This thread has nothing to do with today's win.
I was actually meant to make it last week, but I cba typing all of that on a mobile. But lucky for you, I'm on a laptop today.
The English contingent at our club
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I was actually meant to make it last week, but I cba typing all of that on a mobile. But lucky for you, I'm on a laptop today.
It’s posts like this which are so fecking thick you don’t really know what to say.
Stay forever guys.
Eff these fans.
Eff these fans.
Does their poor performance make them ‘bad eggs’? If so, you could say the whole squad were ‘bad eggs’ last season.
The best we can do is break them up and get a new contingent in and see what happens. We haven't introduced any talented English lad in ages since Greenwood.
My take away from this and some other similar threads is there seems to be a weirdly large group of fans who support our English club that seem to actively hate the English, somebody above even seems to have a problem with Mancunians. You guys are fecking weird. Or there must be some place in the world where which club you support is mandated rather than you being able to choose one for yourself.
Ronaldo - pretty toxic.
Fernandes - nothing wrong with his attitude other than when he flaps his arms about, and plays better when Ronaldo is off the pitch. Gives it his all on the pitch, although it always doesn't come off. Needs to be more careful on the ball.
Dalot - he's a trier. Might not be the best, but he puts in the effort, and come across like someone that wants to improve week in week out.
Shall we expand to 'Portuguese speaking' contingent?
Fred - similar to Dalot. No complaints about his effort, application and the way he comes across. He might not be the best, but he gives it his all.
Well yes it seems bigoted when you group all their negative characteristics under a collective umbrella.
Nonsense. Some of our best players have been the English ones.
We're lightyears away from a team that had Rio, Rooney, Scholes, Carrick, and even Hargreaves. Leaders on the pitch, the right attitude and a cut above their peers.
Even going back a few years before that our English group with the Nevilles, Beckham, Butt - again, quality on the pitch, the right mentality, and players that would put in a performance worthy of the shirt week in week out.
These are the players that Gerrard alluded to when he spoke about how they were a cut above.
The fitness, yes, although this is an issue right across the team affecting our ability to counteract opposition midfielders and wide-sided defenders bursting through our lines, even when we step up the effort ( as with Southampton): however, I don't Sancho should be necessarily blamed for looking out of sorts stylistically in a team build up play is either erratic or barely-existent, dependent upon the players. He doesn't have the physical attributes to make up for disjointed team play but to return to that kind of profile as a preference risks going back to Ole ball or eve Jose's 'sit tight then sort it out yourselves' attitude to progressive attacking play, where everything was just 'moments'.
Sancho's profile as an interlinking player, with shades of fleeter-footed, slightly tougher Mata at times is more likely to get us results if we play to it as a team by encouraging proper overloads and one touch combination combinations around the opposition's box, , give and go transitions and so on, as opposed to thinking in terms of building around, say, Rashford's strengths (and weaknesses) , which would lead us back to counterattacking at best. That's not even about getting the best out of Sancho as 'star' but more about forcing ourselves to play a necessarily more progressive game with higher probability of creating chances without relying upon someone to come up with some feat of dribbling or first-season Bruno-worldie.
It's interesting seeing the divide in the fanbase when it comes to our players... Certain types target the foreign contingent and other types solely target the English born players
Fact is, you can count on one hand the amount of successful signings we've made in the last 10 years and I don't think you'd be using all of your fingers
Personal prejudice shouldn't cloud the fact that 90% of ALL our signings in this period has ended in disaster
Fact is, you can count on one hand the amount of successful signings we've made in the last 10 years and I don't think you'd be using all of your fingers
Personal prejudice shouldn't cloud the fact that 90% of ALL our signings in this period has ended in disaster
We don't really know what their personalities are like behind closed doors. All we can go by are their performances.
Ok ignore the title of the thread - what do you disagree with about my take on Rashford, Shaw and Maguire?
Since when is Fred Portuguese??? 
Since when is Fred Portuguese???
Some of the players have struggled and part of that has to be down to United’s management team but there’s clearly questions around mentality and quality e.g. Maguire & Shaw.
However, it has been a problem at United regardless of nationality or the player we’ve brought in, we seem to drag everyone down which for me really started to grow in animosity around the Mourinho era.
Having grown up with Scholes etc we were so spoilt.
However, it has been a problem at United regardless of nationality or the player we’ve brought in, we seem to drag everyone down which for me really started to grow in animosity around the Mourinho era.
Having grown up with Scholes etc we were so spoilt.
I think this is a big case of the halo effect. They're just not as good.
I dont think thats fair though. Much like I dont like when people put McT in with the english lads. His attitude is much better than theirs.
It doesn't really matter what I think of those opinions. Imagine if someone started a thread last season saying 'the black contingent at our club' decrying the performances of Fred, Pogba, Varane, Rashford etc' I'm sure that you'd be rightly outraged. You're implying that there's something implicit in that immutable characteristic that is making them a bad player.
Just wait till the English national team play. It’ll really open your eyes….this forum has quite a strong (or at least vocal) anti-English vibe.
It’s alright though, feck the haters
you are just a weird triggered local fan who doesn't try to reason but to resort to Ad hominem.
the OP is just speaking facts. The current English players in Man Utd squad (with Sancho still having a benefit of doubt) are either lazy and toxic or are passive and weak. You must be blind and biased if you do not agree that Rashford, Henderson, Lingard, Greenwood, Shaw have attitude problems and Maguire Jones and awb are mentally weak. Most of the international fans criticising current English players here were fans of Beckham, Scholes, Carrick etc back in the days.
Yeah, getting rid of all the English players might not work out so great given all PL clubs are required to register no less than 8 homegrown players in a squad of 25.
Think it through lads
How long till a bad 'phase' becomes just being pure shite? It's been over a year and a half now, way before he missed that penalty.
Also, in regards to confidence, he got a goal last game and then reverted straight back to his average level of performance this week. Expected a lot more.
The only my person that has wasted his talent is Greenwood
The other players are ok but jut not good enough for this level but they have all worked hard to get to this level
It’s not easy making it as a pro footballer so you have to work hard and give up a lot of other stuff
Rashford has lost confidence and hopefully get it back soon
We need the home grown players to fulfil our home grown quota anyway
The other players are ok but jut not good enough for this level but they have all worked hard to get to this level
It’s not easy making it as a pro footballer so you have to work hard and give up a lot of other stuff
Rashford has lost confidence and hopefully get it back soon
We need the home grown players to fulfil our home grown quota anyway
United's biggest and most pressing issue is our inability to handle a high staff turnover (ins and outs). That means that we end up keeping or even giving contract extensions to players that should be at the door. That creates a level of complacency and it gives the message that a player can almost get away with everything at this club. I mean look at the players that should have been out but are still on our payroll from Jones to Martial right to Henderson, Shaw, McT and VDB. Yet they are all there sucking cash out of the club.
I wouldn't worry about the homegrown quota so much as we have quite an exciting pipeline of talent coming through.
For starters, there's McTominay, Elanga in the first team and getting minutes.
Then there's the likes of Garner, Hannibal, Garnacho who will be pushing for minutes this season (unless Hannibal goes on loan).
Then there's the likes of Laird, Mengi, Fernandez who I think will be getting minutes next season.
And that's not including those players that count as homegrown, although not 'homegrown' with the club such as Sancho.
For starters, there's McTominay, Elanga in the first team and getting minutes.
Then there's the likes of Garner, Hannibal, Garnacho who will be pushing for minutes this season (unless Hannibal goes on loan).
Then there's the likes of Laird, Mengi, Fernandez who I think will be getting minutes next season.
And that's not including those players that count as homegrown, although not 'homegrown' with the club such as Sancho.
Exactly which makes threads such as this very bizarre.
To be fair, if you’re talking about trequarista referring to “typical gobby mancs” I’d say this, I am a manc and would not disagree with anybody saying we generally are a bit gobby.
Well I would, because I could get into an argument in an empty room, but still.
Tbh, you can tell a lot about someone's personality with what they show on the pitch over a sustained period of time. It's actually very much a reflection of their personality, in my opinion.
No, you can include a maximum of two academy products in a squad of 25, mate. The other 6 need to be fully-fledged members of the squad.
Racist thread.
It just isn’t true though. There’s loads of players in history who were known for being incredibly meek and quiet off the pitch, and the exact opposite on it.
Usually you'd benefit a lot from having a core of English players at the club, and it's the same in any country really. Because they usually connect better with the club, they don't ask to leave, they understand the culture better, and they provide a needed stability. But when this core of players are rubbish then it does the opposite. Ole in a way understood the importance of having that and went out of his way to sign British players that he can build the club around, but unfortunately made the wrong choices. The current group is very poor overall, the talent is there with some of them, but the mentality is not. If we're lucky most of them won't be here in a couple of years. That's why English players are extremely expensive.
The FA is considering upping the homegrown rule from 8 to 12 players next season, too.
The Homegrown Player Rule is an initiative of the English Premier League to allow for more domestic players to be developed from an earlier age in the hope of nurturing more homegrown talent. It forms part of the League's Elite Player Performance Plan. The Premier League clubs can have a maximum of 17 non-"homegrown" players in each club squad, and the squad size is a maximum of 25. This means that in a full squad of 25 players, there must be at least eight homegrown players.[1][2] Greg Dyke, the former chairman of the Football Association (FA), wanted to implement much stronger regulation of foreign players. His intention is to help England to win the 2022 World Cup in Qatar, as he stated in an op-ed piece.[3]
The Homegrown Player Rule is an initiative of the English Premier League to allow for more domestic players to be developed from an earlier age in the hope of nurturing more homegrown talent. It forms part of the League's Elite Player Performance Plan. The Premier League clubs can have a maximum of 17 non-"homegrown" players in each club squad, and the squad size is a maximum of 25. This means that in a full squad of 25 players, there must be at least eight homegrown players.[1][2] Greg Dyke, the former chairman of the Football Association (FA), wanted to implement much stronger regulation of foreign players. His intention is to help England to win the 2022 World Cup in Qatar, as he stated in an op-ed piece.[3]
- Homegrown players in a top-flight 25-man squad be increased from eight to 12[1] two of whom must be brought up in the team's youth system
- Tightening the definition of what it is to be a homegrown player as a consequence fewer foreign-born players would qualify
Ben Thatcher springs to mind. Is / was apparently a quitet and very kind guy of the pitch but an absolute disgusting piece of shite on it.
Maybe I was watching different games but both of them were working hard. I remember one instance where Malacia left a ball where he was offside and Rashford sprinted as hard as he could to keep it in play. It's that mentality and aggression that will land United 10 extra points this season.
I think our English contingent in general is shit. A lot of English players in general have inflated contracts which they didn't have to work half as hard for, compared to their superior foreign counterparts.
I'm not sure about their attitudes- though I've always had my doubts about Shaw and Rashford sometimes looks like someone who just doesn't enjoy football anymore- but it's nice there are no guaranteed starters anymore under EtH, regardless of nationality.
Or even our first title winning teams in donkeys, was a core of English in, Pally, Bruce, Parker, Sharpe, Robson, that thing that played for the dippers.
ps: @Classical Mechanic nothing to do with his race in case you get the wrong idea, he went to the dippers and lest we forget, his vile over the top celebrations when he scored against us in 99 with 3 games too go.
Less English players the better. We haven’t had a good technical English player since Scholes. They’ve all been plodders
By that basis you can apply that to all of the players at the club judging from last season.