have paid their penalties. But Massa still has the pain of defeat to go with the fractured skull he suffered in July during qualifying at the Hungarian Grand Prix.
Massa is on the way to recovery, but the bitterness of last season stays, particularly as Hamilton snatched the title away in the last seconds of the final race at the Ferrari driver’s home grand prix in Brazil. Massa pointed out that football matches with fixed results would be declared void and, even in motor racing, results achieved by cheating are scratched from the record books. But not this time.
“I have seen in football how a referee took money to throw a game and all the suspect results were annulled,” Massa said. “In Italy, Juventus were relegated. But in Formula One, they just sent Briatore home. I don’t get it and I don’t think it was right.”
Just to add irony to Massa’s fury, the Brazilian will be partnered at Ferrari next season by Alonso, who has signed a reported £23 million-a-year deal with the team. The pair have had a rocky relationship and there will be no love lost now Massa knows that the Spaniard was the beneficiary of that “fixed” result in Singapore.
But there are no signs yet of Ferrari wanting to contest the result in Singapore and the FIA appear to have drawn a line under events, leaving Massa to stew on his own misfortune.
----
Hamilton's not going to be stripped of the title. He shouldn't be stripped of the title. You'd think Massa would be a little more reticent given he deliberately drove into Hamilton at one point last season... all it does it reflect badly on him, and lose much of the goodwill and reputation he's built up for himself
You lost fair and square Felipe. We have no idea how the Championship would have played out, but it's certainly not Hamilton or McClaren's fault that Renault played the rules like they did. And the incident should technically have no other repercussion to Massa other than the potential that one driver, Alonso, might leapfrog him. The mistake he made was entirely of his own teams making, and it's a bit pathetic in my view he's stooping to this
So he should be stripped of his title, because Ferrari's fuel system fecked up? Right.... I know he got hit hard in the head, but jesus fecking H christ.
And people still wonder why I don't like Massa. He can get fecked for all I care. He'll be royally fecked by Alonso next year, and if Ferrari had not played the stupid equal driver game that backfired royally last year and this year as results stand, he'd have been fecked by Raikkonen.
Get the fecking toad back. He atleast had a clue about driver management.
Feed the best feck the rest.
Whilst I generally agree with your point about the toad, his son is Massa's manager and that is one of the main reasons he was there.
Ferrari have lost huge members of their team over recent years in Brawn, Byrne, and Todt, and they really need to get a grip if they are going to return to any sort of form.
Ferrari have lost huge members of their team over recent years in Brawn, Byrne, and Todt, and they really need to get a grip if they are going to return to any sort of form.
Sorry, who is "the Toad"?
I thought you'd have known, given David Jason voiced him as well as your own Count Duckula
Jean Todt, ex-Ferrari executive director.