Jose hinted that he wanted to change tactics in his presser, but doesn’t have the players back yet to implement them. I also think that’s possibly why he wanted a new CB - so that he could go for a back 3. Truth is we don’t have 3 quality CB’s to play that system without additions. Seems to make sense, to me at least, as to why he wanted a new CB. England played that system well at WC with Maguire on the left.
The beginning of the end... (the original board vetoed Mourinho's transfer wish list thread)
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Man oh man. I think Woodwood really does have the best interests of the club at heart. Please can we listen to sense when it comes to getting the next manager.
Was only referring to the bolded part, just a lame joke attempt.
Vetoing the transfers is one thing but what's the plan for identifying acceptable targets?
Concerning about Mourinho's judgement if he thinks Maguire is the answer now but last year thought Lindelof was better.
Concerning about Mourinho's judgement if he thinks Maguire is the answer now but last year thought Lindelof was better.
I hope this is True , Jose has to go simple .
He's not lasting beyond the season anyway if it's true. And that's taking a 'glass half full' line of thinking anyway.
I'm happy with United not spending big on for example Maguire as I'm not a big fan. Same goes for Willian and Perisic.
Why is everyone suddenly taking made up nonsense in the papers as gospel?
These quotes make absolutely no sense. There are direct quotes from Luke Shaw about Jose taking time early on in the summer break to reassure him that he believes in him. At the same time Woodward is having to "resist" Mourinho attempting to sell Shaw? That doesn't even make any sense in itself without the Shaw quotes, as it is either Mourinho's decision or it isn't. There isn't some inbetween where he isn't allowed to pick which players he sells but is allowed to try to sell them.
Sorry, but people need to start paying attention to what is actually being said instead of believing every bit of negative bullshit that some idiot just makes up on the spot.
For example, Jose Mourinho, directly telling you, today, that the press are capable of mmaking it seem like we were relegated last season by making shit up. He is telling you all that all of this is bullshit.You can believe him, saying things, or you can believe people pretending he has said or done things that there is no actual evidence he ever has.
Mourinho today, directly saying that Martial missed the Bayern game because he had missed 9 days of training, and not for any other reason. Mourinho today, directly saying that Paul Pogba is "happy". These aren't the quotes of Mourinho being unhappy with players. He's been around for an age now. When he is unhappy with someone or something, he certainly doesn't say the opposite.
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Did Woodward really need to so obviously brief the press? At any big club there's going to be some form of healthy tension between an ambitious manager wanting to win things now, and a board having to think about long term asset value... but it should be kept behind closed doors as much as possible!
You do realise Woodward hired Mourinho?
LVG targeted Di Maria, Falcao, Schweinsteiger which are comparable with Jose's list.
Club should have a long term vision and the manager should build his plans over it, not the manager having a short term vision and the club fullfilling it.
Then it begs the question why did they hire Jose when they know he's never been a long term manager? He's a short term mananger and anyone who knows anything about football knows this.
Season after season of buying players hasn't really brought the desired results, either. The question what can be done to have everybody perform at 100% is legitimate. Huge untapped potential there.
I am with Ed on this. What was Jose's wishlist ? Willian, Perisic,Mandzukic, Godin,Maguire,Alderweireld - we will end up looking for replacements in 2 years.
We could actually learn a lot from Liverpool and City deals (irony considering that's how we used to operate under Fergie and Gill).
We could actually learn a lot from Liverpool and City deals (irony considering that's how we used to operate under Fergie and Gill).
Fair point, Shaw has us by the balls and despite the quotes about him and Mourinho sexting it's clearly been a fractious relationship between the 2 from the moment Mourinho shit on him after the Watford game, we could have gotten a decent fee for him from Everton or Newcastle I imagine, in fact there were several mid table sides throwing money around this summer that would have likely been up for taking a chance on Shaw for £20M.
It's not one idiot, every paper is covering the same story tomorrow. They've been briefed
Been leaked to the BBC too
In short, there was a disagreement between the manager and the board over signings. Club want a long-term approach.
If that's the case, get Pochettino. If you hire Mourinho, then you'll have to back his way
In short, there was a disagreement between the manager and the board over signings. Club want a long-term approach.
If that's the case, get Pochettino. If you hire Mourinho, then you'll have to back his way
They have left the next manager too much work to do if Jose goes by next summer.
We needed to sign another 2-3 this window.
How are we going to replace all the players in the last year of their contract in one window?
Smalling
Jones
Young
Valencia
Shaw
Darmian
Herrera
Mata
Etc.
I can see new contracts for a few of the above.
We needed to sign another 2-3 this window.
How are we going to replace all the players in the last year of their contract in one window?
Smalling
Jones
Young
Valencia
Shaw
Darmian
Herrera
Mata
Etc.
I can see new contracts for a few of the above.
Same I have to say (with those names in particular).
I’m perversely happy with our lack of activity too. Let’s see him get the current lot to play a tune. They’re better than we saw last season. If he can’t do that, then cheerio. Time for a fresh start.
Yeah and its gone pretty much how I thought. I can see how a none football fan could make that mistake though.
Noodle, it's clear all the papers have been briefed. BBC, Guardian, Telegraph and Mirror all running basically word-for-word identical articles.
I had been thinking the reason for the clubs lack of activity had been Woodward and Mourinho not being on the same page over targets. And to be honest if these rumours are true i think the club is right to not back him blindly for a few reasons. They gave LVG too much reign and thats largely why the squad is in this mess Mourinho has been trying to sort out.
The club had no problem backing Mourinho for the best part of £100m to sign Matic and Sanchez on huge salaries. But i think his targets are way too short term, and not the right age profile. If the rumoured targets are true then Willian, Perisic, Alderweireld, Boateng, Godin etc. while all very good players are all in or around 30 years old. Had we signed two of them our first team could have looked something like this.
Valencia(33)--Smalling(29)--Alderweireld(29)--Young (33)
-----Fred (25)----------Matic(30)-----------Pogba(25)
----Willian (30)--------Lukaku(25)---------Sanchez(29)
Looks a strong side but too many players around 30 there in my opinion. The club probably have it in the back of their minds that while they hope Mourinho is here long term he's never actually stayed anywhere more than 3 years. If he did leave next summer there would have been another major rebuild on the cards with the age profile of most of the key players in the squad.
The club had no problem backing Mourinho for the best part of £100m to sign Matic and Sanchez on huge salaries. But i think his targets are way too short term, and not the right age profile. If the rumoured targets are true then Willian, Perisic, Alderweireld, Boateng, Godin etc. while all very good players are all in or around 30 years old. Had we signed two of them our first team could have looked something like this.
Valencia(33)--Smalling(29)--Alderweireld(29)--Young (33)
-----Fred (25)----------Matic(30)-----------Pogba(25)
----Willian (30)--------Lukaku(25)---------Sanchez(29)
Looks a strong side but too many players around 30 there in my opinion. The club probably have it in the back of their minds that while they hope Mourinho is here long term he's never actually stayed anywhere more than 3 years. If he did leave next summer there would have been another major rebuild on the cards with the age profile of most of the key players in the squad.
If your manager wants to buy a CB for a third season in a row, and the one he signed last summer can hardly get a look in it's easy to see why the club is apprehensive.
Anyways, what the board should really be coming under stick for is renewing Mourinho's contract last season. Will come back as one of the stupidest decisions they've ever made, and should signal for a change in the back (DOF or someone to take charge of footballing decisions).
Anyways, what the board should really be coming under stick for is renewing Mourinho's contract last season. Will come back as one of the stupidest decisions they've ever made, and should signal for a change in the back (DOF or someone to take charge of footballing decisions).
It's nonsense but not from the media. It's clearly briefing from the club to them. It has happened several times before that's not the first time.
Basically the club is backing up excuses for the crap window by briefing all reliable journalists these lame things about short term fixes not better than what we have but could have paid 100m for a player impossible to be sold like Varane.
Basically BS, but it's not the media to be blamed. It's Ed and the club because they clearly briefed it everywhere.
A 'win at all costs' quick fix manager wanting to sign players that are ... wait for it ... quick fix. Although I agree with Woody's current stance you've got to wonder why he and the board didn't see this coming when they hired Mourinho. Baffling management all around.
Agreed, maybe there was something in that love letter he supposedly sent about his vision for the club if he was made manager? I mean his first press conferences saw him talk about realizing this was a different "project" with different requirements than other clubs he's been at, but then we failed to win a few games while playing some decent football and creating stacks of chances and he went back to the bus and we shithoused our way to the Europa League, then he started last season like we had a different intent but the first big team we came up against saw him park the bus and the season got uglier from there as we sunk more into his old mindset.
Is it me or have the briefings become MILES more obvious in the post-Fergie (aka Woodward) era?
tbh the briefing doesn't even make sense when you analyse the players Jose has brought in, Zlatan, Sanchez, Matic none of them were for the long term but we still got them as we did with the likes of Pogba, Fred and Lukaku those who have a longer shelf life. When you look at it that way this briefing is just an excuse for the boards transfer failings and one that doesn't actually add up
Reality is that Ed must of known that Jose is a short term manager and is a serial trophy hunter so that his own reputation remains intact regardless of what it means to the club after Jose has been there, knowing how things ended at Chelsea through both spells and at Real it’s poor judgement on Ed’s side too thinking it’d suddenly be different at us.
Since the second Sir Alex retired the club has had no identity or vision or genuine plan or structure other than to make lots of money through commercial deals for great profit but on the pitch we're fecking clueless, we need someone to come in with a genuine plan and give us an identity and identify what is needed to implement that into that.
I’m not saying it’s who we should go after but someone like Pocchettino has a plan and an identity and Spurs have got better each year and players have improved and progressed, the type of players we always went for too as Spurs took a load of younger players and improved them rather than buying established world class stars at a premium with no sell on value or past their best.
Since the second Sir Alex retired the club has had no identity or vision or genuine plan or structure other than to make lots of money through commercial deals for great profit but on the pitch we're fecking clueless, we need someone to come in with a genuine plan and give us an identity and identify what is needed to implement that into that.
I’m not saying it’s who we should go after but someone like Pocchettino has a plan and an identity and Spurs have got better each year and players have improved and progressed, the type of players we always went for too as Spurs took a load of younger players and improved them rather than buying established world class stars at a premium with no sell on value or past their best.
Sounds reasonable from the board. I’m normally very critical of Ed but if this is true, I’m backing the board here.
But as the others are saying, if we’re not going to back him, why not put him out of his misery.
I’m hoping Ed has learned from his 5 years and is planning on reviewing potential replacements before he pulls the trigger. Hopefully, mourinho is the Ron atkinson to our young Ferguson like next manager.
But as the others are saying, if we’re not going to back him, why not put him out of his misery.
I’m hoping Ed has learned from his 5 years and is planning on reviewing potential replacements before he pulls the trigger. Hopefully, mourinho is the Ron atkinson to our young Ferguson like next manager.
Hehh. Nicely done.
I have no problem with that, too much money has been thrown on average players in the last few years by this club.
I think we are better off the sooner it ends, but this is just not true. Fred, Dalot, Lukaku, Pogba, Bailly and Lindelof have time on their side and aren't short-term fixes at all.
Flew over my head that!
Yeah, there's no subtlety. Woodward clearly wants his side of the story out with the fans, and isn't that bothered if it pisses Jose off.
Agreed. If this is the case that the board have to look at someone more in line with their plan.
Prestige to try and appease the fans? I mean, it's quite clear he hasn't been one of the best managers in the world for a few years now, but you still have people on here to this day who would defend Mourinho against all logic. He clearly has a following, and the club has been struggling to find a manager that garnered the respect of the fans.
One thing is for sure is that it's never been more clear the board and Mourinho are at odds over their philosophy. One would think this was discussed before his hiring, but I'm sure they didn't expect him to have such a hard time finding an identity for this team, or how he would end up treating Martial who is a favorites of the Woodward and ownership apparently. I can't see Mourinho lasting much longer.
Or maybe Ed is tired of spending all that money to no prevail, and wants a bit to regroup. Additionally, when quite a few players are already old, it probably isn't wise to add other old players to the team. Unfortunately, it seems that most/all Mourinho's targets were old players.
Probably a new policy from the club (similar to how it was under Fergie) after the LVG/Mourinho fiasco when we gave them whatever they wanted and they delivered crap on return.