Another asset to Cisse is his marketability, people(like us) want to watch these players. Anyway I'm sure the suits can see the potential$$$.
Further to his marketability, what I mean is United are better set to recoup on any 'investment' in Cisse, than our less developed competitors, who are still at the stage of building stadiums.
I highly doubt Johnsen ran the equivalent of a 4.31 40 yard dash. Randy Moss runs a 4.26 or so and you're going to tell me that Moss is only a step or two quicker than Johnsen.
I doubt that there are any footballers who can break a 4.35/40.
Who is the fastest soccer player?
I think too much emphasize is put on pace these days. A 'fast' footballer does not have to be particularly quick, as long as they can run with the ball. Not sure I'm making any sense. 
For instance, Giggsy is not actually that fast, but with the ball he's lightning quick compaired to other players.
For instance, Giggsy is not actually that fast, but with the ball he's lightning quick compaired to other players.Originally posted by Gazza:
<strong>I think too much emphasize is put on pace these days. A 'fast' footballer does not have to be particularly quick, as long as they can run with the ball. Not sure I'm making any sense.
I agree with the point about pace-with-ball as more important that raw pace - but I strongly disagree that the importance of pace is overrated! On the contrary, it becomes more and more important IMO.
Originally posted by Wibble:
<strong>18 million is <a href="http://football.guardian.co.uk/rumourmill/index/0,1451,717398,00.html" target="_blank">reportedly</a> what it will take. Probably worth a punt IMO. Do Liverpool have that sort of dosh to spend?</strong><hr></blockquote>
In a word, yes.
I honestly think that the Cisse issue can only end in (1) Cisse becoming an LFC player after the WC or (2) Cisse becoming an LFC player next year. Houllier has spent too much time on this deal to blow it now. My guess is that he has already signed for them.
Looks like you could be right J... Liverpool have just announced they will NOT be signing Anelka and they wouldn't do that without letting the ink dry on another deal....
Probably Kanoute.
Originally posted by R A Softlad:
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In a word, yes.
Won't matter. Cissé generates far too much hype to go on the cheap - which, surely, is what £18m would be: he's younger than RVN and he's got a clean 'injury sheet'.
Bidding starts at £20m, probably more. I doubt that Poo can match Auxerre's valuation.
If United want to be a serious contender in the "world's biggest club" competition - WITHOUT getting silly Real Madrid-style - this is an opportunity that can't be missed. He's precisely what we need...
Originally posted by Used to be Jip Jaap:
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I accept that there is an element of risk when you buy a player before he has proven himself in a big league or competition but I think United can afford to run this risk.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Only problem being that the risk for us grows exponentially with transfer fee. Beckham (and his role in the team) could adapt at his own pace going on or off in his first days as he cost nothing. Ole to this day is paying the price of having been cheap.
If we pay 20m for this guy we'd better be sure he will do well because we won't see OGS for the whole year as SAF will insist on having Cisse. Bit like the whole Veron story. If there is one flaw in SAF that has to be it.
Originally posted by antohan:
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Only problem being that the risk for us grows exponentially with transfer fee. Beckham (and his role in the team) could adapt at his own pace going on or off in his first days as he cost nothing. Ole to this day is paying the price of having been cheap.
If we pay 20m for this guy we'd better be sure he will do well because we won't see OGS for the whole year as SAF will insist on having Cisse. Bit like the whole Veron story. If there is one flaw in SAF that has to be it.
I could see OGS, RVN and Cissé being used in an about equal number of games over the season - and Forlan in quite a few games against weaker sides (if he starts scoring goals!).
To some extent, I think that it's a myth that OGS has been on the bench over the years because of his price tag. I think he raised his game just a tad last season which has proved to be enough to make him a regular first teamer - and I can see no reason why he shouldn't keep that status if Cissé arrived. United play enough games to make all of those three feel that they are regulars...
IF we have OGS, RVN, Cisse & Forlan that will be an excellent combination ... but IMO Cisse deal is far off ... no no not likely ...
Have mentioned here - Aghogawa instead for 8mil !! ... that's a better gamble ...
Have mentioned here - Aghogawa instead for 8mil !! ... that's a better gamble ...
If Agahowa is available for less than £10 m we are stupid if we dont move for him. As far as I can tell we have no fast forward lined up, Cisse is a no-go, Ronaldo is just a bunch of agents trying to get a new deal and Kanoute or Anelka? Forget it.
Agahowa is the only guy who is there for the taking.
He could be our Owen/Henry.
Agahowa is the only guy who is there for the taking.
He could be our Owen/Henry.
exactly ... that's my sentiment currently !! ... we need a guy like him to break defenders now ... he will give us that bit of "unpredictable" attacking options which opponent's defenders find hard to work against ...
Get him I say !!
Get him I say !!
It's hard to say really. He is still young, younger than Forlan. I think he would do as good as Anelka has done at Liverpool if not better in his first season with limited appearances etc.
Some football pundits say he will be better than Cisse and that he is going to be the best striker in the world. They rate him as the number one prospect.
It may take him awhile to settle, but I have no doubt he could settle in and score more than Forlan has. He plays a different style meaning those wam-bam shots from Forlan may instead be well placed finishes.
I'm afraid that Ferge has already chosen his fast forward and that is Forlan. He should use him properly and push him forward not keep pulling him back. Decide if he is resuming his winger career or his striking career.
If we dont get a new player, I now think Forlan can do it if Fergie pushes him up onto the defenders shoulders. He has enough pace and explosion to do ok in the box. Need to get him IN the box to score, not outside it to set up RVN.
Some football pundits say he will be better than Cisse and that he is going to be the best striker in the world. They rate him as the number one prospect.
It may take him awhile to settle, but I have no doubt he could settle in and score more than Forlan has. He plays a different style meaning those wam-bam shots from Forlan may instead be well placed finishes.
I'm afraid that Ferge has already chosen his fast forward and that is Forlan. He should use him properly and push him forward not keep pulling him back. Decide if he is resuming his winger career or his striking career.
If we dont get a new player, I now think Forlan can do it if Fergie pushes him up onto the defenders shoulders. He has enough pace and explosion to do ok in the box. Need to get him IN the box to score, not outside it to set up RVN.
personaly I think Forlan don't have that "cutting edge" to be a ghost in the opponent penalty box ... He's probably ... mmm . how should I put it .. a bit "too nice" !! He won't bull-doze into the area and stick his foot out to poke in unpredictable goals ... his physical probably play a part in this ... he's fast but not very "atheletic" ...
Coley has that in him ... that's why you see him popping up here and there scoring odd goals .. .I thnk for the last 2 season or so when we draw 1-1 with Arsenal, Coley is ALWAYS the one ( not talking abt the 6-1 roasting at OT ) .. .
Of course I understand it takes time to adapt to the team before one can do this task ... When Coley first join us he wasn't anything like what I have praised him for ... He probably took >2 seasons before started to make a huge impresssion ... In Forlan I don have a good feel on how long he might need to take ... But in Agohowa I have a good feel - somehow he give me that feeling of a "cheetah" ... fierce and poarching !! ...
And by the way, we have to realise that we can't possibly having 4 top-class strikers in our rank ... None of them will be happy then sitting on the bench when they like to play instead ... IMO it should be 3+1+1 ... ie. 3 matured strikers, 1 promising, up&coming + one youngster waiting in the wing for any urgent coverage ... For me it's (RVN & Ole & ?? ) + Forlan + Davies now ... The ?? will be our new No.9 !! <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" />
Coley has that in him ... that's why you see him popping up here and there scoring odd goals .. .I thnk for the last 2 season or so when we draw 1-1 with Arsenal, Coley is ALWAYS the one ( not talking abt the 6-1 roasting at OT ) .. .
Of course I understand it takes time to adapt to the team before one can do this task ... When Coley first join us he wasn't anything like what I have praised him for ... He probably took >2 seasons before started to make a huge impresssion ... In Forlan I don have a good feel on how long he might need to take ... But in Agohowa I have a good feel - somehow he give me that feeling of a "cheetah" ... fierce and poarching !! ...
And by the way, we have to realise that we can't possibly having 4 top-class strikers in our rank ... None of them will be happy then sitting on the bench when they like to play instead ... IMO it should be 3+1+1 ... ie. 3 matured strikers, 1 promising, up&coming + one youngster waiting in the wing for any urgent coverage ... For me it's (RVN & Ole & ?? ) + Forlan + Davies now ... The ?? will be our new No.9 !! <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" />
Unless the PLC lose the plot I can't see us having the dosh to buy a 20 million plus stiker this summer. Cisse is a possibility for next summer if he stay put and a deal hasn't already been done.
Yorke out and Di Cannio in is all the tinkering up front I think we should do this summer.
The defense is where the problem is.
Yorke out and Di Cannio in is all the tinkering up front I think we should do this summer.
The defense is where the problem is.
the only place people talk about cisse is on redcafe. he ain't coming to OT. mainly because he's not good enough, and is way overrated. some people have compared him with henry. he's not half the player henry is.
btw, roberto carlos claims to run the 100m in 10.3 seconds.
btw, roberto carlos claims to run the 100m in 10.3 seconds.
Originally posted by Floyd:
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Id fortyseven's math is correct, Lasse Olsen of Stromsgodset in Norway runs 40yards in 4.2422856.......
Don's shoot the messenger......</strong><hr></blockquote>
Surely he's the fastest person in Norway. Is he an Olmpyian then ?
Raoul
Will you cry if we sign Cisse?
Will you cry if we sign Cisse?
Originally posted by Davo:
<strong>Raoul
Will you cry if we sign Cisse?
No. I will stop promclaiming what a good player he is though..
Originally posted by Raoul:
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No. I will stop promclaiming what a good player he is though..
Do you reckon we will get him?