The Americas Draft, R1: Jayvin vs Tuppet 6-7

Considering players at their peak, who will win the match?


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Interesting confrontation between a very offensive team & a very defensive one.
 
What do the other managers think about this game?
 
Reading this match - picturing how things will pan out - isn't the easiest task. I'm trying to determine whether Jayvin's approach here is overly defensive or not, for instance.
 
I'm not sure whether it's a purely aesthetics thing with Jayvin's 3-5-2. Tarantini and Maicon do look somewhat reserved in their positioning. But perhaps that's a reflection of the wide attackers they're up against and a means of providing more attacking freedom to the central midfield trio.
 
Reading this match - picturing how things will pan out - isn't the easiest task. I'm trying to determine whether Jayvin's approach here is overly defensive or not, for instance.

I don't think it's overly defensive. It's very strong in that respect, but I think the attributes of the players I've picked work very well in a counter-attacking system.
The front 5 are all technically excellent, I've got hard working forwards who are also proflic goalscorers. A versatile defence who can cover multiple positions if someone is caught out.

I also think my side is well equipped to exploit Tuppet's high defensive line, with the passing ability of Cueto and the movement and pace of Sivori and Suarez up front.
 
I'm not sure whether it's a purely aesthetics thing with Jayvin's 3-5-2. Tarantini and Maicon do look somewhat reserved in their positioning. But perhaps that's a reflection of the wide attackers they're up against and a means of providing more attacking freedom to the central midfield trio.

I want Tarantini to perform a primarily defensive role. Tuppet has outlined in his write-up that Scarone will be cutting inside and with Tarantini I have a left back who is capable of slotting in as an extra central defender, tucking inside along with Marquez and Ricardo Gomes which will give me the advantage in terms of numbers. Maicon's role is far more attacking, and I want him along with Velasquez to use their athleticism and stamina to try and overload that right flank on the counter. With Sensini covering for him as an auxilliary RB and Maicon's exemplarly work-rate I think my right side should remain defensively strong.
 
I want Tarantini to perform a primarily defensive role. Tuppet has outlined in his write-up that Scarone will be cutting inside and with Tarantini I have a left back who is capable of slotting in as an extra central defender, tucking inside along with Marquez and Ricardo Gomes which will give me the advantage in terms of numbers. Maicon's role is far more attacking, and I want him along with Velasquez to use their athleticism and stamina to try and overload that right flank on the counter. With Sensini covering for him as an auxilliary RB and Maicon's exemplarly work-rate I think my right side should remain defensively strong.
Yeah that seems sensible - horses for courses. I can see Cubilla causing some problems there, but at the same time he was a bit of a chubster so I don't fancy him tracking Maicon back either.
 
It's basically match up of contrasting styles. Like every side which employes possession heavy tactics and try to take initiative in attacking, our squad is also vulnerable to counter attack. But then the question also become can my opposition keep the likes of Romario, Scarone and Cubilla quite when they are being supplied by the likes of Sastre and De guia and hogging the ball for long durations. I doubt Romario can be kept quite just by packing more bodies in defense, it took a career best performance of Baresi to keep him at bay and none of Jayvin's defender is even close.

Which leads me to the point that my defense while employing less bodies is as good if not better. Perfumo is the best defender and Andrade is best full back on the field. Matosas was a starter for Peñarol over the first half of the 60s, winning five league titles, 2x Copa Libertadores, 1x Intercontinental Cup and resulting in River buying him for what was at the time a record fee (living up to their nick as "the Millionaires"). He was the part of the Intercontinental cup winning squad which shut down CL winning Real Madrid in 66. He is more closer to Jayvin's defender. There is also the proven partnership of Caetano and Matosas as they were part of the backline for many seasons for both Penarol and Uruguay.
And to top it all it is shielded by Luis Monti and further guarded by the best SA goalkeeper in Carrizo, so its not like every counter is going to result in a goal.

I would also like to mention Sastre here, in the debate of best midfielder on the park he kind of flew under the radar. Sastre was part of and considered the brain behind 2 of the highest goalscoring forwards - Erico and Leonides . I can see him dovetaling with Romario and provide similar kind of results.
 
A bit simplistic maybe but in don't have much time:

I think Monti is a huge asset in terms of offering protection from counter attacks, and the defence behind him is reasonably strong. Suarez is a threat on the break but doesn't necessarily possess lighting quick speed.

Thus, my thinking is that tuppets defence copes fairly well with the counter and the attacking threat of Romario and Scarone in particular is the most likely goalscoring threat.
 
A bit simplistic maybe but in don't have much time:

I think Monti is a huge asset in terms of offering protection from counter attacks, and the defence behind him is reasonably strong. Suarez is a threat on the break but doesn't necessarily possess lighting quick speed.

Thus, my thinking is that tuppets defence copes fairly well with the counter and the attacking threat of Romario and Scarone in particular is the most likely goalscoring threat.

With so many bodies at the back in my team, Tuppets fullbacks will be a vital part of his attack and I'm hoping they will be caught out with a swift counter. As I've said before I believe I have the right players to execute such a system and while Monti would be a difficult opponent, I don't think he has the ability to subdue Cueto AND cover for his central defenders given the exceptional movement and passing of my front 3.
 
I've gone for Jayvin. I like his central core and tactical setup. It was a really close call, though. Could have gone either way.
 
I've gone for Jayvin. I like his central core and tactical setup. It was a really close call, though. Could have gone either way.

I was messing around in sharemytactics before with who would cover who and how the teams matched up on the 'same field' and it was very even, so I agree it's a very close call.

I think it probably would come down to a moment of genius - whether from the Romario/Scarone/Ademir trio or Sivori/Suarez/Cueto - and because of my defensive strength I think that gives my team the edge.
 
With so many bodies at the back in my team, Tuppets fullbacks will be a vital part of his attack and I'm hoping they will be caught out with a swift counter. As I've said before I believe I have the right players to execute such a system and while Monti would be a difficult opponent, I don't think he has the ability to subdue Cueto AND cover for his central defenders given the exceptional movement and passing of my front 3.
I think you lack bodies in attack to take advantage of my high line. Even if say Caetano is caught up high there is no winger to take advantage of it. Having no wide attacking players also limit the effectiveness of Cueto's passing who has fewer targets for his accurate passes. In a counter I see Sivori operating in the zone between Perfumo - Andrade and Suarez between Monti and Matosas, I think my defense match up quite well. Your best hope would be to nick a goal and see the game through 1-0, but I don't see that happening with Romario - Scarone with the service they are receiving in the game.
 
I think it probably would come down to a moment of genius - whether from the Romario/Scarone/Ademir trio or Sivori/Suarez/Cueto - and because of my defensive strength I think that gives my team the edge.
But you are completely neglecting both Cubilla and Sastre, esp Cubilla. Your strength in defense come from numbers and that is because I have more attacking players, the moment of genius can most definitely come from left side of Cubilla. Much like the moment he provided in a similarly tight game Uruguay vs USSR against the defense lead by shesternyov -



Anotnio Sastre has also scored 180 goals in top flight, he can totally get that elusive goal to turn this game on head.
 
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A bit simplistic maybe but in don't have much time:

I think Monti is a huge asset in terms of offering protection from counter attacks, and the defence behind him is reasonably strong. Suarez is a threat on the break but doesn't necessarily possess lighting quick speed.

Thus, my thinking is that tuppets defence copes fairly well with the counter and the attacking threat of Romario and Scarone in particular is the most likely goalscoring threat.
You left without voting though :(
 
I think you lack bodies in attack to take advantage of my high line. Even if say Caetano is caught up high there is no winger to take advantage of it. Having no wide attacking players also limit the effectiveness of Cueto's passing who has fewer targets for his accurate passes. In a counter I see Sivori operating in the zone between Perfumo - Andrade and Suarez between Monti and Matosas, I think my defense match up quite well. Your best hope would be to nick a goal and see the game through 1-0, but I don't see that happening with Romario - Scarone with the service they are receiving in the game.

I'm counting on the movement and dribbling of my front two and the quick thinking and passing ability of my midfield to exploit your high line. Cueto popped up all over the pitch for Peru and his combination play with Velasquez, Cubillas and Sotil was quick, fluid and decisive. I see no reason why he can't have the same kind of chemistry with my lineup, Redondo in particular would thrive in such a setup. Sivori like Cubillas was an excellent dribbler and would dovetail with Cueto splendidly, while Suarez' work-rate and movement help to stretch your defensive line.
 
On the other side, I see Jayvin's defense pinned down deep in their half, which is great news for Romario. His acceleration in last few yards to gain an upper hand to any defender was exceptional. If Romario is closer to the opposition Penalty area for long durations and given service, there is no way he won't score, esp with the defense he facing. The likes of Maraquez have no hope to shut him down.
 
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But you are completely neglecting both Cubilla and Sastre, esp Cubilla. Your strength in defense come from numbers and that is because I have more attacking players.

I don't think it's just the numbers, that's playing down the individual quality of my defenders. Ricardo Gomes was captain of Brazil and a key player for successful European sides, Marquez is regarded as the best Mexican defender of all time and Roberto Sensini played in Serie A during it's peak and represented Argentina at 3 World Cups. Marquez and Sensini in particuarly are also technically adept and versatile players who can cover multiple positions.

I just wished you hadn't specified you were keeping the ball on the ground so I could emphasise Ricardo Gomes' prowess in the air. :(
 
I don't think it's just the numbers, that's playing down the individual quality of my defenders. Ricardo Gomes was captain of Brazil and a key player for successful European sides, Marquez is regarded as the best Mexican defender of all time and Roberto Sensini played in Serie A during it's peak and represented Argentina at 3 World Cups. Marquez and Sensini in particuarly are also technically adept and versatile players who can cover multiple positions.

I just wished you hadn't specified you were keeping the ball on the ground so I could emphasise Ricardo Gomes' prowess in the air. :(
May be I didn't phrase it right, what I wanted to say that I have more attacking players simply because you have more defensive players. Saying that we have both 3 players capable of providing an attacking magical moment while you have edge on defensive side is a bit disingenuous when you don't count one of the greatest winger, who won everything there is to win in his club career and is voted 11th best SA player by IFFHS. I also do genuinely feel that individually my defenders are slightly better (well at least 2 of them are), but you have a more tightly packed defense and a tactic which favors defending.
 
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Vote for me and my defensive wall will make it happen! Trust me it's a tremendous wall, I know South American footballers, I have the best footballers.
Is Marques paying for your wall? That's the question!
 
Aye, missed this game completely,lot of work these days to get a proper look at it. Two very well crated teams, really hard to separate them. Personally I love Jayvin midfield - IMO he has advantage there and Redondo IMO is better than Monti - I can of course understand the reasoning behind someone choosing Monti instead of course.

Apart from that again it's down to personal preference and I probably like Tuppet's side a tad more, but again it's great effort from both.