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From the BBC


The chairman of Cardiff City Football Club has been plunged further into controversy as it is revealed his personal bodyguard is a convicted soccer hooligan.
During his infamous walk around the pitch in Cardiff's 2-1 victory over Leeds at the end of the third round tie on Sunday 6 January, owner Sam Hammam was accompanied by Neil MacNamara.

Hammam gestures to the crowd during a pitch walk

Mr MacNamara, 37, has recently completed a 12-month ban from every football ground in the UK.

The National Criminal Intelligence Service, based at Scotland Yard, lists him as a Category C hooligan, which is the highest rating possible.

The category defines Mr MacNamara as a hooligan who is prepared to "use violence or an organiser of violence."

The news is an embarrassing revelation on the eve of a top-level meeting into the crowd trouble at Ninian Park.

Speaking to BBC Wales, Mr Hammam told he knew about Mr MacNamara's past, but described him as a "poacher turned game-keeper."

Court fine

In March 2000, Mr MacNamara was arrested at Cardiff City's away match in Blackpool.

He admitted a charge of threatening and abusive behaviour when he appeared before Blackpool magistrates.

He was fined £100, with £60 costs, and the court also placed the 12-month banning order on Mr MacNamara.

Police dogs were used at the Ninian Park ground

"Our records show that Neil MacNamara appeared here on that date," said a Blackpool Magistrates Court spokesman.

In September 1999, Mr MacNamara also appeared at Cardiff Crown Court charged with violent disorder following a match between Cardiff City and Millwall.

However, the case against him was dropped due to a lack of evidence.

South Wales Police have revealed that Mr MacNamara is not part of their investigation into the violence at Ninian Park.

Officers are poring over CCTV and video footage to track down those responsible for the unrest, and have charged four men who were arrested at the tie.

They are due to appear before the city's magistrates on the 17 January charged with public order offences.

However, a senior South Wales Police source is also reported as saying: "In my view, Mr MacNamara should not be guarding Sam Hammam."

"A lot of the fans know Mr MacNamara is a convicted soccer yob - it will only encourage them to misbehave if they see him acting as Hammam's minder," added the source.

Hooliganism debate

Following the violence at Sunday's match, a top-level summit will be held on Friday between the Football Associations of England and Wales.

It is expected that Cardiff will face disciplinary action but Leeds could also find themselves reprimanded over the behaviour of their fans.

The crowd trouble at Cardiff has sparked a heated debate on the problem of hooliganism in football.

The spotlight on the problem has intensified after further incidents of pitch invasions and missile-throwing by fans at other high-profile games.

The matches affected include Manchester United's third round FA Cup tie with Aston Villa and Tottenham Hotspur's semi-final clash with Chelsea in the Worthington Cup.
 
Do you think anyone with a criminal conviction should be allowed to work again?

Think long and hard before answering this....
 
Dafto
Now I know your a strange cookie with some odd ideas,but surely you can reason that someone with a conviction for football related violence shouldnt be put in a position of responsibility at a football match.What message is Sam Hamman giving to the Cardiff fans,oh and lets not suggest that his conviction was not known about, this nutter would have been well known by every steward and official at CCFC.
Of course I agree with the reabilatation of offenders act,but come on get real!!!!
 
Originally posted by kc:
<strong>Dafto
Now I know your a strange cookie with some odd ideas,but surely you can reason that someone with a conviction for football related violence shouldnt be put in a position of responsibility at a football match.What message is Sam Hamman giving to the Cardiff fans,oh and lets not suggest that his conviction was not known about, this nutter would have been well known by every steward and official at CCFC.
Of course I agree with the reabilatation of offenders act,but come on get real!!!!</strong><hr></blockquote>

I actually think Sam's suggestion re poacher turned gamekeeper has its merits. Who better to advise on potential trouble?

Should the likes of Duncan Ferguson be allowed back on a pitch after being jailed for assault on it?

This is nothing more than a tabloid witchunt and is of no relevance
 
Oh I see lets let pedophiles train to become social workers,wife beaters to be marriage guidence experts.The media have for once done their jobs this is fully relevent to the charge laid against CCFC ITS CHAIRMAN AND FANS,what message does this give about a football club with a history of football violence.
think hard before replying..
 
Originally posted by kc:
<strong>Oh I see lets let pedophiles train to become social workers,wife beaters to be marriage guidence experts.The media have for once done their jobs this is fully relevent to the charge laid against CCFC ITS CHAIRMAN AND FANS,what message does this give about a football club with a history of football violence.
think hard before replying..</strong><hr></blockquote>

<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />

The tabloids wind in one of their targets.....

A club whose reputation is in tatters due to their players off the field behaviour sign Robbie Fowler....
 
Originally posted by kc:
<strong>Oh I see lets let pedophiles train to become social workers,wife beaters to be marriage guidence experts.The media have for once done their jobs this is fully relevent to the charge laid against CCFC ITS CHAIRMAN AND FANS,what message does this give about a football club with a history of football violence.
think hard before replying..</strong><hr></blockquote>

As you see kc Davo did not think at all before replying...you are wasting your time with him. He is a Cardiff fan and has had a commonsense bypass regarding the trouble Sam the Man and his fans have caused...

MacNamara is listed as a top troublemaker by the police’s National Criminal Information Service.

One retired cop said: “The NCIS regard him as a ringleader — someone who orchestrates violence but is careful to keep his own hands clean these days. He is still considered to be active.”

And a South Wales Police insider said: “MacNamara is known to us and should NOT be guarding Sam Hammam.

“A lot of the fans know MacNamara is a convicted yob and it will only encourage them to misbehave if they see him acting as Hamman’s minder.”

A fan — who asked not to be named for fear of revenge attacks — said MacNamara is a legend on the Ninian Park terraces.

He added: “When Hammam does his walkabouts, all the hard-nut fans chant ‘Macca, Macca’ as well as Sam’s name.

“It’s incredible that someone with his sort of reputation should be employed as a minder by the chairman.”

<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> just the sort to lead by example

One question Davo....why does Sam Hammam need a bodyguard?
 
without knowing actual figures a high percentage of doormen,bouncers etc have criminal convictions for violent behavior.ie these people are incable of self control.Just the types you want charged with maintaining peace and good order.
It is possible to find self controlled articulate people with physical presence and street smart..
 
Originally posted by marchingontogether:
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As you see kc Davo did not think at all before replying...you are wasting your time with him. He is a Cardiff fan and has had a commonsense bypass regarding the trouble Sam the Man and his fans have caused...

MacNamara is listed as a top troublemaker by the police’s National Criminal Information Service.

One retired cop said: “The NCIS regard him as a ringleader — someone who orchestrates violence but is careful to keep his own hands clean these days. He is still considered to be active.”

And a South Wales Police insider said: “MacNamara is known to us and should NOT be guarding Sam Hammam.

“A lot of the fans know MacNamara is a convicted yob and it will only encourage them to misbehave if they see him acting as Hamman’s minder.”

A fan — who asked not to be named for fear of revenge attacks — said MacNamara is a legend on the Ninian Park terraces.

He added: “When Hammam does his walkabouts, all the hard-nut fans chant ‘Macca, Macca’ as well as Sam’s name.

“It’s incredible that someone with his sort of reputation should be employed as a minder by the chairman.”

<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> just the sort to lead by example

One question Davo....why does Sam Hammam need a bodyguard?</strong><hr></blockquote>

I'm not a Cardiff fan, tho I do have a certain amount of affection for them. This "story" has no relevance to the trouble on Sunday and is mere dirt digging.

I've no idea why Hammam feels he needs a bodyguard
 
Originally posted by kc:
<strong>without knowing actual figures a high percentage of doormen,bouncers etc have criminal convictions for violent behavior.ie these people are incable of self control.Just the types you want charged with maintaining peace and good order.
It is possible to find self controlled articulate people with physical presence and street smart..</strong><hr></blockquote>


Thats true but as I've highlighted there are many examples of such inconsistencies....to round on this bloke in such a fashion is daft. He didn't do anything wrong on Sunday, merely his job.
 
Originally posted by Davo:
<strong>

I'm not a Cardiff fan, tho I do have a certain amount of affection for them. This "story" has no relevance to the trouble on Sunday and is mere dirt digging.

I've no idea why Hammam feels he needs a bodyguard</strong><hr></blockquote>

<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> These facts most certainly do have a relevance to the trouble at Cardiff, not only on Sunday but at other games too. If the chairman employs a bodyguard <img src="graemlins/houllier.gif" border="0" alt="[Houllier]" /> who is considered to be a notorious active football hooligan classified as a category C, the highest category, by the NCIS what sort of picture does that paint of the club as a whole?
 
Dafto by name dafto by nature...
I hate the Tabloids,but this is relevent information reported on the net yesterday...posted whilst you were crying over on craptalk...ROBBIE FOWLER WAS ON THE WINNING SIDE AT ST MARYS LAST MONTH...WAS NAUGHTY NIC????
 
Originally posted by marchingontogether:
<strong>

<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> These facts most certainly do have a relevance to the trouble at Cardiff, not only on Sunday but at other games too. If the chairman employs a bodyguard <img src="graemlins/houllier.gif" border="0" alt="[Houllier]" /> who is considered to be a notorious active football hooligan classified as a category C, the highest category, by the NCIS what sort of picture does that paint of the club as a whole?</strong><hr></blockquote>

See "Leeds buying Fowler" example you bitter little man..

What did this bloke do on Sunday to offend you? All of a sudden you're judge and jury on all affairs related to Cardiff due to one match that you didn't attend.

You should concentrate your efforts on your own scandals
 
Originally posted by Davo:
<strong>

See "Leeds buying Fowler" example you bitter little man..

What did this bloke do on Sunday to offend you? All of a sudden you're judge and jury on all affairs related to Cardiff due to one match that you didn't attend.

You should concentrate your efforts on your own scandals</strong><hr></blockquote>

I saw your mention of the great goalscoring machine known as Robbie Fowler and did not see the relevance, perhaps you will explain.

I don't need to be the judge or the jury...as the saying goes - give someone enough rope and they will hang themselves.....your mate Sam seems to doing fine for himself <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />

You have had your day with our scandals <img src="graemlins/yawn.gif" border="0" alt="[Yawn]" /> they are over....your teams seem to be just beginning :rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by marchingontogether:
<strong>

I saw your mention of the great goalscoring machine known as Robbie Fowler and did not see the relevance, perhaps you will explain.

I don't need to be the judge or the jury...as the saying goes - give someone enough rope and they will hang themselves.....your mate Sam seems to doing fine for himself <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />

You have had your day with our scandals <img src="graemlins/yawn.gif" border="0" alt="[Yawn]" /> they are over....your teams seem to be just beginning :rolleyes: </strong><hr></blockquote>

Just keep re reading it and see if you can get it. Make notes if it helps...

Judge, Jury, Future Reader, Nob end
 
Lost for answers Davo?.....try answering some of the questions raised in this and other topics. It really is a sign of weakness to costantly divert the topic to others instead of facing the facts.
Yes we at Leeds have had a terrible 2 years
Yes Woodgate was rightly punished
Yes Bow was found not guilty by who mattered

Now that has been accepted....why not have a go at answering the many questions you have been asked and found too embarrassing or difficult to answer.
 
Originally posted by marchingontogether:
<strong>Lost for answers Davo?.....try answering some of the questions raised in this and other topics. It really is a sign of weakness to costantly divert the topic to others instead of facing the facts.
Yes we at Leeds have had a terrible 2 years
Yes Woodgate was rightly punished
Yes Bow was found not guilty by who mattered

Now that has been accepted....why not have a go at answering the many questions you have been asked and found too embarrassing or difficult to answer.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Do you understand the Fowler comment yet?

There were no questions in your last post, just predictions.
 
spot on Marching,Dafto finds it difficult to follow the points of the thread,this blind ignorence,helps the Liverpool fan retain the blind faith required to believe the impossible may just happen,to be admired really...
 
Originally posted by kc:
<strong>spot on Marching,Dafto finds it difficult to follow the points of the thread,this blind ignorence,helps the Liverpool fan retain the blind faith required to believe the impossible may just happen,to be admired really...</strong><hr></blockquote>

eh?
 
Originally posted by Davo:
<strong>

Do you understand the Fowler comment yet?

There were no questions in your last post, just predictions.</strong><hr></blockquote>


No...as I said please explain.

Try reading previous posts and topics where people have asked questions...if, as usual, you can't be bothered lets just stop here.

kc....I think Davo is looking into taking over the hooligans job at Ninnian Park
 
Originally posted by marchingontogether:
<strong>


No...as I said please explain.

Try reading previous posts and topics where people have asked questions...if, as usual, you can't be bothered lets just stop here.

kc....I think Davo is looking into taking over the hooligans job at Ninnian Park</strong><hr></blockquote>

The Fowler thing was explained in the post....If I have to explain everything to you it gets a bit pointless...

Back to answering questions, something you fail to do regularly..

And again, what did the minder do wrong on Sunday? What would your decision be re his employment? Would you sack him? If so do you feel that convicted criminals should not be allowed to gain employment? If this is the case do you feel that Woodgate should be sacked in case he offends again and further tarnishes your club's already Dirty name?

Do you still think that the trouble at Ninian Park is always worse when Cardiff play English teams as you stated the other day?
 
Originally posted by Davo:


The Fowler thing was explained in the post....If I have to explain everything to you it gets a bit pointless...

Back to answering questions, something you fail to do regularly..

And again, what did the minder do wrong on Sunday?
With the rcord he has he was not the right man to be in charge of security - do you think otherwise?

What would your decision be re his employment?
He has been sacked and if I was Hammmam I would sack him as a bodyguard

Would you sack him?
same question twice

If so do you feel that convicted criminals should not be allowed to gain employment?
yes but as others have said you would not allow pedophiles to work in a childrens home or would you?

If this is the case do you feel that Woodgate should be sacked in case he offends again and further tarnishes your club's already Dirty name?

No, Woody is doing his punishment.

Do you still think that the trouble at Ninian Park is always worse when Cardiff play English teams as you stated the other day?
<hr></blockquote>
The violence was orchestrated along nationalistic lines with anti English songs sung so obviously that added even more spice to the occassion

Now why not have a go answering the points raised in this and other topics.
 
And again, what did the minder do wrong on Sunday?
By his mere prescence he was not the right man to be in charge of security

So he actually did nothing wrong then?

What would your decision be re his employment?
He has been sacked and if I was Hammmam I would sack him as a bodyguard

On what grounds? For his past demeanours?


If so do you feel that convicted criminals should not be allowed to gain employment?
yes but as others have said you would not allow pedophiles to work in a childrens home or would you?

So you don't think offenders should be allowed to work in a similar field to where they committed a crime? So Duncan Ferguson should be sacked then IYO?

If this is the case do you feel that Woodgate should be sacked in case he offends again and further tarnishes your club's already Dirty name?

No, Woody is doing his punishment.

This minder blokes done his! Why are you promoting one rule for one and differ for another? Hypocticial and biased

Do you still think that the trouble at Ninian Park is always worse when Cardiff play English teams as you stated the other day?

The violence was orchestrated along nationalistic lines with anti English songs sung so obviously that added even more spice to the occassion

So all the violence was orchestrated due to the Wales/England rivalry was it? And this only rears its head when Cardiff play you? How do you know what was organised?
 
Davo
re the minders employment... sack him yes,this convicted hooligan has no rights to be employed by a football club..of course he has employment rights but not within the game..
Woodgate is a convicted criminal who is currently serving his punishment handed down by the trial judge.His crime was not related to football therfore your question has no validity.If Woodgate was employed by your football club how do you think they would have responded to the verdict???try and be honest???
CCFC have a reputation for this behavior against all clubs irrelevent of nationality..
Leeds United also have a reputation,Leeds always condemm violence and have activly sought to stamp out trouble makers..
Liverpool also have had a tarnished history and I am sure exclude trouble makers from the football club..
 
Originally posted by Davo:
And again, what did the minder do wrong on Sunday?
By his mere prescence he was not the right man to be in charge of security

So he actually did nothing wrong then?
I have no idea what he did or didn't do on Sunday...what he has done at previous matches is well known to the police and as such I don't think he is the best person to be in charge of preventing hooliganism ...do you?


What would your decision be re his employment?
He has been sacked and if I was Hammmam I would sack him as a bodyguard

On what grounds? For his past demeanours?
Yes, to save even more embarrassment to Hammam anmd his club


If so do you feel that convicted criminals should not be allowed to gain employment?
yes but as others have said you would not allow pedophiles to work in a childrens home or would you?

So you don't think offenders should be allowed to work in a similar field to where they committed a crime? So Duncan Ferguson should be sacked then IYO?
I am sure if Dunc had offended the number of times this hooligan has he would be out the door.

If this is the case do you feel that Woodgate should be sacked in case he offends again and further tarnishes your club's already Dirty name?

No, Woody is doing his punishment.

This minder blokes done his! Why are you promoting one rule for one and differ for another? Hypocticial and biased

Bollox....Woodys offence had nothing to do with his job

Do you still think that the trouble at Ninian Park is always worse when Cardiff play English teams as you stated the other day?

The violence was orchestrated along nationalistic lines with anti English songs sung so obviously that added even more spice to the occassion

So all the violence was orchestrated due to the Wales/England rivalry was it? And this only rears its head when Cardiff play you? How do you know what was organised?<hr></blockquote>

You should read more carefully...I said the nationalistic aggro ADDED spice ...it was not all about England v Wales but it did not help. No it does not only happen at Cardiff. I have read police reports, listened to witnesses and spoken to friends that were there. It is no secret that it was built up to be a Wales against England game.
 
Originally posted by kc:
<strong>Davo
re the minders employment... sack him yes,this convicted hooligan has no rights to be employed by a football club..of course he has employment rights but not within the game..
Woodgate is a convicted criminal who is currently serving his punishment handed down by the trial judge.His crime was not related to football therfore your question has no validity.If Woodgate was employed by your football club how do you think they would have responded to the verdict???try and be honest???
CCFC have a reputation for this behavior against all clubs irrelevent of nationality..
Leeds United also have a reputation,Leeds always condemm violence and have activly sought to stamp out trouble makers..
Liverpool also have had a tarnished history and I am sure exclude trouble makers from the football club..</strong><hr></blockquote>

So Sam should sack the bloke on the back of a press storm when for all we know he may be doing a capable job, possibly even preventing hooliganism if Sam's explanation is to be believed? Woodgate has brought the name of you r club into disrepute just as you are claiming this bloke does for Cardiff. What about big Dunk? Should he be sacked for his football related crime?

Who knows what we would have done if Woodgate was ours? Probably similar to you, tho hopefully not offered them new contracts straight away...

Yes Cardiff have a hooligan problem, I have never denied it. And it appears that they will act on it as other clubs have done.
 
Originally posted by Davo:

So Sam should sack the bloke on the back of a press storm when for all we know he may be doing a capable job, possibly even preventing hooliganism if Sam's explanation is to be believed?
It has bugger all to do with the press storm as you call it...it has to do with the FACT that an ACTIVE CATEGORY C FOOTBALL HOOLIGAN is in charge of security at a football club...I am amazed that you don't get this point!

Woodgate has brought the name of you r club into disrepute just as you are claiming this bloke does for Cardiff. What about big Dunk? Should he be sacked for his football related crime?
Woodgate has brought shame on my club and he has rightly been punished..his crime was nothing to do with his job. Dunk is a different case and I think there was a case of him being sacked.

Who knows what we would have done if Woodgate was ours? Probably similar to you, tho hopefully not offered them new contracts straight away...
The way Woody and Bo were treated by the club was perfectly right...innocent until proved guilty and the contract talks began well before the verdicts were given

Yes Cardiff have a hooligan problem, I have never denied it. And it appears that they will act on it as other clubs have done.<hr></blockquote>

Sadly it only appears thjat Hammam is prepared to act once he realised the severity of the situation he and his club found themselves. To start with he denied, somewhat like yourself, that there was much trouble..."stuff going on that was a bit dodgy"...was that you or him?....now he has realised he actually did not have permission to wander around in front of away fans and now other clubs have made statements about trouble at Nannian Park he is backtracking.
 
Originally posted by marchingontogether:
[QB] And again, what did the minder do wrong on Sunday?
By his mere prescence he was not the right man to be in charge of security
So he actually did nothing wrong then?
I have no idea what he did or didn't do on Sunday...what he has done at previous matches is well known to the police and as such I don't think he is the best person to be in charge of preventing hooliganism ...do you?

Thats never stopped you making a comment before....isn't he a minder? Does he need to prevent hooliganism as part of his job spec? And if so do you think his "former live" may help in any way?

What would your decision be re his employment?
He has been sacked and if I was Hammmam I would sack him as a bodyguard

On what grounds? For his past demeanours?
Yes, to save even more embarrassment to Hammam anmd his club

So you think that employees who embarrass a club should be sacked? Which leads onto...

If so do you feel that convicted criminals should not be allowed to gain employment?
yes but as others have said you would not allow pedophiles to work in a childrens home or would you?

So you don't think offenders should be allowed to work in a similar field to where they committed a crime? So Duncan Ferguson should be sacked then IYO?
I am sure if Dunc had offended the number of times this hooligan has he would be out the door.

How many convictions has this bloke got? How many has Dunc got? Has this bloke ever been sent to prison?

If this is the case do you feel that Woodgate should be sacked in case he offends again and further tarnishes your club's already Dirty name?

No, Woody is doing his punishment.

This minder blokes done his! Why are you promoting one rule for one and differ for another? Hypocticial and biased

Bollox....Woodys offence had nothing to do with his job

Doesn't it state in your contracts that players should act in a fashion that promotes the good name (snigger) of the club at all times?


Do you still think that the trouble at Ninian Park is always worse when Cardiff play English teams as you stated the other day?

The violence was orchestrated along nationalistic lines with anti English songs sung so obviously that added even more spice to the occassion

So all the violence was orchestrated due to the Wales/England rivalry was it? And this only rears its head when Cardiff play you? How do you know what was organised?


You should read more carefully...I said the nationalistic aggro ADDED spice ...it was not all about England v Wales but it did not help. No it does not only happen at Cardiff. I have read police reports, listened to witnesses and spoken to friends that were there. It is no secret that it was built up to be a Wales against England game.

What anti English songs were sung? Not much you can do re the nationalistic point of view if thats taken on board buy some
 
<img src="graemlins/houllier.gif" border="0" alt="[Houllier]" /> I know it is difficult for you but do try to work out the bold type......re-post this time just with the relevant questions....that should keep it down to a minimum for you :rolleyes:
 
originally posted by davo
So Sam should sack the bloke on the back of a press storm when for all we know he may be doing a capable job, possibly even preventing hooliganism if Sam's explanation is to be believed? Woodgate has brought the name of you r club into disrepute just as you are claiming this bloke does for Cardiff. What about big Dunk? Should he be sacked for his football related crime?

Who knows what we would have done if Woodgate was ours? Probably similar to you, tho hopefully not offered them new contracts straight away...

Yes Cardiff have a hooligan problem, I have never denied it. And it appears that they will act on it as other clubs have done.

YOU FAIL TO GET THE POINT...this minder is a football hooligan as well as been a convicted criminal..he as no rights near a football stadium,if he is tasked with eradicating football violence at CCFC..then he as failed in his task so if for no other reason he should be sacked for incompetence..
I am not sure re big Dunc his crime was carried out on the field of play,partly due to police wishing to make a statement etc..I am not avoiding the question..I am not sure ala Cantona.
Woodgates employer descided that he had indeed brought the club into disrepute and he was punished.
 
Originally posted by kc:
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YOU FAIL TO GET THE POINT...this minder is a football hooligan as well as been a convicted criminal..he as no rights near a football stadium,if he is tasked with eradicating football violence at CCFC..then he as failed in his task so if for no other reason he should be sacked for incompetence..</strong><hr></blockquote>

It's Davo's specialist subject..failing to get the point!

It also begs the question when Hammam "says" he knew nothing of Neil MacNamara's history - why did he give him the job when he knew nothing about the guy?

Great CV he must have....
Mr MacNamara, 37, has recently completed a 12-month ban from every football ground in the UK.

The National Criminal Intelligence Service, based at Scotland Yard, lists him as a Category C hooligan, which is the highest rating possible.

The category defines Mr MacNamara as a hooligan who is prepared to "use violence or an organiser of violence."

The news is an embarrassing revelation on the eve of a top-level meeting into the crowd trouble at Ninian Park.

In March 2000, Mr MacNamara was arrested at Cardiff City's away match in Blackpool.

He admitted a charge of threatening and abusive behaviour when he appeared before Blackpool magistrates.

He was fined £100, with £60 costs, and the court also placed the 12-month banning order on Mr MacNamara.

"Our records show that Neil MacNamara appeared here on that date," said a Blackpool Magistrates Court spokesman.

In September 1999, Mr MacNamara also appeared at Cardiff Crown Court charged with violent disorder following a match between Cardiff City and Millwall.

A senior South Wales Police source is also reported as saying: "In my view, Mr MacNamara should not be guarding Sam Hammam."

"A lot of the fans know Mr MacNamara is a convicted soccer yob - it will only encourage them to misbehave if they see him acting as Hammam's minder," added the source.

:rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by kc:
<strong>originally posted by davo
So Sam should sack the bloke on the back of a press storm when for all we know he may be doing a capable job, possibly even preventing hooliganism if Sam's explanation is to be believed? Woodgate has brought the name of you r club into disrepute just as you are claiming this bloke does for Cardiff. What about big Dunk? Should he be sacked for his football related crime?

Who knows what we would have done if Woodgate was ours? Probably similar to you, tho hopefully not offered them new contracts straight away...

Yes Cardiff have a hooligan problem, I have never denied it. And it appears that they will act on it as other clubs have done.

YOU FAIL TO GET THE POINT...this minder is a football hooligan as well as been a convicted criminal..he as no rights near a football stadium,if he is tasked with eradicating football violence at CCFC..then he as failed in his task so if for no other reason he should be sacked for incompetence..
I am not sure re big Dunc his crime was carried out on the field of play,partly due to police wishing to make a statement etc..I am not avoiding the question..I am not sure ala Cantona.
Woodgates employer descided that he had indeed brought the club into disrepute and he was punished.</strong><hr></blockquote>


Perhaps he's just employed as a minder to SH? If so he's doing his job of following him around making sure no one beats him up etc ok.

And, like Woodgate, he has been punished..and is now getting on with his life.

You're convinced he should be sacked for his past football related crimes but unsure re Dunk and Cantona??? That seems fair...
 
Originally posted by marchingontogether:
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It's Davo's specialist subject..failing to get the point!

It also begs the question when Hammam "says" he knew nothing of Neil MacNamara's history - why did he give him the job when he knew nothing about the guy?


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Hammam said he DID know of MacNamara's past..

It appears you've made a mistake
 
Originally posted by Davo:
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Perhaps he's just employed as a minder to SH? If so he's doing his job of following him around making sure no one beats him up etc ok.

And, like Woodgate, he has been punished..and is now getting on with his life.

You're convinced he should be sacked for his past football related crimes but unsure re Dunk and Cantona??? That seems fair...</strong><hr></blockquote>


Now his violent record and continued football hooliganism has come to light the security firm he worked for have rightly sacked him...if for no other reason than he lied to get the job.
Now he is just employed by Hammam as a bodyguard, quite why he needs one I dred to think, and if Sam stopped going in front of the away fans at games I would suspect the likelyhood of, as you said, "getting beaten up" would diminish and along with it the need for a bodyguard.
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Originally posted by marchingontogether:
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Now his violent record and continued football hooliganism has come to light the security firm he worked for have rightly sacked him...if for no other reason than he lied to get the job.
Now he is just employed by Hammam as a bodyguard, quite why he needs one I dred to think, and if Sam stopped going in front of the away fans at games I would suspect the likelyhood of, as you said, "getting beaten up" would diminish and along with it the need for a bodyguard.
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Yes I agree..

After seeing the coins thrown at him by the Leeds fans on Sunday I'm not surprised he's going to pack it in....
 
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Yes I agree..

After seeing the coins thrown at him by the Leeds fans on Sunday I'm not surprised he's going to pack it in....</strong><hr></blockquote>

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Originally posted by kc:
without knowing actual figures a high percentage of doormen,bouncers etc have criminal convictions for violent behavior.ie these people are incable of self control.Just the types you want charged with maintaining peace and good order.
It is possible to find self controlled articulate people with physical presence and street smart..

thought it prudent to bring this back to the top.. Football is a passionate sport and players certainly need to be up for it ie cardiff players last sunday.I applaud there endeavour.Cantona Ferguson went way over the mark of acceptability.
I feel unsure of my answer to your question relating to these players and stated that I dont know.
What I am sure is that a convicted football hooligan as no and i repeat no rights to attend any Football stadia.If MR HAMMAN feels he needs a minder outside of the sport this moron is probably the right man for him...
 
Posted by kc...
YOU FAIL TO GET THE POINT...this minder is a football hooligan as well as been a convicted criminal..he as no rights near a football stadium,if he is tasked with eradicating football violence at CCFC..then he as failed in his task so if for no other reason he should be sacked for incompetence..

Damn good point mate...I wonder what the hooligan stats were prior to this blokes arrival.