The amount of work harms has put into this draft is incredible, reminds me of @Joga Bonito in the English draft where I felt he should have won the whole thing as a reward for his dedication. Then I realized that was normal Joga later 
The Euro Draft - QF - harms vs crappy
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It will be 1931–32 Central European International Cup version, during that time he was a stalwart for Juventus as well winning 5 titles in a row
Here is nice piece on Rosetta for everyone
I forgot to change it from the first game where I wanted a more loopsided formation, I said earlier that he is free to go forward when he sees a possibility - I trust him maybe the most here, he really had a great understanding of the game, after spending so much time with Lobanovsky
Are you seriously suggesting that any one who elects an older player in these drafts needs to match full matches to judge them in anyway?
Why are you telling me about other dutch players? How does it even matter, Krol's peak lasted through the 70's starting with Ajax's success and culminating in his sweeper role in 78 WC. During the same he played in Euros for dutch, in the same euros in which he was selected as the best left back of the tournament. Why would I need to qualify his role or form in this match? Is the draft rule that the peak performance of a player in the draft match has to be equal to some replica of performance from a real match?
Agreed, and Senna has better Euro credentials than Tardelli anyway. I would have liked the notion of Tigana-Tardelli going on runs either side of Platini, but only if you had a holding Senna behind him. That would have cost Figo though and, in this game and company, I would stick with Figo. The problem is the defence is a bit of a shambles with Scirea/Krol not at their highs, Dellas making it on the back of an extraordinarily defensive team and setup and Rossetta looking out of place based on the fit between his job here and what little I know of him (strikes me as Mauro Ramos of sorts). When you face an attack largely comprised of standout performers and EuroGOAT contenders you can't afford that.
I don't get half the criticism for crappie team, looks like it would work well.
I remember a huge furore in a previous draft when I think someone else proposed to use Meazza on the right but it doesn't seem to be happening in this, rightly or wrongly I'm not too sure. From what I know of him you could be effective in that role but it's difficult to judge with older players.
I went with crappy but it's close and I may still change my vote.
I remember a huge furore in a previous draft when I think someone else proposed to use Meazza on the right but it doesn't seem to be happening in this, rightly or wrongly I'm not too sure. From what I know of him you could be effective in that role but it's difficult to judge with older players.
I went with crappy but it's close and I may still change my vote.
@antohan - Since you have already voted, I would appreciate if you did not contribute in this match up in a turbo manner now. I appreciate the points you have made for and against my team. But given I see very little scope in you changing your vote, I don't want to derail for this undecided voters by replying to your points (that chain will never end and consume the whole thread)
Thanks
Thanks
I think that was the World Cup draft and it was a similar thing as yesterday with Zebec. "Did he really play there?", cue questioning various teamsheets presented as evidence, then mixed up with ongoing discussions about the WM, WW, MM and whatnot and it's implication to inside and outside forwards... You know the drill.
Can Meazza play at inside right? Yes. Will he provide great width? Nope, that's what Bessonov is there for. At least that's my take on it.
No worries mate. I'm actually quite busy today and won't be around much, which is why I went straight for a decision over bouncing various questions off either manager.
If you start falling behind and need some votes you can always tag me and I'll turbo up the thread so it gets bumped and draws more votes (that's actually a big part of what I consider "my role" as an outsider, keep it bumped!).
I'd tend to agree but it is difficult with these older players.
Great game so far, one of the more interesting ones,
Erm, because this is a Euro draft and not a 70's draft? You have Krol as one of the most important players here, tactically. We are judging him by his Euro performances in 1976, but somehow his club form is relevant? I don't argue with Rosetti's 5 scudetto's, you have to introduce him somehow, but the footage of Krol's performances in 1976 is available and he isn't the monster that you paint him to be, that don't need a left winger (so he must have done something outstanding in attack, yes? but no, he didn't). His form in that tournament was average - but there were no other better left back in that tournament, as simple as that.
And I'll just continue to rub it in - in one goal there is the best goalkeeper ever (and in the draft) Lev Yashin, in the other - a keeper that conceded 7 goals from my main striker in one European (ergo relevant) game. Go figure.
I know that keepers can do feck all in this draft, even after De Gea's heroic this season they still are somehow irrelevant, but come on!
I know that keepers can do feck all in this draft, even after De Gea's heroic this season they still are somehow irrelevant, but come on!
Wll that is your opinion. He was also listed as the best Dutch player on display in that tournament, a dutch team that did beat Yugoslavia to finish third.
Where?
Re: opinion - well, yeah, but I would want to ask another opinions if anyone here watched that Euro. The claim of top 5 left backs ever is completely irrelevant here
If you really think that Sarosi facing Planicka is the thing that will decide this match then you have lost the plot. Yashin is marginally better than Planicka so that adds to your defensive unit but I would rather have someone like Scirea leading the defensive line. You simply have no defender equal or even near him in your unit.
DF: Ruud Krol (Netherlands) One of the central figures in the emergence of Dutch 'total football' during the 1970s, Krol was a classy, authoritative defender who could play just about anywhere. He came to prominence with AFC Ajax, winning back-to-back European Champion Clubs' Cups, but it was at the 1974 FIFA World Cup where he really made his name. Although the Oranje only finished third at the 1976 UEFA European Championship, he was the outstanding Dutchman on view. He went on to captain his country to another World Cup final in 1978 and accumulated a then-national record 83 caps.
http://www.uefa.com/news/newsid=1623462.html
It's not like I have the best defender of 1976 leading my defence, who was voted as 6th best player in Europe that season because of that performance. It's not like I have the best stopper/man-marker in USSR history, who captained his average team to the final in 1972, not conceding in 1/4 and 1/2. Yeah. Again, you confuse a career peak and the actual Euro level here. I know that I brought it on myself with all those unfamiliar names but they were top performers as I proved over and over.
Ahh fair do's. I can see why Vogts would be one to avoid in this game anyway and your midfield still looks excellent.
It's no big loss in that respect but Tardelli and Tigana would have been fantastic together - two complete midfielders, would have been a nightmare to play against and mark going forward.
Meazza is not going to stretch the play, so technically you don't need Krol there. Senna would be better placed to drop back there and support. Krol for width makes more sense now.
Bezsonov and Van Moer will.
Can you explain on this a bit more? From what I think, Voronin will not be able to handle Platini on his own. Which kinda makes van Moer play a tad defensively. Will he have the same impact as he did for Belgium. If he drifts right, will you be open for a quick counter. Thoughts?
Bezsonov seems to a attacking type. Though you don't have a arrow there, I'm assuming he doesn't do a Bergomi. He can handle Krol, but there will be a few crosses every so often imo.
Van Moer will play like he played for Belgium - look at the videos. He is doing his defensive work and in possession he is capable of drifting wide - but mostly it will be Bezsonov, it is his natural play. There is no problem with width here on my right side, and Krol (who gets overrated here by crappy because of his career, as I said earlier) will have to do his share of defensive duties.
Bezsonov is a lot like Gerets, actually (but faster), with whom Van Moer formed a brilliant partnership in 1980.
What I don't understand here is, mostly, Dellas - he isn't a good fit in crappy's fluid defensive system - he is a player that benefited from Greece's reactive play - but in a quick and open encounter, which this will most certainly be, he will be exposed to Meazza/Sarosi or even Schuster at times.
From that Dutch team, most people would have Cryuff as their favourite player. For me it has always been Neeskens followed by Krol. 
Van Hanegem is mine, followed by Neeskens Krol was good in 1976, but nothing more - second Czechoslovakian goal, for example, came from his side and the third started from the right flank also. And Netherland's main attacking threat in both games was coming from the right flank.
Krol was good in 1976, but nothing more - second Czechoslovakian goal, for example, came from his side and the third started from the right flank also. And Netherland's main attacking threat in both games was coming from the right flank.Van Hanegem is mine, followed by Neeskens
I always thought Rijsbergen was covering for Suurbier better than Haan who was playing sweeper himself.
My only real concern with Crappy's team is his central defence. Both Scirea and Dellas effectively operated as the spare man sweeping their back line so I'm not sold on the complementarity of their roles there.
Harms is brilliantly true to the spirit of the draft.
Harms is brilliantly true to the spirit of the draft.
Well, that was close. Good thing that I sent all those PM's to Germans and Serbians out here.
Good game, @crappycraperson, and a kudos for doing something unexpected here.
Good game, @crappycraperson, and a kudos for doing something unexpected here.