The Cissé Issue...

[Used to be Jip Jaap]

One thing...

IF the Poo sign Cissé I have a very, very uncomfortable feeling that we might live to regret it - badly! It would be a direct indication of a 'changing of the guards'... Poo buying wisely to improve something that's already solid. Us desperately trying to fix problems that perhaps haven't even been clearly identified...

It may be true that he's completely determined to stay at Auxerre but it is more likely that he too has his price - and that price is only likely to go in one direction in the future... UP!

To me he seems ideal: fast as a bullet (something we lack), skilful, exciting and physically robust. An improved Michael Owen. If we 'only' get Thuram and Cissé I'd be happy as a kite.

And before I get mobbed by the combined forces of the Ole Gunnar Appreciation Society (TM) I'd like to point out that we've only got two proven strikers as things stand.

Plz Alex!!

PS: And plz, no more talk about Di Canio! Do you honestly see that old geezer (talented though he is) as the key to a CL trophy? I thought not... Maybe four years ago - but NOT now.

 

[reddermo]

Dont worry one swallow doesn't make a summer, or one donkey doesnt make a derby.

Relax. Longballpool are 12 years and counting.

 

[kemo]

Rivaldo is twice the player he is. And so will Frlan if he had to learn his trade from RIVA!

 

[Amir]

Originally posted by kemo:
<strong>Rivaldo is twice the player he is. And so will Frlan if he had to learn his trade from RIVA!</strong><hr></blockquote>

Rivaldo is also not so far from being twice his age. Do not touch the Brazilian!

 

[ShAoLiN_ChRoNiC]

Unfortunately it seems certain that he is headed to the poo. Houllier wants him bad, probably bad enough to spend £20m or more on him right now. If Auxerre dont sell now despite Houlliers constant hounding, its almost certain that Gerrard will stamp out a deal that bags Cisse a move to Anfield after the coming season. Whether this Summer or next, it looks like Houllier will not take no for an answer. And we all know that Cisse prefers a move to Anfield, it all looks pretty much a done deal. We dont even get mentioned in reports about him anymore.

Being a Liverpool fan, it must be reassuring that your manager is working so hard trying to land you the best prospect in the world and whats more the prospect is keen to join you.

Forlan is no Cisse. Cisse is incredible and would feast on our service.

I hope to God that they dont get him cos I want this guy in a Man Utd shirt badly.

 

[Amir]

Originally posted by ShAoLiN_ChRoNiC:
<strong>If Auxerre dont sell now despite Houlliers constant hounding, its almost certain that Gerrard will stamp out a deal that bags Cisse a move to Anfield after the coming season. </strong><hr></blockquote>

Not likely. Cisse's price could shoot up with a good performance in the Champions League. Auxerre won't hurry up to settle a future transfer for him, why should they?

 

[paulb]

I'm beginning to become disconcerted with this Cisse situation. I hope Liverpool can hammer out a deal soon because there is no doubt he is going to be a star of the future.
The report below, if true, sounds promising.

Now Houllier targets early deal for £14m Auxerre star
By Alan Nixon and Colin Wood

Liverpool are trying to bring forward the signing of France's Djibril Cisse and clinch a £14million deal before the World Cup.
Gerard Houllier's pursuit of a new striker took another twist yesterday when it was revealed he has held fresh talks with Auxerre about Cisse, who has forced his way into Roger Lemerre's national squad at the expense of Liverpool's Nicolas Anelka.

Auxerre had previously agreed in principle to sell their 20-year-old striker next summer but are prepared to bring the deal forward after discussions with Houllier.

The French club are concerned that Liverpool will sign Anelka - still on loan from Paris St Germain - or West Ham's Freddie Kanoute and then cool their interest in Cisse.

Houllier's transfer games are perplexing both Anelka and Kanoute, who have been left in limbo by the prolonged transfer saga.

Anelka and his advisers are growing frustrated by the delay over completing his £12m move from Paris St Ger-main, with the former Arsenal striker's offer to halve his £60,000-a-week wage demands falling on deaf ears.

Manchester City are waiting in the wings but Anelka is still clinging to the increasingly slender hope that Liverpool will give him a positive answer by the weekend.

Kanoute also had to perform a U-turn of his own yesterday as it became apparent that Houllier's 'contact' with him was via his agent, Pape Diouf.

He is now distancing himself from the move, while West Ham are unimpressed by talk of a meeting and have asked Liverpool for an explanation.

Liverpool, meanwhile, confirmed they have sealed a £3.7m deal for Lille midfielder Bruno Cheyrou and will now set their sights on teaming him up with Black-burn's Damien Duff.

 

[Used to be Jip Jaap]

Originally posted by paulb:
<strong>I'm beginning to become disconcerted with this Cisse situation. I hope Liverpool can hammer out a deal soon because there is no doubt he is going to be a star of the future.
The report below, if true, sounds promising.

Now Houllier targets early deal for £14m Auxerre star
By Alan Nixon and Colin Wood

Liverpool are trying to bring forward the signing of France's Djibril Cisse and clinch a £14million deal before the World Cup.
Gerard Houllier's pursuit of a new striker took another twist yesterday when it was revealed he has held fresh talks with Auxerre about Cisse, who has forced his way into Roger Lemerre's national squad at the expense of Liverpool's Nicolas Anelka.

Auxerre had previously agreed in principle to sell their 20-year-old striker next summer but are prepared to bring the deal forward after discussions with Houllier.

The French club are concerned that Liverpool will sign Anelka - still on loan from Paris St Germain - or West Ham's Freddie Kanoute and then cool their interest in Cisse.

Houllier's transfer games are perplexing both Anelka and Kanoute, who have been left in limbo by the prolonged transfer saga.

Anelka and his advisers are growing frustrated by the delay over completing his £12m move from Paris St Ger-main, with the former Arsenal striker's offer to halve his £60,000-a-week wage demands falling on deaf ears.

Manchester City are waiting in the wings but Anelka is still clinging to the increasingly slender hope that Liverpool will give him a positive answer by the weekend.

Kanoute also had to perform a U-turn of his own yesterday as it became apparent that Houllier's 'contact' with him was via his agent, Pape Diouf.

He is now distancing himself from the move, while West Ham are unimpressed by talk of a meeting and have asked Liverpool for an explanation.

Liverpool, meanwhile, confirmed they have sealed a £3.7m deal for Lille midfielder Bruno Cheyrou and will now set their sights on teaming him up with Black-burn's Damien Duff.</strong><hr></blockquote>

You won't get him for anything like £14m... He's comparable to RVN when United bought him and he was a bargain at £19m. I don't think Roux is in the mood for handing out presents!

 

[kemo]

Those who think Forlan is no Cisse you are right. It's like comparing Becks with Figo. They are two totally different players. Like comparing Rivaldo and Zidane. Their styles are different. But let Forlan start scoring. Then you will see Europe tremble.........

 

[Daninho]

I would still rather Cisse!

 

[Used to be Jip Jaap]

Originally posted by kemo:
<strong>Those who think Forlan is no Cisse you are right. It's like comparing Becks with Figo. They are two totally different players. Like comparing Rivaldo and Zidane. Their styles are different. But let Forlan start scoring. Then you will see Europe tremble......... </strong><hr></blockquote>

Ok, let's give Guy Roux a call and propose a straight swap: Forlan for Cissé!

I think Roux would want ten Forlans for one Cissé.

 

[mu77]

they'd be crazy to sell him this yr as they prepare to go into cl. plus if they wait and he bangs in a couple in early matchs the price goes up and up. best hope any side has for cisse and mexes is to have them exit cl early.

 

[swano]

Originally posted by Used to be Jip Jaap:
<strong>

Ok, let's give Guy Roux a call and propose a straight swap: Forlan for Cissé!

I think Roux would want ten Forlans for one Cissé.</strong><hr></blockquote>
and a few quid on top of that!

 

[michael owen's mum]

Originally posted by Used to be Jip Jaap:
<strong>

You won't get him for anything like £14m... He's comparable to RVN when United bought him and he was a bargain at £19m. I don't think Roux is in the mood for handing out presents! </strong><hr></blockquote>


we'll get him for £16M-£17M, maximum. auxerre are a cash-strapped club, they're in the champions league alright, but for who knows how long? the french transfer record stands at £14M for trézéguet and nonda, so the cisse fee won't exceed that by too much - and houllier wants him badly.

i think it'll be announced before the world cup begins, personally. . .

 

[Wibble]

18 million is <a href="http://football.guardian.co.uk/rumourmill/index/0,1451,717398,00.html" target="_blank">reportedly</a> what it will take. Probably worth a punt IMO. Do Liverpool have that sort of dosh to spend?

 

[Used to be Jip Jaap]

Originally posted by michael owen's mum:
<strong>


we'll get him for £16M-£17M, maximum. auxerre are a cash-strapped club, they're in the champions league alright, but for who knows how long? the french transfer record stands at £14M for trézéguet and nonda, so the cisse fee won't exceed that by too much - and houllier wants him badly.

i think it'll be announced before the world cup begins, personally. . .</strong><hr></blockquote>

As if the standing French league transfer record will mean shit!? "Cash-strapped"?, my ass! No matter how cash-strapped you may be, it would be stupid not to try and get the market value for a player like Cissé. Again, you won't get him for that kind of money.

 

[ShAoLiN_ChRoNiC]

We got Ruud for £19m so you dont really know do you?

I was guessing it would be £20+m myself, but you never know. I dont really care how much money it is, whats important is who gets the guy. Whether Pool pay £50m or £15 they still got themselves a great player.

 

[Raoul]

I don't think Cisse is going to Liverpool, despite what Houllier wants. His valuation will likely rocket into the 25m range after the world cup and Auxerre's impeding Champions League exposure next year. That said, I don't think we'll sign him either. Best bet is that he ends up in Italy or with Barca or Real.

 

[Raoul]

Originally posted by michael owen's mum:
<strong>


we'll get him for £16M-£17M, maximum. auxerre are a cash-strapped club, they're in the champions league alright, but for who knows how long? the french transfer record stands at £14M for trézéguet and nonda, so the cisse fee won't exceed that by too much - and houllier wants him badly.

i think it'll be announced before the world cup begins, personally. . .</strong><hr></blockquote>


Why would they sell him to you for 16-17 mil if they're cash strapped and could get more from an Italian club or Real Madrid etc.

 

[Richter]

Originally posted by Raoul:
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Why would they sell him to you for 16-17 mil if they're cash strapped and could get more from an Italian club or Real Madrid etc.</strong><hr></blockquote>

<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />

 

[Used to be Jip Jaap]

Originally posted by Raoul:
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Why would they sell him to you for 16-17 mil if they're cash strapped and could get more from an Italian club or Real Madrid etc.</strong><hr></blockquote>


<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />

In fact, I think MOM should be banned from this forum for saying something that stupid!

 

[Used to be Jip Jaap]

Originally posted by Raoul:
<strong>I don't think Cisse is going to Liverpool, despite what Houllier wants. His valuation will likely rocket into the 25m range after the world cup and Auxerre's impeding Champions League exposure next year. That said, I don't think we'll sign him either. Best bet is that he ends up in Italy or with Barca or Real.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I may agree with your first point - but there would be risks involved for Auxerre: he might get seriously injured in the world cup. I'm sure he has a price tag already now - expensive of course, but still a little bit below what it would be if he continues his development and shines in next year's CL.

Why do you think Italy is a better bet than United? He's said that he'd fancy the PL. I agree that he'd most likely prefer Real M over United but provided that United match the terms offered by other clubs I can't see why we shouldn't have a fair chance.

IF the board has real ambitions...

 

[Raoul]

Originally posted by Used to be Jip Jaap:
<strong>

I may agree with your first point - but there would be risks involved for Auxerre: he might get seriously injured in the world cup. I'm sure he has a price tag already now - expensive of course, but still a little bit below what it would be if he continues his development and shines in next year's CL.

Why do you think Italy is a better bet than United? He's said that he'd fancy the PL. I agree that he'd most likely prefer Real M over United but provided that United match the terms offered by other clubs I can't see why we shouldn't have a fair chance.

IF the board has real ambitions...</strong><hr></blockquote>


1. Because he's said to be staying at Auxerre for another year in order to mature more and play in the CL next year.

2. Because buying an expensive striker is not on our list of priorities this year. AC Milan, Real Madrid, Barcelona etc could easily snap him up for more money than is being offered in the Premiership.

 

[Penny]

If longballpool get him then they be able to play their long ball game even better then ... having another speed demon in front ...

The only thing then we could match is to find another one ... and I tell you - there is ONE and he's equally young and avail - Nigerian Aghohawa !! He gonna shine in the WC next month ... he's a REAL speed demon and marvellously tricky fellow ... He run 100meter in 10.3 seconds and I tell you - that's a SPRINTER's speed gosh !!

So so young at 20 still and he won't cost a bomb like Cisse ( $ probably not really a issue as far as I can see Cisse's case now ... ) .. His club is slapping a 11mil price tag on him and I personally think that's quite ok ... And he could do something Cisse probably don do - .... his summersault will make LuaLua pale in color !! ... Time for us to get the season "summersaulted" back to the right track !! <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" /> <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" /> <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" />

 

[Raoul]

These 100m times are greatly inflated imo. There are only about 10-15 people in the world who can run a sub 10.3 100m.

 

[Floyd]

Originally posted by Raoul:
<strong>These 100m times are greatly inflated imo. There are only about 10-15 people in the world who can run a sub 10.3 100m.</strong><hr></blockquote>

People or footballers?

No way there are only 10-15 PEOPLE in the world that can run 100m in 10.3.

That being said, I doubt there are many footballers who can run that fast.....

 

[Raoul]

Originally posted by Floyd:
<strong>

People or footballers?

No way there are only 10-15 PEOPLE in the world that can run 100m in 10.3.

That being said, I doubt there are many footballers who can run that fast.....</strong><hr></blockquote>

I'm talking about human beings, not footballers. Check the Sydney 2000 100m times and you'll see that 10.3 was rarely cracked in the qualifying stages. It wasn't until the finals when most of the sprinters broke 10.3 .

I don't doubt that Cisse can run the 100 in 11 seconds, but 10.3 is BS imo.

 

[Floyd]

Originally posted by Raoul:
<strong>

I don't doubt that Cisse can run the 100 in 11 seconds, but 10.3 is BS imo.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Have I read somewhere that Giggs has run 100m in 10.7? And Robert Jarni 100m in 10.6 wearing football-boots? If that's the case, and from what I've seen of Cisse, although not that much, I definetely believe he's up there with them, if not better.

 

[Raoul]

There's no way in hell that Giggs can run the 100 in better than 11.5 . Somones inflating the numbers, or else completely making them up.

 

[Floyd]

Originally posted by Raoul:
<strong>There's no way in hell that Giggs can run the 100 in better than 11.5 . Somones inflating the numbers, or else completely making them up.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I don't know, maybe I've been dreaming (and drooling)....

Have you heard for a fact a very impressive 100m time for a footballer?

 

[Gabe]

Originally posted by Floyd:
<strong>

Have I read somewhere that Giggs has run 100m in 10.7? And Robert Jarni 100m in 10.6 wearing football-boots?
</strong><hr></blockquote>

Was that downhill?

 

[Raoul]

Originally posted by Floyd:
<strong>

I don't know, maybe I've been dreaming (and drooling)....

Have you heard for a fact a very impressive 100m time for a footballer?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Its not really important since footballers never run 100m at a time. They should be judged by their 40yard burst times as is done in US football.

 

[Raoul]

Originally posted by Gabe:
<strong>

Was that downhill?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Jarni's was downhill, wind aided, and in the himalayas.

 

[Gabe]

But seriously, Cisse has great pace combined with physique, not the donkey type physique but the agile type.
BTW did anyone see his last goal of the season, recieved the ball out wide on the right, controls it, and you think from that position a cross is obvious, he unleshes an unstoppable shot, the keeper was rooted to the spot- he has a fierce shot and scores from allover.

 

[Raoul]

Cisse is well better than Henry was 4 years ago. He's got pace, great agility, excellent eye for goal etc. There's no doubt that he'll be a world class striker for the next 7-8 years.

 

[Floyd]

Originally posted by Raoul:
<strong>

Its not really important since footballers never run 100m at a time. They should be judged by their 40yard burst times as is done in US football.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yep, I agree.

Sidenote: Ronny Johnsen runs 40m in 4.72.
Is that good?

 

[Floyd]

Originally posted by Gabe:
<strong>BTW did anyone see his last goal of the season, recieved the ball out wide on the right, controls it, and you think from that position a cross is obvious, he unleshes an unstoppable shot, the keeper was rooted to the spot- he has a fierce shot and scores from allover.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yeah, I did see that. Feckin class was it. Buy him.

 

[Raoul]

Originally posted by Floyd:
<strong>

Yep, I agree.

Sidenote: Ronny Johnsen runs 40m in 4.74.
Is that good?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Not bad, but not very good either. 40m is slightly more than 40yards so lets cut that to about 4.65 which is decent.

The average US Football Wide reciever or defensive back runs around a 4.4 or so. The fastest 40 time I've ever heard of is about 4.18 this past year.

 

[Floyd]

Originally posted by Floyd:
<strong>

Yep, I agree.

Sidenote: Ronny Johnsen runs 40m in 4.72.
Is that good?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Did some research:

The fastest player in Norway, a winger, runs 40m in 4.64, so I reckon 4.72 is very good indeed for a defender.

 

[Floyd]

Originally posted by Raoul:
<strong>

Not bad, but not very good either. 40m is slightly more than 40yards so lets cut that to about 4.65 which is decent.

</strong><hr></blockquote>

How much in yards is 40 meter? Isn't 4.65 not giving Ronny the credit he maybe deserves? Did you do the math? I know I can't be arsed to.... Couldn't probably do it anyway.... <img src="graemlins/nervous.gif" border="0" alt="[Nervous]" />