The 4-Way Draft

Gio said:
Pat has to wrestle with the age-old Argentine XI problem of too many 10s. Good stuff.
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This team has turned out way different from my vague initial plan. When I chose Argentina I was gambling on getting close to a Zanetti/Ruggeri/Passarella/Marzolini back four. Inter hadn't been chosen whenever I chose Argentina so 2mufc0 would have been my only rival for Passarella, and I would have had Zanetti if I hadn't disappeared offline for a few days with some personal strife.

There wasn't much depth in defence beyond that brilliant first choice four so I've went for something completely different. I'm realy enjoying reading up on some of these old players, and I'm finally getting a bit of mileage from my subscription to The Blizzard :lol:.
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
It's fine that way.

Everyone just populating their unique players makes this chaotic. Most drafts happen at uniform pace and this doesn't make the process any better. PM should have the same impact.
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Aye, as a rule I agree with you but with Crappy giving the nod to carry on and us getting so close to the end I suppose there's no harm in firing on with the picks.
 
Pat_Mustard said:
Aye, as a rule I agree with you but with Crappy giving the nod to carry on and us getting so close to the end I suppose there's no harm in firing on with the picks.
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I think he meant before crappy posted that because everyone just decided to throw their picks in randomly

Three teams who pick after crappy, and I think at least two are after me...already posted picks and completed their team

Or had picks posted, should I say. They did the right thing in PM'ing
 
  1. Oeancha (1971-76) - 1. Z. Zidane 2. R. Giggs 3. D. Beckham 4. R. Keane 5. F. Cannavaro 6. D. Albertini 7. R. van Nistelrooy 8. A. Del Piero 9. C. Panucci 10. F. Totti 11. Sergi 12. S. Hyypiä 13. J.S. Verón
  2. Moby (BRA) - 1. L. Ronaldo 2. Ronaldinho 3. P. R. Falcâo 4. Didi 5. Nilton Santos 6. D. Alves 7. D. Da Guia 8. T. Silva 9. Zizinho 10. T. Cerezo 11. L. Junior 12. Julinho 13. Socrates
  3. Šjor (Ancel|Lattek) - 1. D. Maradona 2. Cafu 3. P. Maldini 4. E. Davids 5. A. Brehme 6. A. Shevchenko 7. C. Ferrara 8. G. Buffon 9. U. Stielike 10. A. Vidal 11. J. Heynckes 12. T. Muller 13. Deco
  4. Pat (ARG) - 1. L. Messi 2. S. Marzolini 3. O. Ruggeri 4. R. Ayala 5. D. Simeone 6. G. Batistuta 7. L. Monti 8. U. Fillol 9. J.M. Moreno 10. A. Sastre 11. A. Pedernera 12. F. Loustau 13. O. Corbatta
  5. 2mufc0 (Trap|Capello) -1. L. Matthäus 2. M. Platini 3. M. Van Basten 4. P. Nedved 5. J. Kohler 6. G. Gattuso 7. G. Rivera 8. A. Pirlo 9. S. Reuter 10. O. Kahn 11. C. Gentile 12. Z. Boniek 13. A. Cabrini
  6. Tuppet (BRA) - 1. Pele 2. Garrincha 3. Rivelino 4. Zico 5. Gerson 6. D. Santos 7. Zito 8. Neymar 9. Lucio 10. Gilmar 11. Branco 12. Leonidas 13. L. Pereira
  7. Paz/green_smiley (Fergie|Pep) - 1. C. Ronaldo 2. A. Iniesta 3. C. Puyol 4. T. Henry 5. Xavi 6. X. Alonso 7. E. Abidal 8. E. Cantona 9. N. Vidic 10. P. Lahm 11. P. Schmeichel 12. D. Alaba 13. Z. Ibrahimovic
  8. Enigma_87 (1940-45) - 1. F. Beckenbauer 2. C. Alberto 3. G. Facchetti 4. Jairzinho 5. W. van Hanegem 6. G. Netzer 7. S. Maier 8. P. Keizer 9. N. Stiles 10. Eusébio 11. D. Law 12. Chumpitaz 13. Bremner
  9. Onenil (ENG) - 1. B. Moore 2. R. Ferdinand 3. B. Robson 4. J. Greaves 5. A. Cole 6. G. Neville 7. B. Charlton 8. K. Keegan 9. G. Banks 10. J. Barnes 11. S. Matthews 12. T. Finney 13. Shearer 14. D. Edwards---- COMPLETE
  10. Ecstatic (1945-50) - 1. J. Cruyff 2. B. Vogts 3. R. Krol 4. Pirri 5. W. Jansen 6. Clodoaldo 7. A. Haan 8. Tostão 9. L. Mazurkiewicz 10. M. Trésor 11. T. Cubillas 12. E. Figueroa 13. Lato 14. G. Best---- COMPLETE
  11. Skizzo (Barca) - 1. J. Neeskens 2. Romario 3. M. Laudrup 4. L. Thuram 5. L. Suarez Miramontes 6. R. Koeman 7. H. Stoichkov 8. L. Enrique 9. J. Bakero 10. J. Segarra 11. A. Zubizarreta 12. Migueli 13. L. Blanc
  12. idmanager (I.Milan) - 1. L. Figo 2. D. Passarella 3. R. Carlos 4. R. Baggio 5. G. Meazza 6. M. Tardelli 7. S. Eto'o 8. G. Bergomi 9. Maicon 10. W. Zenga 11. T. Burgnich 12. M. Sammer 13. S. Mazzola 14. H. Szymaniak ---- COMPLETE
  13. Crappy (Lattek|Rinus) - 1. F. Rijkaard 2. G. Muller 3. P. Breitner 4. K-H Rummenigge 5. B. Schuster 6. H-G Schwarzenbeck 7. K. Augenthaler 8. S. Lerby 9. R. Rensenbrink 10. W. Suurbier 11. J.M Pfaff 12. Littbarski
  14. Raees (AC Milan) - 1. F. Redondo 2. F. Baresi 3. R. Gullit 4. M. Desailly 5. J. Stam 6. Kaka 7. M. Essien 8. G. Zambrotta 9. D. Savicevic 10. E. Gerets 11. G. Nordahl 12. K.H Schnellinger 13. J. Schiffiano 14. L. Buffon-----COMPLETE
  15. Physiocrat (1971-76) - 1. A. Nesta 2. P. Scholes 3. J. Zanetti 4. Rivaldo 5. P. Vieira 6. C. Vieri 7. S. Campbell 8. M. Overmars 9. V. Candela 10. F. Toldo 11. R. Costa 12. Ballack 13. J. Litmanen 14. C. Lopez---- COMPLETE
  16. P-Nut0712 (R.Madrid) - 1. A. Di Stefano 2. C. Seedorf 3. Marcelo 4. C. Makelele 5. F. Hierro 6. I. Casillas 7. A. Robben 8. D. Carvajal 9. F. Puskas 10. Gento 11. J. Santamaria 12. Camacho 13. Modric 14. Ramos ---- COMPLETE
 
It's @Skizzo turn, crappy said to carry on, so let's get on with it.
 
Skizzo said:
I think he meant before crappy posted that because everyone just decided to throw their picks in randomly

Three teams who pick after crappy, and I think at least two are after me...already posted picks and completed their team

Or had picks posted, should I say. They did the right thing in PM'ing
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Fair dos. I've lost all track of what's going on TBH!
 
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  1. Oeancha (1971-76) - 1. Z. Zidane 2. R. Giggs 3. D. Beckham 4. R. Keane 5. F. Cannavaro 6. D. Albertini 7. R. van Nistelrooy 8. A. Del Piero 9. C. Panucci 10. F. Totti 11. Sergi 12. S. Hyypiä 13. J.S. Verón
  2. Moby (BRA) - 1. L. Ronaldo 2. Ronaldinho 3. P. R. Falcâo 4. Didi 5. Nilton Santos 6. D. Alves 7. D. Da Guia 8. T. Silva 9. Zizinho 10. T. Cerezo 11. L. Junior 12. Julinho 13. Socrates
  3. Šjor (Ancel|Lattek) - 1. D. Maradona 2. Cafu 3. P. Maldini 4. E. Davids 5. A. Brehme 6. A. Shevchenko 7. C. Ferrara 8. G. Buffon 9. U. Stielike 10. A. Vidal 11. J. Heynckes 12. T. Muller 13. Deco
  4. Pat (ARG) - 1. L. Messi 2. S. Marzolini 3. O. Ruggeri 4. R. Ayala 5. D. Simeone 6. G. Batistuta 7. L. Monti 8. U. Fillol 9. J.M. Moreno 10. A. Sastre 11. A. Pedernera 12. F. Loustau 13. O. Corbatta
  5. 2mufc0 (Trap|Capello) -1. L. Matthäus 2. M. Platini 3. M. Van Basten 4. P. Nedved 5. J. Kohler 6. G. Gattuso 7. G. Rivera 8. A. Pirlo 9. S. Reuter 10. O. Kahn 11. C. Gentile 12. Z. Boniek 13. A. Cabrini
  6. Tuppet (BRA) - 1. Pele 2. Garrincha 3. Rivelino 4. Zico 5. Gerson 6. D. Santos 7. Zito 8. Neymar 9. Lucio 10. Gilmar 11. Branco 12. Leonidas 13. L. Pereira
  7. Paz/green_smiley (Fergie|Pep) - 1. C. Ronaldo 2. A. Iniesta 3. C. Puyol 4. T. Henry 5. Xavi 6. X. Alonso 7. E. Abidal 8. E. Cantona 9. N. Vidic 10. P. Lahm 11. P. Schmeichel 12. D. Alaba 13. Z. Ibrahimovic
  8. Enigma_87 (1940-45) - 1. F. Beckenbauer 2. C. Alberto 3. G. Facchetti 4. Jairzinho 5. W. van Hanegem 6. G. Netzer 7. S. Maier 8. P. Keizer 9. N. Stiles 10. Eusébio 11. D. Law 12. Chumpitaz 13. Bremner
  9. Onenil (ENG) - 1. B. Moore 2. R. Ferdinand 3. B. Robson 4. J. Greaves 5. A. Cole 6. G. Neville 7. B. Charlton 8. K. Keegan 9. G. Banks 10. J. Barnes 11. S. Matthews 12. T. Finney 13. Shearer 14. D. Edwards---- COMPLETE
  10. Ecstatic (1945-50) - 1. J. Cruyff 2. B. Vogts 3. R. Krol 4. Pirri 5. W. Jansen 6. Clodoaldo 7. A. Haan 8. Tostão 9. L. Mazurkiewicz 10. M. Trésor 11. T. Cubillas 12. E. Figueroa 13. Lato 14. G. Best---- COMPLETE
  11. Skizzo (Barca) - 1. J. Neeskens 2. Romario 3. M. Laudrup 4. L. Thuram 5. L. Suarez Miramontes 6. R. Koeman 7. H. Stoichkov 8. L. Enrique 9. J. Bakero 10. J. Segarra 11. A. Zubizarreta 12. Migueli 13. L. Blanc 14. L.Kubala --- COMPLETE
  12. idmanager (I.Milan) - 1. L. Figo 2. D. Passarella 3. R. Carlos 4. R. Baggio 5. G. Meazza 6. M. Tardelli 7. S. Eto'o 8. G. Bergomi 9. Maicon 10. W. Zenga 11. T. Burgnich 12. M. Sammer 13. S. Mazzola 14. H. Szymaniak ---- COMPLETE
  13. Crappy (Lattek|Rinus) - 1. F. Rijkaard 2. G. Muller 3. P. Breitner 4. K-H Rummenigge 5. B. Schuster 6. H-G Schwarzenbeck 7. K. Augenthaler 8. S. Lerby 9. R. Rensenbrink 10. W. Suurbier 11. J.M Pfaff 12. Littbarski
  14. Raees (AC Milan) - 1. F. Redondo 2. F. Baresi 3. R. Gullit 4. M. Desailly 5. J. Stam 6. Kaka 7. M. Essien 8. G. Zambrotta 9. D. Savicevic 10. E. Gerets 11. G. Nordahl 12. K.H Schnellinger 13. J. Schiffiano 14. L. Buffon-----COMPLETE
  15. Physiocrat (1971-76) - 1. A. Nesta 2. P. Scholes 3. J. Zanetti 4. Rivaldo 5. P. Vieira 6. C. Vieri 7. S. Campbell 8. M. Overmars 9. V. Candela 10. F. Toldo 11. R. Costa 12. Ballack 13. J. Litmanen 14. C. Lopez---- COMPLETE
  16. P-Nut0712 (R.Madrid) - 1. A. Di Stefano 2. C. Seedorf 3. Marcelo 4. C. Makelele 5. F. Hierro 6. I. Casillas 7. A. Robben 8. D. Carvajal 9. F. Puskas 10. Gento 11. J. Santamaria 12. Camacho 13. Modric 14. Ramos ---- COMPLETE
@crappycraperson @Enigma_87
 
  1. Oeancha (1971-76) - 1. Z. Zidane 2. R. Giggs 3. D. Beckham 4. R. Keane 5. F. Cannavaro 6. D. Albertini 7. R. van Nistelrooy 8. A. Del Piero 9. C. Panucci 10. F. Totti 11. Sergi 12. S. Hyypiä 13. J.S. Verón
  2. Moby (BRA) - 1. L. Ronaldo 2. Ronaldinho 3. P. R. Falcâo 4. Didi 5. Nilton Santos 6. D. Alves 7. D. Da Guia 8. T. Silva 9. Zizinho 10. T. Cerezo 11. L. Junior 12. Julinho 13. Socrates
  3. Šjor (Ancel|Lattek) - 1. D. Maradona 2. Cafu 3. P. Maldini 4. E. Davids 5. A. Brehme 6. A. Shevchenko 7. C. Ferrara 8. G. Buffon 9. U. Stielike 10. A. Vidal 11. J. Heynckes 12. T. Muller 13. Deco
  4. Pat (ARG) - 1. L. Messi 2. S. Marzolini 3. O. Ruggeri 4. R. Ayala 5. D. Simeone 6. G. Batistuta 7. L. Monti 8. U. Fillol 9. J.M. Moreno 10. A. Sastre 11. A. Pedernera 12. F. Loustau 13. O. Corbatta
  5. 2mufc0 (Trap|Capello) -1. L. Matthäus 2. M. Platini 3. M. Van Basten 4. P. Nedved 5. J. Kohler 6. G. Gattuso 7. G. Rivera 8. A. Pirlo 9. S. Reuter 10. O. Kahn 11. C. Gentile 12. Z. Boniek 13. A. Cabrini
  6. Tuppet (BRA) - 1. Pele 2. Garrincha 3. Rivelino 4. Zico 5. Gerson 6. D. Santos 7. Zito 8. Neymar 9. Lucio 10. Gilmar 11. Branco 12. Leonidas 13. L. Pereira
  7. Paz/green_smiley (Fergie|Pep) - 1. C. Ronaldo 2. A. Iniesta 3. C. Puyol 4. T. Henry 5. Xavi 6. X. Alonso 7. E. Abidal 8. E. Cantona 9. N. Vidic 10. P. Lahm 11. P. Schmeichel 12. D. Alaba 13. Z. Ibrahimovic
  8. Enigma_87 (1940-45) - 1. F. Beckenbauer 2. C. Alberto 3. G. Facchetti 4. Jairzinho 5. W. van Hanegem 6. G. Netzer 7. S. Maier 8. P. Keizer 9. N. Stiles 10. Eusébio 11. D. Law 12. Chumpitaz 13. Bremner 14. SHESTERNYOV ---- COMPLETE
  9. Onenil (ENG) - 1. B. Moore 2. R. Ferdinand 3. B. Robson 4. J. Greaves 5. A. Cole 6. G. Neville 7. B. Charlton 8. K. Keegan 9. G. Banks 10. J. Barnes 11. S. Matthews 12. T. Finney 13. Shearer 14. D. Edwards---- COMPLETE
  10. Ecstatic (1945-50) - 1. J. Cruyff 2. B. Vogts 3. R. Krol 4. Pirri 5. W. Jansen 6. Clodoaldo 7. A. Haan 8. Tostão 9. L. Mazurkiewicz 10. M. Trésor 11. T. Cubillas 12. E. Figueroa 13. Lato 14. G. Best---- COMPLETE
  11. Skizzo (Barca) - 1. J. Neeskens 2. Romario 3. M. Laudrup 4. L. Thuram 5. L. Suarez Miramontes 6. R. Koeman 7. H. Stoichkov 8. L. Enrique 9. J. Bakero 10. J. Segarra 11. A. Zubizarreta 12. Migueli 13. L. Blanc 14. L.Kubala --- COMPLETE
  12. idmanager (I.Milan) - 1. L. Figo 2. D. Passarella 3. R. Carlos 4. R. Baggio 5. G. Meazza 6. M. Tardelli 7. S. Eto'o 8. G. Bergomi 9. Maicon 10. W. Zenga 11. T. Burgnich 12. M. Sammer 13. S. Mazzola 14. H. Szymaniak ---- COMPLETE
  13. Crappy (Lattek|Rinus) - 1. F. Rijkaard 2. G. Muller 3. P. Breitner 4. K-H Rummenigge 5. B. Schuster 6. H-G Schwarzenbeck 7. K. Augenthaler 8. S. Lerby 9. R. Rensenbrink 10. W. Suurbier 11. J.M Pfaff 12. Littbarski
  14. Raees (AC Milan) - 1. F. Redondo 2. F. Baresi 3. R. Gullit 4. M. Desailly 5. J. Stam 6. Kaka 7. M. Essien 8. G. Zambrotta 9. D. Savicevic 10. E. Gerets 11. G. Nordahl 12. K.H Schnellinger 13. J. Schiffiano 14. L. Buffon-----COMPLETE
  15. Physiocrat (1971-76) - 1. A. Nesta 2. P. Scholes 3. J. Zanetti 4. Rivaldo 5. P. Vieira 6. C. Vieri 7. S. Campbell 8. M. Overmars 9. V. Candela 10. F. Toldo 11. R. Costa 12. Ballack 13. J. Litmanen 14. C. Lopez---- COMPLETE
  16. P-Nut0712 (R.Madrid) - 1. A. Di Stefano 2. C. Seedorf 3. Marcelo 4. C. Makelele 5. F. Hierro 6. I. Casillas 7. A. Robben 8. D. Carvajal 9. F. Puskas 10. Gento 11. J. Santamaria 12. Camacho 13. Modric 14. Ramos ---- COMPLETE
 
  1. Oeancha (1971-76) - 1. Z. Zidane 2. R. Giggs 3. D. Beckham 4. R. Keane 5. F. Cannavaro 6. D. Albertini 7. R. van Nistelrooy 8. A. Del Piero 9. C. Panucci 10. F. Totti 11. Sergi 12. S. Hyypiä 13. J.S. Verón
  2. Moby (BRA) - 1. L. Ronaldo 2. Ronaldinho 3. P. R. Falcâo 4. Didi 5. Nilton Santos 6. D. Alves 7. D. Da Guia 8. T. Silva 9. Zizinho 10. T. Cerezo 11. L. Junior 12. Julinho 13. Socrates
  3. Šjor (Ancel|Lattek) - 1. D. Maradona 2. Cafu 3. P. Maldini 4. E. Davids 5. A. Brehme 6. A. Shevchenko 7. C. Ferrara 8. G. Buffon 9. U. Stielike 10. A. Vidal 11. J. Heynckes 12. T. Muller 13. Deco
  4. Pat (ARG) - 1. L. Messi 2. S. Marzolini 3. O. Ruggeri 4. R. Ayala 5. D. Simeone 6. G. Batistuta 7. L. Monti 8. U. Fillol 9. J.M. Moreno 10. A. Sastre 11. A. Pedernera 12. F. Loustau 13. O. Corbatta
  5. 2mufc0 (Trap|Capello) -1. L. Matthäus 2. M. Platini 3. M. Van Basten 4. P. Nedved 5. J. Kohler 6. G. Gattuso 7. G. Rivera 8. A. Pirlo 9. S. Reuter 10. O. Kahn 11. C. Gentile 12. Z. Boniek 13. A. Cabrini
  6. Tuppet (BRA) - 1. Pele 2. Garrincha 3. Rivelino 4. Zico 5. Gerson 6. D. Santos 7. Zito 8. Neymar 9. Lucio 10. Gilmar 11. Branco 12. Leonidas 13. L. Pereira
  7. Paz/green_smiley (Fergie|Pep) - 1. C. Ronaldo 2. A. Iniesta 3. C. Puyol 4. T. Henry 5. Xavi 6. X. Alonso 7. E. Abidal 8. E. Cantona 9. N. Vidic 10. P. Lahm 11. P. Schmeichel 12. D. Alaba 13. Z. Ibrahimovic 14. T. Kroos ---- COMPLETE
  8. Enigma_87 (1940-45) - 1. F. Beckenbauer 2. C. Alberto 3. G. Facchetti 4. Jairzinho 5. W. van Hanegem 6. G. Netzer 7. S. Maier 8. P. Keizer 9. N. Stiles 10. Eusébio 11. D. Law 12. Chumpitaz 13. Bremner 14. SHESTERNYOV ---- COMPLETE
  9. Onenil (ENG) - 1. B. Moore 2. R. Ferdinand 3. B. Robson 4. J. Greaves 5. A. Cole 6. G. Neville 7. B. Charlton 8. K. Keegan 9. G. Banks 10. J. Barnes 11. S. Matthews 12. T. Finney 13. Shearer 14. D. Edwards ---- COMPLETE
  10. Ecstatic (1945-50) - 1. J. Cruyff 2. B. Vogts 3. R. Krol 4. Pirri 5. W. Jansen 6. Clodoaldo 7. A. Haan 8. Tostão 9. L. Mazurkiewicz 10. M. Trésor 11. T. Cubillas 12. E. Figueroa 13. Lato 14. G. Best ---- COMPLETE
  11. Skizzo (Barca) - 1. J. Neeskens 2. Romario 3. M. Laudrup 4. L. Thuram 5. L. Suarez Miramontes 6. R. Koeman 7. H. Stoichkov 8. L. Enrique 9. J. Bakero 10. J. Segarra 11. A. Zubizarreta 12. Migueli 13. L. Blanc 14. L.Kubala --- COMPLETE
  12. idmanager (I.Milan) - 1. L. Figo 2. D. Passarella 3. R. Carlos 4. R. Baggio 5. G. Meazza 6. M. Tardelli 7. S. Eto'o 8. G. Bergomi 9. Maicon 10. W. Zenga 11. T. Burgnich 12. M. Sammer 13. S. Mazzola 14. H. Szymaniak ---- COMPLETE
  13. Crappy (Lattek|Rinus) - 1. F. Rijkaard 2. G. Muller 3. P. Breitner 4. K-H Rummenigge 5. B. Schuster 6. H-G Schwarzenbeck 7. K. Augenthaler 8. S. Lerby 9. R. Rensenbrink 10. W. Suurbier 11. J.M Pfaff 12. Littbarski
  14. Raees (AC Milan) - 1. F. Redondo 2. F. Baresi 3. R. Gullit 4. M. Desailly 5. J. Stam 6. Kaka 7. M. Essien 8. G. Zambrotta 9. D. Savicevic 10. E. Gerets 11. G. Nordahl 12. K.H Schnellinger 13. J. Schiffiano 14. L. Buffon -----COMPLETE
  15. Physiocrat (1971-76) - 1. A. Nesta 2. P. Scholes 3. J. Zanetti 4. Rivaldo 5. P. Vieira 6. C. Vieri 7. S. Campbell 8. M. Overmars 9. V. Candela 10. F. Toldo 11. R. Costa 12. Ballack 13. J. Litmanen 14. C. Lopez ---- COMPLETE
  16. P-Nut0712 (R.Madrid) - 1. A. Di Stefano 2. C. Seedorf 3. Marcelo 4. C. Makelele 5. F. Hierro 6. I. Casillas 7. A. Robben 8. D. Carvajal 9. F. Puskas 10. Gento 11. J. Santamaria 12. Camacho 13. Modric 14. Ramos ---- COMPLETE
@Tuppet
 
Ecstatic said:
If I focus on the names you have provided.

The consistent scorers over a long period of time were:

Néné was really a superb player with great stats while operating as a left-wing forward and not as a CF. Bad relationships with Ancelotti, so he was sent to Qatar at the age of 32
Pauleta is the #2 top scorer in the history of the Portugal NT with 47 goals
Ben Yedder scored an average of 17 goals (all competitions) per season between 2012 and 2016... against 18 (all competitions) for Sevilla last season.

Others

El- Arabi: similar stats with Caen and Granada. He left Spain to play in the Middle-East
Niang and Sow left the French league to earn more money in Turkey: hard to guess if they had the required level to shine in England
Gignac left the French league to join Mexico
Cissé was a beast but some severe injuries and a limited "footballing IQ"
Cvitanich has never been a big star in France: he played for Nice and his peak has lasted 12 months
Chamakh has never been a top scorer in France: a collective CF whose main asset was his aerial play and whose stats were rather average (10 goals per season) and boosted by his teammates. Question mark about the professionalism of a Chamakh



Cavani was the top scorer of the Serie A with Napoli. He is currently the top scorer in 2018 World Cup Qualifying - South America. I'm sure he would be a top scorer in England...

Let's look at the top scorers in the last 4 seasons

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As you can see, 3 players have great stats and Lacazette is starting well with Arsenal. It isn't so easy to score goals in France because the teams are very conservative.

If you message is just to say the French league is ***, you just need to say the European performances are poor.
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Thanks for taking the time to reply.

I wasn't just aimlessly attacking Ligue 1; I actually quite like French football. Gazelec Ajaccio won me a massive amount of money thanks to that cup run a few years back and I started following them on the side.

I don't think the French leagues are very strong but they have produced some very talented players and I still enjoy watching matches.

My original point was that Neymar is too good for the league. He is a couple of levels above everyone else and he is going to make the league look worse than it really is.
 
22nd March, 2015 – a night when the Catalan locals will be treated to a true footballing spectacle. It will be a night when two of the most expensive squads in Spanish football history will go head-to-head in Barcelona.

A night when a new chapter will presumably be added to the Messi-Ronaldo saga, as new superstars like Luis Suarez and James Rodriguez will also look to leave a lasting impression on a rivalry that goes back more than 100 years.

And yet, the Catalan locals won’t be resting all the burden of their expectations on the cast that will be performing at the Nou Camp. Instead, ahead of probably the biggest El Clasico kick-off in recent times, they will visit the Les Corts cemetery to conduct their annual rituals. They will all gather around a famous family graveyard plot with their customary bouquets, red-yellow Catalan ribbons and heartfelt prayers, hoping for a miracle.

It will be almost 64 years since he last played for them, and it will be more than 13 years since he passed, but as he rests in the grave, they still believe he can deliver on the biggest night.

They still expect nothing but victory from Laszlo Kubala.

Kubala came from a humble Hungarian upbringing, and his childhood had nothing to show for it apart from the scars of Communism. Yet, football was a source of unadulterated joy in his youth and a way of freedom in his adulthood. He faked his date of birth to register himself in the local football team as the game remained his way out from the depressing political state of the nation.

His personal bouts with the Communist state later also saw him being separated from his family as he wandered around Europe in search of football and most importantly, a home.

When he finally decided to join Barcelona in 1950 with an impending FIFA ban, having been called a Hungarian ‘deserter,’ he cut all ties with his home nation. It was a case of the Catalans adopting him as their light of hope on the football field in the post civil war era against ‘Franco’s team’, an understanding that soon became a relationship built on love and mutual respect.

He was Catalonia’s answer to the on-field tantrums thrown by the authority, a player that brought those glittering trophies and memories that marked the most prolific decade in Barcelona’s footballing history.

No wonder he was voted as the greatest Barcelona player of the century by the Catalans – the undisputed fans’ player of the club. Even Messi in the current era, with all his personal awards and team accolades, will never be able to claim that honour.

"No one had seen anyone curl a ball over the wall before. Kubala did it.”

The Kubala ‘curl’


Back in the early 1950s, when most of the Spanish clubs were keen to import tactical know-how from the British isles, Kubala was clearly ahead of his times. He emphasized the importance of getting pre-match opposition scouting reports done, of tactical preparation, of innovation in set-piece methods and more. He expected Barcelona to evolve their training methods, and wanted the team to grow along with him.

And the plans came to fruition sooner than anyone expected at the club.

The crowds got to witness football of their dreams. Suddenly, set-pieces weren’t just a routine stoppage of play but a goal-scoring opportunity, while shooting from the penalty spot became impossible to miss. Spanish football had changed for good and Kubala was at the core of the revolution on the pitch.

While we’re spoilt by the routine free-kick marvels of Andrea Pirlo, Cristiano Ronaldo, David Beckham and Lionel Messi, it is hard to imagine that nobody had seen a ball curled over the wall, into the top corner from 30 yards before Kubala did it. Nobody saw him missing a penalty either.

All of that was down to his technical prowess and above all, his ability to grasp as much as possible, being a keen student of the game.

"He was our Messi”


In fact, if the 5-time La Liga winner and Barcelona legend Josep Seguer is to be believed, Kubala was even greater than Messi. The Hungarian, with his imposing physique and unrivalled bursts of energy on the pitch, could have played in any position on the pitch and still made an impact on the end result. Kubala was a true two-footed forward, but that did not stop him from being equally efficient as a No. 6, No. 8 or even a No. 10 in the side.

While in the modern age coaches have generally attempted to build a team around the likes of Messi and Ronaldinho, Kubala believed in filling the crucial gaps on the pitch in order to get the right results for his team.

And talking about results, there wasn’t a single trophy that he did not add to the cabinet in his 10 years at the club. In his second season at the club, he won every honour that was up for grabs. That was the most successful season in the club’s history and is remembered as the Cinc Copes (the 5 Cups – League, domestic cup, Copa Duarte, Copa Martini and Rossi and Duward Cup) of Barcelona. They also added Copa Latina – played between the best clubs of France, Italy, Portugal and Spain – in the same season to make it six trophies for the season.

It was a season that also prompted the Catalan fans to come up with one of the most memorable chants of the 50s – "There are six things that shine more than the sun – Barcelona's five cups and the s**t that is Espanol.”

"I remember the report: no apto para el deporte – not fit for sports.”

In October 1952, Kubala was diagnosed with tuberculosis and was forced to retire from the game. The fighter that he was, Kubala did not rest but instead decided to test his endurance by training at high altitudes.

What Barcelona witnessed next was nothing less than a miracle. Kubala, now fully recovered from the disease, made a comeback in February 1953 to pick the out-of-sorts Barcelona side from 4th place to a league and domestic cup double.

The team got their leader back in the side, while the fans discovered his superhuman abilities that would make a permanent mark in Catalan folklore.

It is fair to say that a comparison between two contrasting profiles such as Messi and Kubala could get seriously convoluted, largely because of the two having played the game in completely different eras.

Due to limited number of games in the 1950s, Kubala never played a league season longer than 25 games, a number that is unfair to even be mentioned in the same breath as the 38-game seasons that Messi has been playing during his Barcelona career. The Hungarian could only finish with 256 appearances and 194 goals in his 10 years at the club – still the third highest goals tally at the club. That should be considered as a remarkable achievement.

With 14 major team honours to his name including four league triumphs, five domestic cup wins and three European trophies, Kubala does surpass Messi’s haul of five leagues, three cups and three European honours at the club.

Kubala also remains the first man to have scored seven goals in a La Liga game and the highest scorer in a domestic cup season, and is the who lead Barcelona to a five-trophy season in 1951-52. Add that to the fact that he was the most adored player in Catalan history, and you have a true club legend in Laszlo Kubala – the only foreign player to have adopted Catalonian culture and made it a part of his own.

Messi can go on and add a few more league and European wins and top it with a World Cup and maybe some more Ballon d’Ors too. He may end up being the greatest of them all – ahead of Pele, Maradona, Best and Cruyff. He may end up being wearing the crown of the greatest footballer of all time.

But he will never be the best player Camp Nou ever saw. And that is not his fault.
 
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  1. Oeancha (1971-76) - 1. Z. Zidane 2. R. Giggs 3. D. Beckham 4. R. Keane 5. F. Cannavaro 6. D. Albertini 7. R. van Nistelrooy 8. A. Del Piero 9. C. Panucci 10. F. Totti 11. Sergi 12. S. Hyypiä 13. J.S. Verón
  2. Moby (BRA) - 1. L. Ronaldo 2. Ronaldinho 3. P. R. Falcâo 4. Didi 5. Nilton Santos 6. D. Alves 7. D. Da Guia 8. T. Silva 9. Zizinho 10. T. Cerezo 11. L. Junior 12. Julinho 13. Socrates
  3. Šjor (Ancel|Lattek) - 1. D. Maradona 2. Cafu 3. P. Maldini 4. E. Davids 5. A. Brehme 6. A. Shevchenko 7. C. Ferrara 8. G. Buffon 9. U. Stielike 10. A. Vidal 11. J. Heynckes 12. T. Muller 13. Deco
  4. Pat (ARG) - 1. L. Messi 2. S. Marzolini 3. O. Ruggeri 4. R. Ayala 5. D. Simeone 6. G. Batistuta 7. L. Monti 8. U. Fillol 9. J.M. Moreno 10. A. Sastre 11. A. Pedernera 12. F. Loustau 13. O. Corbatta
  5. 2mufc0 (Trap|Capello) -1. L. Matthäus 2. M. Platini 3. M. Van Basten 4. P. Nedved 5. J. Kohler 6. G. Gattuso 7. G. Rivera 8. A. Pirlo 9. S. Reuter 10. O. Kahn 11. C. Gentile 12. Z. Boniek 13. A. Cabrini
  6. Tuppet (BRA) - 1. Pele 2. Garrincha 3. Rivelino 4. Zico 5. Gerson 6. D. Santos 7. Zito 8. Neymar 9. Lucio 10. Gilmar 11. Branco 12. Leonidas 13. L. Pereira 14. Dunga ---- COMPLETE
  7. Paz/green_smiley (Fergie|Pep) - 1. C. Ronaldo 2. A. Iniesta 3. C. Puyol 4. T. Henry 5. Xavi 6. X. Alonso 7. E. Abidal 8. E. Cantona 9. N. Vidic 10. P. Lahm 11. P. Schmeichel 12. D. Alaba 13. Z. Ibrahimovic 14. T. Kroos ---- COMPLETE
  8. Enigma_87 (1940-45) - 1. F. Beckenbauer 2. C. Alberto 3. G. Facchetti 4. Jairzinho 5. W. van Hanegem 6. G. Netzer 7. S. Maier 8. P. Keizer 9. N. Stiles 10. Eusébio 11. D. Law 12. Chumpitaz 13. Bremner 14. SHESTERNYOV ---- COMPLETE
  9. Onenil (ENG) - 1. B. Moore 2. R. Ferdinand 3. B. Robson 4. J. Greaves 5. A. Cole 6. G. Neville 7. B. Charlton 8. K. Keegan 9. G. Banks 10. J. Barnes 11. S. Matthews 12. T. Finney 13. Shearer 14. D. Edwards ---- COMPLETE
  10. Ecstatic (1945-50) - 1. J. Cruyff 2. B. Vogts 3. R. Krol 4. Pirri 5. W. Jansen 6. Clodoaldo 7. A. Haan 8. Tostão 9. L. Mazurkiewicz 10. M. Trésor 11. T. Cubillas 12. E. Figueroa 13. Lato 14. G. Best ---- COMPLETE
  11. Skizzo (Barca) - 1. J. Neeskens 2. Romario 3. M. Laudrup 4. L. Thuram 5. L. Suarez Miramontes 6. R. Koeman 7. H. Stoichkov 8. L. Enrique 9. J. Bakero 10. J. Segarra 11. A. Zubizarreta 12. Migueli 13. L. Blanc 14. L.Kubala --- COMPLETE
  12. idmanager (I.Milan) - 1. L. Figo 2. D. Passarella 3. R. Carlos 4. R. Baggio 5. G. Meazza 6. M. Tardelli 7. S. Eto'o 8. G. Bergomi 9. Maicon 10. W. Zenga 11. T. Burgnich 12. M. Sammer 13. S. Mazzola 14. H. Szymaniak ---- COMPLETE
  13. Crappy (Lattek|Rinus) - 1. F. Rijkaard 2. G. Muller 3. P. Breitner 4. K-H Rummenigge 5. B. Schuster 6. H-G Schwarzenbeck 7. K. Augenthaler 8. S. Lerby 9. R. Rensenbrink 10. W. Suurbier 11. J.M Pfaff 12. Littbarski
  14. Raees (AC Milan) - 1. F. Redondo 2. F. Baresi 3. R. Gullit 4. M. Desailly 5. J. Stam 6. Kaka 7. M. Essien 8. G. Zambrotta 9. D. Savicevic 10. E. Gerets 11. G. Nordahl 12. K.H Schnellinger 13. J. Schiffiano 14. L. Buffon -----COMPLETE
  15. Physiocrat (1971-76) - 1. A. Nesta 2. P. Scholes 3. J. Zanetti 4. Rivaldo 5. P. Vieira 6. C. Vieri 7. S. Campbell 8. M. Overmars 9. V. Candela 10. F. Toldo 11. R. Costa 12. Ballack 13. J. Litmanen 14. C. Lopez ---- COMPLETE
  16. P-Nut0712 (R.Madrid) - 1. A. Di Stefano 2. C. Seedorf 3. Marcelo 4. C. Makelele 5. F. Hierro 6. I. Casillas 7. A. Robben 8. D. Carvajal 9. F. Puskas 10. Gento 11. J. Santamaria 12. Camacho 13. Modric 14. Ramos ---- COMPLETE
@2mufc0
 
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  1. Oeancha (1971-76) - 1. Z. Zidane 2. R. Giggs 3. D. Beckham 4. R. Keane 5. F. Cannavaro 6. D. Albertini 7. R. van Nistelrooy 8. A. Del Piero 9. C. Panucci 10. F. Totti 11. Sergi 12. S. Hyypiä 13. J.S. Verón
  2. Moby (BRA) - 1. L. Ronaldo 2. Ronaldinho 3. P. R. Falcâo 4. Didi 5. Nilton Santos 6. D. Alves 7. D. Da Guia 8. T. Silva 9. Zizinho 10. T. Cerezo 11. L. Junior 12. Julinho 13. Socrates
  3. Šjor (Ancel|Lattek) - 1. D. Maradona 2. Cafu 3. P. Maldini 4. E. Davids 5. A. Brehme 6. A. Shevchenko 7. C. Ferrara 8. G. Buffon 9. U. Stielike 10. A. Vidal 11. J. Heynckes 12. T. Muller 13. Deco
  4. Pat (ARG) - 1. L. Messi 2. S. Marzolini 3. O. Ruggeri 4. R. Ayala 5. D. Simeone 6. G. Batistuta 7. L. Monti 8. U. Fillol 9. J.M. Moreno 10. A. Sastre 11. A. Pedernera 12. F. Loustau 13. O. Corbatta
  5. 2mufc0 (Trap|Capello) -1. L. Matthäus 2. M. Platini 3. M. Van Basten 4. P. Nedved 5. J. Kohler 6. G. Gattuso 7. G. Rivera 8. A. Pirlo 9. S. Reuter 10. O. Kahn 11. C. Gentile 12. Z. Boniek 13. A. Cabrini 14. G. Scirea ---- COMPLETE
  6. Tuppet (BRA) - 1. Pele 2. Garrincha 3. Rivelino 4. Zico 5. Gerson 6. D. Santos 7. Zito 8. Neymar 9. Lucio 10. Gilmar 11. Branco 12. Leonidas 13. L. Pereira 14. Dunga ---- COMPLETE
  7. Paz/green_smiley (Fergie|Pep) - 1. C. Ronaldo 2. A. Iniesta 3. C. Puyol 4. T. Henry 5. Xavi 6. X. Alonso 7. E. Abidal 8. E. Cantona 9. N. Vidic 10. P. Lahm 11. P. Schmeichel 12. D. Alaba 13. Z. Ibrahimovic 14. T. Kroos ---- COMPLETE
  8. Enigma_87 (1940-45) - 1. F. Beckenbauer 2. C. Alberto 3. G. Facchetti 4. Jairzinho 5. W. van Hanegem 6. G. Netzer 7. S. Maier 8. P. Keizer 9. N. Stiles 10. Eusébio 11. D. Law 12. Chumpitaz 13. Bremner 14. SHESTERNYOV ---- COMPLETE
  9. Onenil (ENG) - 1. B. Moore 2. R. Ferdinand 3. B. Robson 4. J. Greaves 5. A. Cole 6. G. Neville 7. B. Charlton 8. K. Keegan 9. G. Banks 10. J. Barnes 11. S. Matthews 12. T. Finney 13. Shearer 14. D. Edwards ---- COMPLETE
  10. Ecstatic (1945-50) - 1. J. Cruyff 2. B. Vogts 3. R. Krol 4. Pirri 5. W. Jansen 6. Clodoaldo 7. A. Haan 8. Tostão 9. L. Mazurkiewicz 10. M. Trésor 11. T. Cubillas 12. E. Figueroa 13. Lato 14. G. Best ---- COMPLETE
  11. Skizzo (Barca) - 1. J. Neeskens 2. Romario 3. M. Laudrup 4. L. Thuram 5. L. Suarez Miramontes 6. R. Koeman 7. H. Stoichkov 8. L. Enrique 9. J. Bakero 10. J. Segarra 11. A. Zubizarreta 12. Migueli 13. L. Blanc 14. L.Kubala --- COMPLETE
  12. idmanager (I.Milan) - 1. L. Figo 2. D. Passarella 3. R. Carlos 4. R. Baggio 5. G. Meazza 6. M. Tardelli 7. S. Eto'o 8. G. Bergomi 9. Maicon 10. W. Zenga 11. T. Burgnich 12. M. Sammer 13. S. Mazzola 14. H. Szymaniak ---- COMPLETE
  13. Crappy (Lattek|Rinus) - 1. F. Rijkaard 2. G. Muller 3. P. Breitner 4. K-H Rummenigge 5. B. Schuster 6. H-G Schwarzenbeck 7. K. Augenthaler 8. S. Lerby 9. R. Rensenbrink 10. W. Suurbier 11. J.M Pfaff 12. Littbarski
  14. Raees (AC Milan) - 1. F. Redondo 2. F. Baresi 3. R. Gullit 4. M. Desailly 5. J. Stam 6. Kaka 7. M. Essien 8. G. Zambrotta 9. D. Savicevic 10. E. Gerets 11. G. Nordahl 12. K.H Schnellinger 13. J. Schiffiano 14. L. Buffon -----COMPLETE
  15. Physiocrat (1971-76) - 1. A. Nesta 2. P. Scholes 3. J. Zanetti 4. Rivaldo 5. P. Vieira 6. C. Vieri 7. S. Campbell 8. M. Overmars 9. V. Candela 10. F. Toldo 11. R. Costa 12. Ballack 13. J. Litmanen 14. C. Lopez ---- COMPLETE
  16. P-Nut0712 (R.Madrid) - 1. A. Di Stefano 2. C. Seedorf 3. Marcelo 4. C. Makelele 5. F. Hierro 6. I. Casillas 7. A. Robben 8. D. Carvajal 9. F. Puskas 10. Gento 11. J. Santamaria 12. Camacho 13. Modric 14. Ramos ---- COMPLETE

@Pat_Mustard
 
  1. Oeancha (1971-76) - 1. Z. Zidane 2. R. Giggs 3. D. Beckham 4. R. Keane 5. F. Cannavaro 6. D. Albertini 7. R. van Nistelrooy 8. A. Del Piero 9. C. Panucci 10. F. Totti 11. Sergi 12. S. Hyypiä 13. J.S. Verón
  2. Moby (BRA) - 1. L. Ronaldo 2. Ronaldinho 3. P. R. Falcâo 4. Didi 5. Nilton Santos 6. D. Alves 7. D. Da Guia 8. T. Silva 9. Zizinho 10. T. Cerezo 11. L. Junior 12. Julinho 13. Socrates
  3. Šjor (Ancel|Lattek) - 1. D. Maradona 2. Cafu 3. P. Maldini 4. E. Davids 5. A. Brehme 6. A. Shevchenko 7. C. Ferrara 8. G. Buffon 9. U. Stielike 10. A. Vidal 11. J. Heynckes 12. T. Muller 13. Deco
  4. Pat (ARG) - 1. L. Messi 2. S. Marzolini 3. O. Ruggeri 4. R. Ayala 5. D. Simeone 6. G. Batistuta 7. L. Monti 8. U. Fillol 9. J.M. Moreno 10. A. Sastre 11. A. Pedernera 12. F. Loustau 13. O. Corbatta 14. R. Perfumo ----COMPLETE
  5. 2mufc0 (Trap|Capello) -1. L. Matthäus 2. M. Platini 3. M. Van Basten 4. P. Nedved 5. J. Kohler 6. G. Gattuso 7. G. Rivera 8. A. Pirlo 9. S. Reuter 10. O. Kahn 11. C. Gentile 12. Z. Boniek 13. A. Cabrini 14. G. Scirea ---- COMPLETE
  6. Tuppet (BRA) - 1. Pele 2. Garrincha 3. Rivelino 4. Zico 5. Gerson 6. D. Santos 7. Zito 8. Neymar 9. Lucio 10. Gilmar 11. Branco 12. Leonidas 13. L. Pereira 14. Dunga ---- COMPLETE
  7. Paz/green_smiley (Fergie|Pep) - 1. C. Ronaldo 2. A. Iniesta 3. C. Puyol 4. T. Henry 5. Xavi 6. X. Alonso 7. E. Abidal 8. E. Cantona 9. N. Vidic 10. P. Lahm 11. P. Schmeichel 12. D. Alaba 13. Z. Ibrahimovic 14. T. Kroos ---- COMPLETE
  8. Enigma_87 (1940-45) - 1. F. Beckenbauer 2. C. Alberto 3. G. Facchetti 4. Jairzinho 5. W. van Hanegem 6. G. Netzer 7. S. Maier 8. P. Keizer 9. N. Stiles 10. Eusébio 11. D. Law 12. Chumpitaz 13. Bremner 14. SHESTERNYOV ---- COMPLETE
  9. Onenil (ENG) - 1. B. Moore 2. R. Ferdinand 3. B. Robson 4. J. Greaves 5. A. Cole 6. G. Neville 7. B. Charlton 8. K. Keegan 9. G. Banks 10. J. Barnes 11. S. Matthews 12. T. Finney 13. Shearer 14. D. Edwards ---- COMPLETE
  10. Ecstatic (1945-50) - 1. J. Cruyff 2. B. Vogts 3. R. Krol 4. Pirri 5. W. Jansen 6. Clodoaldo 7. A. Haan 8. Tostão 9. L. Mazurkiewicz 10. M. Trésor 11. T. Cubillas 12. E. Figueroa 13. Lato 14. G. Best ---- COMPLETE
  11. Skizzo (Barca) - 1. J. Neeskens 2. Romario 3. M. Laudrup 4. L. Thuram 5. L. Suarez Miramontes 6. R. Koeman 7. H. Stoichkov 8. L. Enrique 9. J. Bakero 10. J. Segarra 11. A. Zubizarreta 12. Migueli 13. L. Blanc 14. L.Kubala --- COMPLETE
  12. idmanager (I.Milan) - 1. L. Figo 2. D. Passarella 3. R. Carlos 4. R. Baggio 5. G. Meazza 6. M. Tardelli 7. S. Eto'o 8. G. Bergomi 9. Maicon 10. W. Zenga 11. T. Burgnich 12. M. Sammer 13. S. Mazzola 14. H. Szymaniak ---- COMPLETE
  13. Crappy (Lattek|Rinus) - 1. F. Rijkaard 2. G. Muller 3. P. Breitner 4. K-H Rummenigge 5. B. Schuster 6. H-G Schwarzenbeck 7. K. Augenthaler 8. S. Lerby 9. R. Rensenbrink 10. W. Suurbier 11. J.M Pfaff 12. Littbarski
  14. Raees (AC Milan) - 1. F. Redondo 2. F. Baresi 3. R. Gullit 4. M. Desailly 5. J. Stam 6. Kaka 7. M. Essien 8. G. Zambrotta 9. D. Savicevic 10. E. Gerets 11. G. Nordahl 12. K.H Schnellinger 13. J. Schiffiano 14. L. Buffon -----COMPLETE
  15. Physiocrat (1971-76) - 1. A. Nesta 2. P. Scholes 3. J. Zanetti 4. Rivaldo 5. P. Vieira 6. C. Vieri 7. S. Campbell 8. M. Overmars 9. V. Candela 10. F. Toldo 11. R. Costa 12. Ballack 13. J. Litmanen 14. C. Lopez ---- COMPLETE
  16. P-Nut0712 (R.Madrid) - 1. A. Di Stefano 2. C. Seedorf 3. Marcelo 4. C. Makelele 5. F. Hierro 6. I. Casillas 7. A. Robben 8. D. Carvajal 9. F. Puskas 10. Gento 11. J. Santamaria 12. Camacho 13. Modric 14. Ramos ---- COMPLETE
@Šjor Bepo
 
Oaencha said:
Thanks for taking the time to reply.

I wasn't just aimlessly attacking Ligue 1; I actually quite like French football. Gazelec Ajaccio won me a massive amount of money thanks to that cup run a few years back and I started following them on the side.

I don't think the French leagues are very strong but they have produced some very talented players and I still enjoy watching matches.

My original point was that Neymar is too good for the league. He is a couple of levels above everyone else and he is going to make the league look worse than it really is.
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Of course, the French league isn't strong compared to the Liga/EPL/Bundesliga/Serie A: France won only 2 European cups...

Now, the league is improving and changing: PSG/Monaco are strong, Lyon is reliable, Lille/Marseille/Nice are ambitious... The landscape is changing.

I'm not here to defend the French football but my point was only to say the league isn't known for being spectacular and having a high # of goals per game.

Someone capable to score goals in France over a long period of time could do the same somewhere else:

Arsenal: Henry, Wiltord, Giroud, Lacazette
Chelsea: Drogba, Anelka
RM: Benzema
Dortmund: Aubameyang

Once again, performances at the European stage shows the weaknesses of the League.
 

Always loved this finish:drool:
  1. Oeancha (1971-76) - 1. Z. Zidane 2. R. Giggs 3. D. Beckham 4. R. Keane 5. F. Cannavaro 6. D. Albertini 7. R. van Nistelrooy 8. A. Del Piero 9. C. Panucci 10. F. Totti 11. Sergi 12. S. Hyypiä 13. J.S. Verón
  2. Moby (BRA) - 1. L. Ronaldo 2. Ronaldinho 3. P. R. Falcâo 4. Didi 5. Nilton Santos 6. D. Alves 7. D. Da Guia 8. T. Silva 9. Zizinho 10. T. Cerezo 11. L. Junior 12. Julinho 13. Socrates
  3. Šjor (Ancel|Lattek) - 1. D. Maradona 2. Cafu 3. P. Maldini 4. E. Davids 5. A. Brehme 6. A. Shevchenko 7. C. Ferrara 8. G. Buffon 9. U. Stielike 10. A. Vidal 11. J. Heynckes 12. T. Muller 13. Deco 14. H. Crespo ---------- COMPLETE
  4. Pat (ARG) - 1. L. Messi 2. S. Marzolini 3. O. Ruggeri 4. R. Ayala 5. D. Simeone 6. G. Batistuta 7. L. Monti 8. U. Fillol 9. J.M. Moreno 10. A. Sastre 11. A. Pedernera 12. F. Loustau 13. O. Corbatta 14. R. Perfumo ----COMPLETE
  5. 2mufc0 (Trap|Capello) -1. L. Matthäus 2. M. Platini 3. M. Van Basten 4. P. Nedved 5. J. Kohler 6. G. Gattuso 7. G. Rivera 8. A. Pirlo 9. S. Reuter 10. O. Kahn 11. C. Gentile 12. Z. Boniek 13. A. Cabrini 14. G. Scirea ---- COMPLETE
  6. Tuppet (BRA) - 1. Pele 2. Garrincha 3. Rivelino 4. Zico 5. Gerson 6. D. Santos 7. Zito 8. Neymar 9. Lucio 10. Gilmar 11. Branco 12. Leonidas 13. L. Pereira 14. Dunga ---- COMPLETE
  7. Paz/green_smiley (Fergie|Pep) - 1. C. Ronaldo 2. A. Iniesta 3. C. Puyol 4. T. Henry 5. Xavi 6. X. Alonso 7. E. Abidal 8. E. Cantona 9. N. Vidic 10. P. Lahm 11. P. Schmeichel 12. D. Alaba 13. Z. Ibrahimovic 14. T. Kroos ---- COMPLETE
  8. Enigma_87 (1940-45) - 1. F. Beckenbauer 2. C. Alberto 3. G. Facchetti 4. Jairzinho 5. W. van Hanegem 6. G. Netzer 7. S. Maier 8. P. Keizer 9. N. Stiles 10. Eusébio 11. D. Law 12. Chumpitaz 13. Bremner 14. SHESTERNYOV ---- COMPLETE
  9. Onenil (ENG) - 1. B. Moore 2. R. Ferdinand 3. B. Robson 4. J. Greaves 5. A. Cole 6. G. Neville 7. B. Charlton 8. K. Keegan 9. G. Banks 10. J. Barnes 11. S. Matthews 12. T. Finney 13. Shearer 14. D. Edwards ---- COMPLETE
  10. Ecstatic (1945-50) - 1. J. Cruyff 2. B. Vogts 3. R. Krol 4. Pirri 5. W. Jansen 6. Clodoaldo 7. A. Haan 8. Tostão 9. L. Mazurkiewicz 10. M. Trésor 11. T. Cubillas 12. E. Figueroa 13. Lato 14. G. Best ---- COMPLETE
  11. Skizzo (Barca) - 1. J. Neeskens 2. Romario 3. M. Laudrup 4. L. Thuram 5. L. Suarez Miramontes 6. R. Koeman 7. H. Stoichkov 8. L. Enrique 9. J. Bakero 10. J. Segarra 11. A. Zubizarreta 12. Migueli 13. L. Blanc 14. L.Kubala --- COMPLETE
  12. idmanager (I.Milan) - 1. L. Figo 2. D. Passarella 3. R. Carlos 4. R. Baggio 5. G. Meazza 6. M. Tardelli 7. S. Eto'o 8. G. Bergomi 9. Maicon 10. W. Zenga 11. T. Burgnich 12. M. Sammer 13. S. Mazzola 14. H. Szymaniak ---- COMPLETE
  13. Crappy (Lattek|Rinus) - 1. F. Rijkaard 2. G. Muller 3. P. Breitner 4. K-H Rummenigge 5. B. Schuster 6. H-G Schwarzenbeck 7. K. Augenthaler 8. S. Lerby 9. R. Rensenbrink 10. W. Suurbier 11. J.M Pfaff 12. Littbarski
  14. Raees (AC Milan) - 1. F. Redondo 2. F. Baresi 3. R. Gullit 4. M. Desailly 5. J. Stam 6. Kaka 7. M. Essien 8. G. Zambrotta 9. D. Savicevic 10. E. Gerets 11. G. Nordahl 12. K.H Schnellinger 13. J. Schiffiano 14. L. Buffon -----COMPLETE
  15. Physiocrat (1971-76) - 1. A. Nesta 2. P. Scholes 3. J. Zanetti 4. Rivaldo 5. P. Vieira 6. C. Vieri 7. S. Campbell 8. M. Overmars 9. V. Candela 10. F. Toldo 11. R. Costa 12. Ballack 13. J. Litmanen 14. C. Lopez ---- COMPLETE
  16. P-Nut0712 (R.Madrid) - 1. A. Di Stefano 2. C. Seedorf 3. Marcelo 4. C. Makelele 5. F. Hierro 6. I. Casillas 7. A. Robben 8. D. Carvajal 9. F. Puskas 10. Gento 11. J. Santamaria 12. Camacho 13. Modric 14. Ramos ---- COMPLETE
@Moby
 
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