seanoc said:
with Keane16 here, the Football means a lot more to me from a spectators point of view but have really enjoyed some of the Hurling this summer.......will watch the Charity Shield
The All-Ireland Thread 2004
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with Keane16 here, the Football means a lot more to me from a spectators point of view but have really enjoyed some of the Hurling this summer.......will watch the Charity Shield
Keane16 said:
Ah yes I've quitely wiped that from my mind, fcukin awful stuff so it was.....
Keane16 said:
Agree with you there,
ppl make a big thing out of the long lay off fuching teams up but last season it was the two direct teams that made it to the final.
Kilkenny didnt impress against Clare and Galway lay down before them. Sheflin could be out and either way my money will be on waterford.
Wexford v Cork should be yet another cracker, the first game last season was an amazing game. Id fancy Cork slightly as we havnt really got such a great panel this yr really, still ya never know.
As for Dublin beating Kerry
Murt said:As for Dublin beating Kerry
Right.
Murt has jinxed it so.
Keane16 said:
.....not at all bud, Murt is dead right, it would be extremely funny if the Dubs beat Kerry, I'd kin laugh me head off
a mate of mine rang me last night and asked if I'd be interested in a couple of free passes to the Guinness corporate box at Croke Park for tomorrows football quarters, which was nice 
Kerry are going to lash the Dubs out of it, they can afford to be as cocky as feck cos all they have to do is turn up
Dublin win ?
Dublin win ?
Nialler said:a mate of mine rang me last night and asked if I'd be interested in a couple of free passes to the Guinness corporate box at Croke Park for tomorrows football quarters, which was nice
Nice one. Any chance of bagging a few for the real game?
sparky34 said:Kerry are going to lash the Dubs out of it, they can afford to be as cocky as feck cos all they have to do is turn up
Dublin win ?
if The Kingdom think like that, they'll lose.Lads I fancy an upset on the cards tomorrow. I do not think Tyrone and Armagh are going to have it easy.
Since McDonald has come back for Mayo he has being playing brillant stuff. Deserved an allstar for his performances to date and If I am a betting man, which I am, I would stick a few quid on Mayo.
BTW What about the Shels. Great performance. I hope they put up a brave show against Deportivo.
Since McDonald has come back for Mayo he has being playing brillant stuff. Deserved an allstar for his performances to date and If I am a betting man, which I am, I would stick a few quid on Mayo.
BTW What about the Shels. Great performance. I hope they put up a brave show against Deportivo.
Have it easy? - no.
Win? - yes.
Win? - yes.
Nialler said:a mate of mine rang me last night and asked if I'd be interested in a couple of free passes to the Guinness corporate box at Croke Park for tomorrows football quarters, which was nice
well done, i didnt make it to croker this summer, feckin wexford had to go win the leinster final and deny me a day out!
Went to a few bogball games though, Matty Forde is gaelics Zidane, sublime player who deserves an allstar.
Anyone ever hear anything about getting the games online?
All I've found is that BBC style text commentary or the radio commentary on rte.ie
Matty Forde is a good player alright, but suffers from Declan Browne syndrome. As for the All-Stars, its a bit early to be picking them to be honest. Anyone who plays well from here on in will probably get the nod over the likes of Forde, who plays only a few games a year and wins nothing. If he played for Dublin, Kerry or Armagh, it'd be different story.
Matty Forde is a good player alright, but suffers from Declan Browne syndrome. As for the All-Stars, its a bit early to be picking them to be honest. Anyone who plays well from here on in will probably get the nod over the likes of Forde, who plays only a few games a year and wins nothing. If he played for Dublin, Kerry or Armagh, it'd be different story.
Keane16 said:
bazalini said:
Cnut. From now on, my money goes where Baz says it should go. He was right about Westmeath and he was right today.
That said, I'm too happy to be annoyed. Armagh and Tyrone sent packing one after the other - happy days, happy days! Up the Kingdom now.
Baz, obviously you'll pick Westmeath to topple Derry (rightly in my opinion - and I'll be cheering them on), but what about the Kerry v. Dublin game, from a financial point of view.
Keane16 said:
Lets get this straight Keano, I said Westmeath would win after a draw in the first game, and was spot on with yesterday's matches.
Jaysus I just don't know I have a eye for certain outcomes. The same with the Premiership.
Next week my early thoughts are on Westmeath and sorry to say this Dublin. I see in Kerry the same as Armagh and Tyrone. A lot of hype but about 35mins of good football played all season.
Is this the year of the underdog ?
Greece win Euro '04, Westmeath win Leinster, Fear Manach play Mayo in the Semi-Final
Great displays by both Fear Manach and Mayo.
Do you guys think that the negative "blanket" defence tactics adopted most notably by Armagh & Tyrone have been found out ? I hope so for one.
Met some lovely people from Fermanagh at Croker on Saturday, like the players the supporters actually believed they could do it and really got behind their team, great buzz after the game.
Greece win Euro '04, Westmeath win Leinster, Fear Manach play Mayo in the Semi-Final
Great displays by both Fear Manach and Mayo.
Do you guys think that the negative "blanket" defence tactics adopted most notably by Armagh & Tyrone have been found out ? I hope so for one.
Met some lovely people from Fermanagh at Croker on Saturday, like the players the supporters actually believed they could do it and really got behind their team, great buzz after the game.
Nialler said:
Don't forget that playing the 'blanket defence' also means playing the rules as much as you can and seeing what you can get away with - gamesmanship if you like. Tyrone were experts at it last year in particular. If the phenomenon is on the way out (bit early for that) then the refereeing will also have to be tightened up. Negative tactics like the constant niggling fouling, time wasting, faking injuries, surrounding the ref, etc... need to be cut out by the refs themselves.
How was the corporate hospitality by the way?
bazalini said:
You're on a roll.
bazalini said:
Do you just think that, or will money be going on?
What do you reckon Nialler, Dublin favourites for the Kerry match?
Keane16 said:
it wasn't, my mate who got the tickets got it all wrong. He rang me 30 mins before we were to meet and said he was running late and had to go to St. James Gate to pick up the tickets. Grand says I to myself, some nice grub and a few pints of the black stuff during the game. So just before we entered the stadium I asked him to show me the "tickets" and they were for the Lower Cusack stand. Kin eejit got it all wrong. But it was good anyway as we were seated among Fermanagh fans and really enjoyed the craic and made do with a hot dog and a botle of coke.
Whats the feeling in the Kingdom regarding the clash with the Dubs next Saturday ?
Keane16 said:
I'm not optimistic at all but am clinging to the hope that anythinng can happen on a given day
I think Kerry are going to have to have everyone on fire next Saturday. I hear the tickets are not selling in Kerry with 14,000 being given to every county and rest out to other counties.
I'd expect Dublin to have over 30,000 at the match. I know history has always shown Westmeath to back Dublin so you can add our support base to it. Tommy Lyons will have his lads drilled for this match and there will be no room for messing on the sidelines with players being switched ASAP unlike their Westmeath Game.
If Kerry put up a show like they did in both games against Limerick I'd expect Dublin to win easy with Nerves being the only reason Kerry might get back into it.
I'd expect Dublin to have over 30,000 at the match. I know history has always shown Westmeath to back Dublin so you can add our support base to it. Tommy Lyons will have his lads drilled for this match and there will be no room for messing on the sidelines with players being switched ASAP unlike their Westmeath Game.
If Kerry put up a show like they did in both games against Limerick I'd expect Dublin to win easy with Nerves being the only reason Kerry might get back into it.
I've yet to witness Dublin beating Kerry in the championship at Croke Park apart from on telly in the 70's and cant see that changing unless of course as you say Kerry play as badly as they did against Limerick but even if that happens whats to say Dublin will bottle it again. If Dublin can play with fire in their bellies for the whole 70 mins then maybe but its a big if. Traditionally Kerry fans dont travel en masse to Croker until the final so I dont think the make up of the crowd will have a huge bearing on things.
bazalini said:
Interesting to see how the loyalties are divided in supporting the other counties. You reckon the Westmeath support will go to Dublin, and obviously the Kerry support, such as it is, will go to Westmeath. Derry and Kerry are alone.
I got my tickets first time of asking without a problem, so the old Kerry trait of only going to the final is still in evidence. That said, I hope all fans stay on and the stadium is full throughout the day - its so much better that way.
I think you may be underestimating Kerry slightly there Baz. Limerick are no pushovers, and Kerry were truly woeful in the first game, but in the second there was a marked improvement and we put up 3-15 or so against a very tough side. Its not vintage Kerry, but then again, its not vintage Limerick either, which is good for them. All winter Kerry have been smarting from the Tyrone game last year and have changed their game to toughen up in the face of the anticipated bruising games against the Nordies, therefore the old rapier like free-scoring has been compromised to account for a tougher defence and a withdrawn midfield. In short, Kerry may not chalk up huge scores, but they may be tougher to beat overall. The off-the-ball punching is a bit silly though.
Nialler said:
Muted - and that's being diplomatic about it. Its a bit early in the year for this football lark, shur 'tis only August.
Seriously, the Munster Final is a big deal, but only against Cork - and the All-Ireland Final, maybe the semi if its against someone decent. Other than that, teams are never really given 'support' as such in the way you may have seen Tyrone, Armagh, Westmeath or even Dublin at the moment.
As far as the actual game goes, people (my dad) are wary of the 'new' Kerry. They don't want them to fall between two stools - the traditional attacking entertaining team - and the new tougher grittier less appealing side. The general opinion is that Kerry are too strong going forward. Gooch and Mike coming in from the corners, both point takers, Dara puts frees over well, Fitzmaurice and Brosnan break forward from deep, O'Sullivan is the schemer, Mike Frank is a huge goal threat, and if none of that works, throw on Johnny Crowley as a target man - and he knows where the net is as well. Senan Connell and Ian Robertson are the dangermen in my view. Connell is a powerful runner and that is always hard to contain, although he often seems to literally run out of ideas as he gets closer to goal. Robertson is a smart cookie though, almost the oppposite to Connell, he'll have to be watched carefully. He's a bit of a schemer and having been recalled, he has bit to prove. Sherlock is mentioned, but he's not taken seriously I have to be honest about that. He's the big name, but easily dismissed, maybe because he is such a name and has hype attached. Personally I think he can punish you if you forget about him, but keep him out the pitch as much as possible - he's not good from distance. The only way he's a threat is if he nips ahead and wiggles under someone's arm or something like that. If the Limerick games are anything to go by, he could be in for some heavy treatment unless he behaves himself. The other side of him is that he wins a lot of frees because he is small and always looks to be just on the point of being overpowered. Also, Cluxton is viewed as vunerable, mostly because of size. Personally I think he's a good shotstopper, but if there's a bit of a melee in front of goal, he can flap around a bit and forget about his position in front of goal.
I could regret picking on those two in general as they could both have great games, and if they do Dublin will win in my view. They won't though, Sherlock will be muted, and Kerry will find the net more than once. I think Mike Frank will be the thorn in the blue sides come Satuday. Looking at Roscommon 3 goal chances, they are fodder for the likes of him.
As already stated I'm not really optimistic regarding Dublin's chances of winning.
Up front we are pretty much ok, Sherlock is playing very well and contrary to what you've said he has actually improved quite a lot with regard to kicking long range points as was evident recently against the Rossies. He has matured well as a player and is one the Kerry defence will have to watch. Brogan has shown glimpses of brilliance and if he clicks into gear could cause havoc. Robertson is quite the clever player, something Dublin have lacked in recent years, his inclusion in the starting 15 can only be described as a bonus for Tommy Lyons. Connell can be very good but can also be anonymous, Dublin need him to be good. Whelan should be played at right half forward where he can be more effective especially within point taking range. Homan and Magee will struggle at midfield, probably, tactics in this area will dictate which team has the stronger momentum and its from this point in the team all the way back to the full back line where things become muddy from Dublins point of view especially on the wings. If the Dublin backs dont improve from their woeful display against Roscommon then Dublin can forget about it because as you say, MFR and the Gooch will murder any little mistakes from the Dublin backs.
Despite my lack of optimism I'm still looking forward to the game, its a Dublin / Kerry championship match after all and hopefully it will live up to the hype. Roll on Saturday
Up front we are pretty much ok, Sherlock is playing very well and contrary to what you've said he has actually improved quite a lot with regard to kicking long range points as was evident recently against the Rossies. He has matured well as a player and is one the Kerry defence will have to watch. Brogan has shown glimpses of brilliance and if he clicks into gear could cause havoc. Robertson is quite the clever player, something Dublin have lacked in recent years, his inclusion in the starting 15 can only be described as a bonus for Tommy Lyons. Connell can be very good but can also be anonymous, Dublin need him to be good. Whelan should be played at right half forward where he can be more effective especially within point taking range. Homan and Magee will struggle at midfield, probably, tactics in this area will dictate which team has the stronger momentum and its from this point in the team all the way back to the full back line where things become muddy from Dublins point of view especially on the wings. If the Dublin backs dont improve from their woeful display against Roscommon then Dublin can forget about it because as you say, MFR and the Gooch will murder any little mistakes from the Dublin backs.
Despite my lack of optimism I'm still looking forward to the game, its a Dublin / Kerry championship match after all and hopefully it will live up to the hype. Roll on Saturday
Kerry SF team to play Dublin:
D Murphy, T O'Sullivan, M McCarthy, A O'Mahony, T Ó'Sé, E Fitzmaurice, M Ó'Sé, D Ó'Sé, P Kelly, P Galvin, D O'Sullivan, E Brosnan, C Cooper, D Ó'Cinnéide, MF Russell
Moynihan is definitely out, dont know whether this is good or bad, was kinda hoping in a perverse way that he'd play as he'd probably have been a bit ring rusty.
This Paddy Kelly guy at midfield is a bit of a shock inclusion.
Comments ?
D Murphy, T O'Sullivan, M McCarthy, A O'Mahony, T Ó'Sé, E Fitzmaurice, M Ó'Sé, D Ó'Sé, P Kelly, P Galvin, D O'Sullivan, E Brosnan, C Cooper, D Ó'Cinnéide, MF Russell
Moynihan is definitely out, dont know whether this is good or bad, was kinda hoping in a perverse way that he'd play as he'd probably have been a bit ring rusty.
This Paddy Kelly guy at midfield is a bit of a shock inclusion.
Comments ?
Enough of this bog ball talk,
what about the big clash of the ash this weekend.
what about the big clash of the ash this weekend.
Nialler said:
I heard that Moynihan is out because one of the medical people made a bollix of his treatment, Big day for Kelly. The obvious choice would have been William Kirby, maybe John Sheahan at a stretch, even Fitzmaurice to be moved and Hassett to cover, but if the kid is good enough, then let him on. One thing is for sure - if he is good enough, well find out within about 10 mins tomorrow. Can't wait for the game now to be honest. I'll aim to be seated for the second half of the Westmeath game, just to give them a boost if they need it.
Thats the kind of power I have
Take a good hard long look at that full forward line Nialler.
Iarmhi abuuuuuuuuuu.
Paidi'd army
Paidi'd army
well that was a great day.
Hopped of by the Rebels and Chelsea
Hopped of by the Rebels and Chelsea
Keane16 said:
Cooper in particular
Well done Kerry
Well That's me.
Have not being able to look at a news paper. I feel like I have lost a long term girlfriend.
Have not being able to look at a news paper. I feel like I have lost a long term girlfriend.
bazalini said:
at least your lads made a game of it whereas Dublin were total shite, all that possesion in the first half and all they score was 5 lousy points and then they kin capitulated in the second half after Kerry scored the goal.
Westmeath will be back again next year once Paidi stays at the helm. At least yis are still on an upward curve and have made the breakthrough.
First half was very peculiar. Kerry insisted on playing long high balls into MFR and Gooch, even though its patently obvious their strengths lie elsewhere. That was sorted out after half time, and the transformation was complete when MFR and Paddy Kelly went off, Declan O'Sullivan went out on the left (in as much as he ever stays where he is put) and Willie Kirby and Liam Hassett came on to finish Dublin. First 10-15 mins of the second half was the key. Kerry only had two goal chances in the whole match, one was scored, the other was a great save by Cluxton. Compare with Dublin.
Dublin were wasteful, we know that. Sherlock played exactly as I though and should have had a goal in the first half instead of the charity effort he put in at the end. Without that goal to put on the board, it would have been a royal hammering.
No belief in the Dublin team. As soon as Ciarrai began to turns their minds towards winning the game and going home, Dublin seemed to view think that they may as well watch them do it.
In the end, we won, but it was facile enough and proves nothing really. Derry will be a much tougher game.
What about Mayo v. Fermanagh then lads.
this thread is boring
and completely irrelevant
to you
Have we no Derry, Fermanagh or Mayo posters on the forum?
Incidentally Nialler, what are your thoughts on a new Dublin manager? Val Andrews, Brian Talty, Keith Barr, John O'Mahoney, Brian Mullins - or continue with Tommy Lyons.
I hear Mick O'Dwyer is even an outside bet, that would be something.
Keane16 said:
had a chat about this with my brother the other day, he was trying to talk up the likes of Keith Barr or Dessie Farrell which I thought was laughable to say the least. We need someone with experience, someone authoritive, someone from outside Dublin if there are no suitable candidates from within and any of those you list above with the exception of Tommy Lyons would fit the bill. Personally I'd go for O'Mahoney or maybe Mullins. I heard the great Jimmy Keaveney give a big up for Gerry McCaul who managed the team previously in the 80's and was very unlucky to come up against a great Meath team back then. Lyons has had his day, hard luck to him but his chance has come and gone I'm afraid. We need a manager who can instill confidence in the forward line, put belief in their bellies and try to keep as unchanged a team as possible and not try to turn forwards into backs and vice versa a la Lyons. Last Saturday was soul destroying for Dublin football fans, not the result but the way they went out with a whimper. We basically need a man who can put the swagger back into Dublin football, something that has been missing for a long time.
The manager has to be a man who will commit fully to Dublin. A man who will hunt out new talent instead of only picking players from his previous club. I dont know who should get the job but Lyons is gone in my mind and so is most of that Dublin team who played with no heart against kerry!