cheers marching
You're calling for him to be sacked yet don't know what his job is...
If its to prevent hooliganism then he may be useful in providing info re methods etc. He may be doing a good job, Cardiff haven't had a game as big as Leeds for a while so if its going to go tits up then its likely to be at that match.
If he's a simple minder then he's doing his job my following Sam around.
You're convinced his football related crimes should end his connection with the club, but unsure re the judged more serious natures of crimes such as Dunk and Cantona.
As said at the start this is nothing more than a tabloid witchunt and its pathetic that you're so incensed by it.
If his past had come out following the Bristol match etc then you wouldn't have raised an eyebrow. But no, its after your match and you're determined to provide the definite answer to something you know little about.
If its to prevent hooliganism then he may be useful in providing info re methods etc. He may be doing a good job, Cardiff haven't had a game as big as Leeds for a while so if its going to go tits up then its likely to be at that match.
If he's a simple minder then he's doing his job my following Sam around.
You're convinced his football related crimes should end his connection with the club, but unsure re the judged more serious natures of crimes such as Dunk and Cantona.
As said at the start this is nothing more than a tabloid witchunt and its pathetic that you're so incensed by it.
If his past had come out following the Bristol match etc then you wouldn't have raised an eyebrow. But no, its after your match and you're determined to provide the definite answer to something you know little about.
posted by Davo
You're calling for him to be sacked yet don't know what his job is...
If its to prevent hooliganism then he may be useful in providing info re methods etc. He may be doing a good job, Cardiff haven't had a game as big as Leeds for a while so if its going to go tits up then its likely to be at that match.
If he's a simple minder then he's doing his job my following Sam around.
You're convinced his football related crimes should end his connection with the club, but unsure re the judged more serious natures of crimes such as Dunk and Cantona.
As said at the start this is nothing more than a tabloid witchunt and its pathetic that you're so incensed by it.
If his past had come out following the Bristol match etc then you wouldn't have raised an eyebrow. But no, its after your match and you're determined to provide the definite answer to something you know little about.
Bollocks the fact that CCFC and you DAFTO see no link between a club tarnished by trouble and the employment of a convicted Football hooligan,makes you all the same,your blind ranting is both misplaced and annoying...the fact that Leeds played CCFC is irrelevent.
Ill tell you what I know,I love football and despise Hooliganism,until the authorities act to stamp out this vermin from the game,the stench will never be far away.
You're calling for him to be sacked yet don't know what his job is...
If its to prevent hooliganism then he may be useful in providing info re methods etc. He may be doing a good job, Cardiff haven't had a game as big as Leeds for a while so if its going to go tits up then its likely to be at that match.
If he's a simple minder then he's doing his job my following Sam around.
You're convinced his football related crimes should end his connection with the club, but unsure re the judged more serious natures of crimes such as Dunk and Cantona.
As said at the start this is nothing more than a tabloid witchunt and its pathetic that you're so incensed by it.
If his past had come out following the Bristol match etc then you wouldn't have raised an eyebrow. But no, its after your match and you're determined to provide the definite answer to something you know little about.
Bollocks the fact that CCFC and you DAFTO see no link between a club tarnished by trouble and the employment of a convicted Football hooligan,makes you all the same,your blind ranting is both misplaced and annoying...the fact that Leeds played CCFC is irrelevent.
Ill tell you what I know,I love football and despise Hooliganism,until the authorities act to stamp out this vermin from the game,the stench will never be far away.
posted by Dafto
And hit the quotation marks to quote, even I've worked that out
And hit the quotation marks to quote, even I've worked that out
Dafto: I bow to your clerically superior skills,My PA likes to do my typing I probably have less practise than you..
And hit the quotation marks to quote, even I've worked that out
And hit the quotation marks to quote, even I've worked that out
Dafto: I bow to your clerically superior skills,My PA likes to do my typing I probably have less practise than you..
"""""""""""""""oops sorry 
You're calling for him to be sacked yet don't know what his job is...
Wrong yet again Davo...he worked for Unisec Security Services and reached the dizzy heights of company secretary. He was incharge of security at CCFC and was responsible for Hammam on his walkabouts.
If its to prevent hooliganism then he may be useful in providing info re methods etc. He may be doing a good job, Cardiff haven't had a game as big as Leeds for a while so if its going to go tits up then its likely to be at that match.
He did not seem able to prevent the trouble at the Bristol match either...wonder if preventing trouble was his strong point
If he's a simple minder then he's doing his job my following Sam around.
You should really get your facts straight before you post...he was not just a minder
You're convinced his football related crimes should end his connection with the club, but unsure re the judged more serious natures of crimes such as Dunk and Cantona.
I fail to understand how an ACTIVE CONVICTED CATEGORY C HOOLIGAN ...that means the police consider him still to be involved in hooliganism....can be expected to be interested in stopping hooliganism...and by the evidence he isn't!
The players are a different matter and as I said a good case for sacking them is there for all to see
As said at the start this is nothing more than a tabloid witchunt and its pathetic that you're so incensed by it.
If his past had come out following the Bristol match etc then you wouldn't have raised an eyebrow. But no, its after your match and you're determined to provide the definite answer to something you know little about.[/QB]
For fecks sake Marchy can you try to stay with it?
You know his title. Do you know his responsibilites? To what part his role was in the prevention of hooliganism etc? Course not
You're guessing re his performance at his job, you don't know Cardiff's past do their could be an improvement. If in doubt just guess eh?
You don't know him. You don't know if he's changed his ways or what part he plays at the club. You just want him out cos he's linked to Cardiff who beat you and because there was crowd trouble that he played no part in.
Wrong yet again Davo...he worked for Unisec Security Services and reached the dizzy heights of company secretary. He was incharge of security at CCFC and was responsible for Hammam on his walkabouts.
If its to prevent hooliganism then he may be useful in providing info re methods etc. He may be doing a good job, Cardiff haven't had a game as big as Leeds for a while so if its going to go tits up then its likely to be at that match.
He did not seem able to prevent the trouble at the Bristol match either...wonder if preventing trouble was his strong point
If he's a simple minder then he's doing his job my following Sam around.
You should really get your facts straight before you post...he was not just a minder
You're convinced his football related crimes should end his connection with the club, but unsure re the judged more serious natures of crimes such as Dunk and Cantona.
I fail to understand how an ACTIVE CONVICTED CATEGORY C HOOLIGAN ...that means the police consider him still to be involved in hooliganism....can be expected to be interested in stopping hooliganism...and by the evidence he isn't!
The players are a different matter and as I said a good case for sacking them is there for all to see
As said at the start this is nothing more than a tabloid witchunt and its pathetic that you're so incensed by it.
If his past had come out following the Bristol match etc then you wouldn't have raised an eyebrow. But no, its after your match and you're determined to provide the definite answer to something you know little about.[/QB]
For fecks sake Marchy can you try to stay with it?
You know his title. Do you know his responsibilites? To what part his role was in the prevention of hooliganism etc? Course not
You're guessing re his performance at his job, you don't know Cardiff's past do their could be an improvement. If in doubt just guess eh?
You don't know him. You don't know if he's changed his ways or what part he plays at the club. You just want him out cos he's linked to Cardiff who beat you and because there was crowd trouble that he played no part in.
Originally posted by Davo:
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For fecks sake Marchy can you try to stay with it?
You know his title. Do you know his responsibilites? To what part his role was in the prevention of hooliganism etc? Course not
You're guessing re his performance at his job, you don't know Cardiff's past do their could be an improvement. If in doubt just guess eh?
You don't know him. You don't know if he's changed his ways or what part he plays at the club. You just want him out cos he's linked to Cardiff who beat you and because there was crowd trouble that he played no part in.</strong><hr></blockquote>
It's not me that's losing the plot here Davo....He is reponsible for the security team on duty at CCFC on match days, he also has some responsibility at away matches. Any fool would know that security teams at football matches are there to prevent trouble
Originally posted by marchingontogether:
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It's not me that's losing the plot here Davo....He is reponsible for the security team on duty at CCFC on match days, he also has some responsibility at away matches. Any fool would know that security teams at football matches are there to prevent trouble
Well you'd know more about his role than anyone else.....
No doubt you're an expert in the events that occured at the Bristol match...
It being another game you weren't at..
are all leeds fans such two-faced hypocrites?
let's see ... some thug turned bodyguard should be denied the chance to make a living because he was once fined 100 pounds and because the police say so
whereas an evil lying racist thug should be allowed to continue playing professional football because he's serving a sentence and because leeds fans say so
and another evil lying racist thug is - despite his previous conviction for attacking asians - is squeaky clean because he somehow fluked a incomprehensible jury verdict and because leeds fans say so
how can you possible argue that sam hammann's private thug should be barred from working in previously low profile job for a lower division club when you think it's perfectly acceptable for woodgate and bowyer to play professional football at the highest level and receive the acclaim of tens of thousands of fans?
and don't even try to tell me the difference is that the lout from cardiff was a football hooligan. that doesn't even begin to hint at justifying your ridiculous partisan bigotry
let's see ... some thug turned bodyguard should be denied the chance to make a living because he was once fined 100 pounds and because the police say so
whereas an evil lying racist thug should be allowed to continue playing professional football because he's serving a sentence and because leeds fans say so
and another evil lying racist thug is - despite his previous conviction for attacking asians - is squeaky clean because he somehow fluked a incomprehensible jury verdict and because leeds fans say so
how can you possible argue that sam hammann's private thug should be barred from working in previously low profile job for a lower division club when you think it's perfectly acceptable for woodgate and bowyer to play professional football at the highest level and receive the acclaim of tens of thousands of fans?
and don't even try to tell me the difference is that the lout from cardiff was a football hooligan. that doesn't even begin to hint at justifying your ridiculous partisan bigotry
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Wankers the lot of you...
I'll fight all four of you.
One hand behind me back.
Wankers the lot of you...
I'll fight all four of you.
One hand behind me back.
Originally posted by elljay:
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i have to warn you that i'm a girl, i wear glasses and i'm a brown belt at origami</strong><hr></blockquote>
and a twat
Originally posted by Davo:
Well you'd know more about his role than anyone else.....
I can read internet news sites
No doubt you're an expert in the events that occured at the Bristol match...
No, but I know someone that was there...
Bristol City chief executive Colin Sexstone said his team's fans were subjected to a horrific ordeal at Ninian Park after a 3-1 win on Dec. 29.
"The FA has to take strong action or somebody will be seriously injured very soon - or even killed," he said. "It's only by chance that it hasn't happened so far. To some, that might seem an over-the-top thing to say - but it isn't."
Sexstone said that Cardiff fans hurled bricks, coins and even bottles of urine at Bristol City supporters and also at the buses taking them home.
"What happened against Leeds was very similar to our game there - the only difference was that ours wasn't on television, so only affected the people who were there," Sexstone said.
"We were in the boardroom and could only watch the frightening sight of them getting on the coaches with 3,000 to 4,000 Cardiff fans baying and them and only held back by police dogs," Sextone said.
"There were times when it looked as if that line wouldn't hold. Our fans - women and kids as well as men - were terrified. The coaches were wrecked by the things thrown. The back windows were smashed on many of them, showering our fans with glass.
"There were big bricks being hurled and the kids who were there were terrified as the coach windows were being put through. People were genuinely running for their lives to get on the coaches in the first place."
It being another game you weren't at..
No need to be if you take the time to listen to others
No doubt you will say Sexstone doesn't know what he is on about either
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Originally posted by marchingontogether:
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and a twat
ah, the level of reasoned debate i've come to expect from leeds fans
no answer to my post so you resort to silly insults
lightweight
<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> nearly an hour and still no reasoned reply... <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
oh, i'm so sorry. i was off having a life
i've already made a perfectly sensible statement about your rank hypocrisy
the ball's in your court
lew-hoo-ser-her
i've already made a perfectly sensible statement about your rank hypocrisy
the ball's in your court
lew-hoo-ser-her
Originally posted by elljay:
are all leeds fans such two-faced hypocrites?
let's see ... some thug turned bodyguard should be denied the chance to make a living because he was once fined 100 pounds and because the police say so
He is a known category C convicted football hooligan who the police consider still active in orchestrating violence
whereas an evil lying racist thug should be allowed to continue playing professional football because he's serving a sentence and because leeds fans say so
No child, the jury said so
and another evil lying racist thug is - despite his previous conviction for attacking asians - is squeaky clean because he somehow fluked a incomprehensible jury verdict and because leeds fans say so
as above
how can you possible argue that sam hammann's private thug should be barred from working in previously low profile job for a lower division club when you think it's perfectly acceptable for woodgate and bowyer to play professional football at the highest level and receive the acclaim of tens of thousands of fans?
because Bow was found not guilty of anything and Woody got community service...we all know about Sams minders record
and don't even try to tell me the difference is that the lout from cardiff was a football hooligan. that doesn't even begin to hint at justifying your ridiculous partisan bigotry<hr></blockquote>
I am purely going on the facts...take the time to read them and then you will not look such a twat again
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Originally posted by elljay:
the cardiff thug was convicted of threatening and abusive behaviour and fined 100 pounds
and banned from every ground in the country and still cosidered to be an active violent hooligan
remind me again what bowyer and woodgate have been convicted of in their time
affray wasn't it?
and then remind why there is a difference between the police saying the idiot from cardiff is a still active hooligan and them saying that bowyer and woodgate were both guilty of a racist attack
It's the verdict that counts...that little thing decided by 12 people that heard all the facts
and then explain why one shouldn't be employed at at cardiff while the other two can play for leeds<hr></blockquote>
It does not look good if the person in charge of stopping football hooliganism is himself a convicted football hooligan. Bow was found not guilty of anything and Woody's offence has nothing to do with his job.
All clear now?
affray is a more serious offence than threatening and abusive behaviour
the cardiff thug has paid his fine and is not considered to be an "active violent hooligan" but an "organiser" by the same police who consider bowyer and woodgate committed a violent racist attack
you seem to think it's okay to condemn one man on the basis of an accusation by the police but disgusting to do the same when we're talking about leeds players. this is hypocrisy of the finest kind
you then claim that the difference is "It's the verdict that counts...that little thing decided by 12 people that heard all the facts"
which is equally hypocritical because
a) the jury were not allowed to consider all the facts
b) bowyer and woodgate had the best lawyers money could buy
c) it is blatantly obvious that the players and the club conspired to pervert the course of justice
d) the cardiff thug has not been convicted of being either an "active violent hooligan" or even an "organizer". he's simply been accused via a press release
you say that "It does not look good if the person in charge of stopping football hooliganism is himself a convicted football hooligan" which is arguably right depending on the circumstances, and i'm not arguing in favour of cardiff at all. but then neither does it look good when a football team with the reputation of leeds united, who claim to be "kicking racism out of football", provide a stage for the likes of bowyer and woodgate
you also say that "Bow was found not guilty of anything and Woody's offence has nothing to do with his job."
well, pardon me, but bowyer has been convicted previously - which puts him on exactly the same footing as the man from cardiff - and woodgate's offence has everything to do with his job. he's a public figure, playing in front of some of the worst supporters in the country, in an area with a high degree of racial tensions and the lesson his continued presence in the (ha!) lily white shirt of leeds sends out is that it's okay to beat the crap out of "pakis" because woody did and he got away with it and he's still playing professional football at the highest level in the country
you are either a hypocrite, or an idiot. or, quite possibly, both
the cardiff thug has paid his fine and is not considered to be an "active violent hooligan" but an "organiser" by the same police who consider bowyer and woodgate committed a violent racist attack
you seem to think it's okay to condemn one man on the basis of an accusation by the police but disgusting to do the same when we're talking about leeds players. this is hypocrisy of the finest kind
you then claim that the difference is "It's the verdict that counts...that little thing decided by 12 people that heard all the facts"
which is equally hypocritical because
a) the jury were not allowed to consider all the facts
b) bowyer and woodgate had the best lawyers money could buy
c) it is blatantly obvious that the players and the club conspired to pervert the course of justice
d) the cardiff thug has not been convicted of being either an "active violent hooligan" or even an "organizer". he's simply been accused via a press release
you say that "It does not look good if the person in charge of stopping football hooliganism is himself a convicted football hooligan" which is arguably right depending on the circumstances, and i'm not arguing in favour of cardiff at all. but then neither does it look good when a football team with the reputation of leeds united, who claim to be "kicking racism out of football", provide a stage for the likes of bowyer and woodgate
you also say that "Bow was found not guilty of anything and Woody's offence has nothing to do with his job."
well, pardon me, but bowyer has been convicted previously - which puts him on exactly the same footing as the man from cardiff - and woodgate's offence has everything to do with his job. he's a public figure, playing in front of some of the worst supporters in the country, in an area with a high degree of racial tensions and the lesson his continued presence in the (ha!) lily white shirt of leeds sends out is that it's okay to beat the crap out of "pakis" because woody did and he got away with it and he's still playing professional football at the highest level in the country
you are either a hypocrite, or an idiot. or, quite possibly, both
How old are you?.....we are having a bet here...older than 9 and I have lost a tenner!!!!
Some facts...
Mr MacNamara, 37, has recently completed a 12-month ban from every football ground in the UK.
The National Criminal Intelligence Service, based at Scotland Yard, lists him as a Category C hooligan, which is the highest rating possible.
The category defines Mr MacNamara as a hooligan who is prepared to "use violence or an organiser of violence."
In March 2000, Mr MacNamara was arrested at Cardiff City's away match in Blackpool.
He admitted a charge of threatening and abusive behaviour when he appeared before Blackpool magistrates.
He was fined £100, with £60 costs, and the court also placed the 12-month banning order on Mr MacNamara.
"Our records show that Neil MacNamara appeared here on that date," said a Blackpool Magistrates Court spokesman.
In September 1999, Mr MacNamara also appeared at Cardiff Crown Court charged with violent disorder following a match between Cardiff City and Millwall.
However, a senior South Wales Police source is also reported as saying: "In my view, Mr MacNamara should not be guarding Sam Hammam."
"A lot of the fans know Mr MacNamara is a convicted soccer yob - it will only encourage them to misbehave if they see him acting as Hammam's minder," added the source.
You have us all in stitches here <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> Thanx
Mr MacNamara, 37, has recently completed a 12-month ban from every football ground in the UK.
The National Criminal Intelligence Service, based at Scotland Yard, lists him as a Category C hooligan, which is the highest rating possible.
The category defines Mr MacNamara as a hooligan who is prepared to "use violence or an organiser of violence."
In March 2000, Mr MacNamara was arrested at Cardiff City's away match in Blackpool.
He admitted a charge of threatening and abusive behaviour when he appeared before Blackpool magistrates.
He was fined £100, with £60 costs, and the court also placed the 12-month banning order on Mr MacNamara.
"Our records show that Neil MacNamara appeared here on that date," said a Blackpool Magistrates Court spokesman.
In September 1999, Mr MacNamara also appeared at Cardiff Crown Court charged with violent disorder following a match between Cardiff City and Millwall.
However, a senior South Wales Police source is also reported as saying: "In my view, Mr MacNamara should not be guarding Sam Hammam."
"A lot of the fans know Mr MacNamara is a convicted soccer yob - it will only encourage them to misbehave if they see him acting as Hammam's minder," added the source.
You have us all in stitches here <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> Thanx
Originally posted by elljay:
<strong>you then claim that the difference is "It's the verdict that counts...that little thing decided by 12 people that heard all the facts"
which is equally hypocritical because
a) the jury were not allowed to consider all the facts
b) bowyer and woodgate had the best lawyers money could buy
c) it is blatantly obvious that the players and the club conspired to pervert the course of justice
d) the cardiff thug has not been convicted of being either an "active violent hooligan" or even an "organizer". he's simply been accused via a press release
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Classic!
i'm 23
and you're a sad pathetic little boy
and your persistent refusal to address your hypocrisy is no surprise considering the team you support
and you're a sad pathetic little boy
and your persistent refusal to address your hypocrisy is no surprise considering the team you support
Will somebody put an end to this...
It's not very lady like.
It's not very lady like.
1) The guy in question has done nothing wrong in this instance, merely a job Cardiff have paid him for.
2) Innocent until proven guilty and rehabilitated until proven otherwise is only fair except in exceptional circumstance e.g. kiddy fiddlers working with kids - an incurable disease IMO
3) Any club that employs someone with this guy's record must be <img src="graemlins/houllier.gif" border="0" alt="[Houllier]" />
4) The tabloids are getting exactly what they want as demonstrated by the arguments in here.
2) Innocent until proven guilty and rehabilitated until proven otherwise is only fair except in exceptional circumstance e.g. kiddy fiddlers working with kids - an incurable disease IMO
3) Any club that employs someone with this guy's record must be <img src="graemlins/houllier.gif" border="0" alt="[Houllier]" />
4) The tabloids are getting exactly what they want as demonstrated by the arguments in here.
Originally posted by 26 may 1999:
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Wankers the lot of you...
I'll fight all four of you.
One hand behind me back.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Thats fighting talk were I come from.
Luckily I'm thousands of miles from where I come from