The Ashes

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This is my first post in the cricket forum. I am a lancashire fan and cant wait for the ashes. My main qestion is who's going to win? But some others are what do you all think our(england) bowling attack will finally be. Due to injuries to simon jones etc... And what batting order would you play. Pieterson at 3? like in the ODI'S or 5 as normal in tests
cheers,
 
I think will get hammered. No Jones, no Vaughn. We're missing two vital players and I don't think we can replace them. Warne and McGrath will clean us up with regularity in their last Ashes series.
 
Vaughn made ponting look shit in the last ashes we will miss his as a captain so much. We also will miss Jones badly as well. I don’t like making excuses but the injuries have been so bad. I really hope Freddie gets the team going and win the ashes cause them aussie players are getting too cocky 5-0 all they say and some players saying we are a one man team(flintoff).
 
Flintoff's fitness will be key to any remote chance England have of regaining the Ashes.

England have looked really poor and jaded since the Ashes victory, especially on travels.

Verdict: Very little or no chance of regaining the Ashes.
 
Utd heap said:
I am a lancashire fan.
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Unlucky in the championship - a few games were rained of when we were coasting to victories.

Manchester weather is hampering our chances of winning...
 
I've got me tickets. :D

I don't like Sir Freddy being captain, he's got too much on his plate as our bes batsmen and bowler and all round good guy already. Adding the captaincy is going to feck him up on such a big tour.

I reckon it'll be a whitewash to the ozzies and England will be back in our rightful place as cricketing feckwits again. Mind you I'll be well and truly pissed on the 4th day of the 2nd Test.
 
Agreed. Anything better than a whitewash will be a good result.
 
Agree re Freddy - I thought Strauss did well this summer and I suspect he's more of a leader and a better thinker than Flintoff. I was a little disappointed when he was named captain - I think it will be to the detriment of his batting and bowling as he'll feel too much pressure to perform as captain.
 
I think England will do well as Aussie pitches (hard ‘n bouncy) are perfectly suited to our (fit) bowlers; Harmy, Freddie, Anderson and Mahmood. Jones won’t be missed so much because his bowling is more suited to slower, swinging, pitches.
And, I haven’t even mentioned Monthy and Hoggy….
I think the Aussies are worried. Warne clearly thinks the Aussies will struggle.

Also, our batting will be more suited to the quicker pitches over there. Trescothick, Pieterson and Freddie love facing fast bowling on quick pitches. If they start to score runs then Australia will really struggle.
They’re batting is top class but their bowling has question marks. Warne is the best spin bowler in the world alongside Mulithuran. But the rest? McGrath? I think he’s past it. Lee, their quickest bowler, can be fantastic in bits and spurts but he’s no McGrath, not by a long way. And the rest? Well unless they have uncovered some new rising star I don’t know of, there isn’t another seam bowler who would get in the England XXII let alone 11.

I think Australia are a team, who’s main bowling attack is past it’s best. I think they are on the verge of losing the title as unofficial world champions to either England or Pakistan.
 
I think England have a decent chance. Australia are not the mean machine they used to be. I would settle for a narrow series win. As for unofficial champions, it's funny the last poster mentioned Pakistan. One of my friends is Pakistani and he reckons Pakistan are past their best.
 
I dont think anyones going to get thrashed. Will probably be close again, which makes for great viewing. I think Aussies have to be favourates, but England drawing it is very much a possibility. Much depends on Mcgrath and Warne, thats Australias potential weakness and strength. If those two struggle with either fitness or form, Australia dont have much else.
 
Wibble said:
I suspect that Brett Lee will wreak havok on home pitches.
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Harmy and Freddie are much better bowlers than Lee and they will have even more fun than him….
 
Rams said:
Harmy and Freddie are much better bowlers than Lee and they will have even more fun than him….
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Thats dodgy. Brett Lee when on fire is one of the best.
 
Rams said:
Harmy and Freddie are much better bowlers than Lee and they will have even more fun than him….
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Much better what a laugh:lol: Better maybe but there wouldn't be too much difference between them. Also Lee destroys them in the one day version of the game in terms of bowling.
 
Utd heap said:
This is my first post in the cricket forum. I am a lancashire fan and cant wait for the ashes. My main qestion is who's going to win? But some others are what do you all think our(england) bowling attack will finally be. Due to injuries to simon jones etc... And what batting order would you play. Pieterson at 3? like in the ODI'S or 5 as normal in tests
cheers,
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Australia will win.
 
Lee is too inconsistent. With all due respect to Lee, he doesn't have the greatest controll in the world when he's bowling top pace...... He's a bit like Devon Malcom.

And think we forget how good the really great quickies were: McGrath, Lillee, Holding, Marshall, etc. They didn't have "bad days" and they didn't give easy runs away. Lee is too expensive.

Freddie and Harmy will do well cos they have great control and they don't half hit the deck. Ideal bowlers for Aussie pitches.
 
Thing is, when Lee bowls well, there are few bowlers as dangerous. He can run right through teams.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
Thing is, when Lee bowls well, there are few bowlers as dangerous. He can run right through teams.
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When he bowls well,same could be said of harmison and i know which player id rather have in my side if i had to choose.
 
massey said:
When he bowls well,same could be said of harmison and i know which player id rather have in my side if i had to choose.
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Im not sure about who i'd have in my team. And thats irrelevant because i dont care. Lee can potentially be one of the few players that decide this series, thats all. Facing 90+ miles an hour on those wickets is never easy.
 
Fletcher states that he has fitness worries about Flinthoff.
Now whats the bet Flinthoff gets 10 wickets in the 1st test?
Let the mind games begin….
 
The Aussies will win. Their batsman are in good nick and Mcgrath, Bracken, Watson all are approaching top form. Will be very supried if England win a single test
 
Lets luck at this objectively.
Australia has more strength in depth in their batting, England in their bowling.
It’s gonna be as tight as Stan’s wallet, but bowlers normally win test matches….
 
Spoony said:
I've heard Perth isn't as bouncy as it used to be.
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You've not been to the right bars

Can't see England winning this Ramsy, you're right about bowlers winning tests but as I said, Flintoff's been crocked and Harmy's not been in proper form for absolutely ages
 
This whole Aussie domination is getting a bit embaressing now. They've fecking won almost everything everywhere. The irritating part is that the rest of the teams have been so rubbish. England and India before in phases have built good teams which did well to give them competition but it didnt last long. South Africa in the late 90s was the one who i thought matched them in every department but in this millenium they've fallen behind.
 
Harmy has hardly played on a wicket that suits his bowling since the windies series a few years back.
And when he has (i.e. OT this summer) he's got a hat full of wickets.
Flint will be fine. He won't be bowling long stints as it is cos he will have been told to concentrate on the captaincy.
Nobody even mentiones Hoggy, yet he has one of the best new ball records in test cricket. However, the pitches won't suit him.
But the real danger men could be the back up bowlers, either Mahmood or Anderson. Both, like Harmisson, will love bowling on aussie pitches.
And then to think we can add a genuine world class spinner to that line up.

England are once again playing their chances down, but the reality could be different.
 
I can't see anything other than an Aussie series victory without Jones. His reverse swing, did tip the balance.
 
Spoony said:
I've heard Perth isn't as bouncy as it used to be.
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Well… Ive heard that the aussies would like the English to believe that in the hope they will pick 2 spinners… The Aussies are shit scared of facing Harmy and Co on a wicket, which can chop your head off in a blink of an eye.
 
Rams said:
Well… Ive heard that the aussies would like the English to believe that in the hope they will pick 2 spinners… The Aussies are shit scared of facing Harmy and Co on a wicket, which can chop your head off in a blink of an eye.
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Apparently it's a new track. They've only got one really bouncy wicket left, from what I've heard. (The Gabba, I think)
 
Spoony said:
I can't see anything other than an Aussie series victory without Jones. His reverse swing, did tip the balance.
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If it was in England I would agree with you.
But even Jones wouldn’t get a kookaburra cricket ball to swing in Ozzieland.
In Ozzie you win games with fast nasty bowling and spin bowling.
Enter Harmy & Co….
 
Rams said:
If it was in England I would agree with you.
But even Jones wouldn’t get a kookaburra cricket ball to swing in Ozzieland.
In Ozzie you win games with fast nasty bowling and spin bowling.
Enter Harmy & Co….
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I hope you're right. Goughie could get the ball to reverse in Aus, by the way.
 
Spoony said:
Apparently it's a new track. They've only got one really bouncy wicket left, from what I've heard. (The Gabba, I think)
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The thing is, and I know this sounds stupid, it’s not a pitch that makes it fast. It’s the soil. In aussie the soil is rock hard. Even when they consider a pitch to be slow, it is considered as fast as lightning elsewhere.
This England attack is always going to be a handful in Australia and the Windies.
 
Spoony said:
I hope you're right. Goughie could get the ball to reverse in Aus, by the way.
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white ball....

They were even getting that one to swing in the Champions Trophy in India. Everybody was reverse swinging it.
 
Rams said:
white ball....

They were even getting that one to swing in the Champions Trophy in India. Everybody was reverse swinging it.
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Even the red one, Rams. Do you remember his 6 wickets in his first Ashes, Down Under?
 
Spoony said:
Even the red one, Rams. Do you remember his 6 wickets in his first Ashes, Down Under?
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Tis true. Still, I don't think Jones would get much swing in Down Underpants.
 
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