The “Ole In” Brigade

[Di Maria's angel]

I'm not complaining that you are supporting the manager now. But you used some harsh words before, so people are curious as to what changed your mind?

Most of those "Ole in" over the last year has seen the signs of what's happening now, we believed that as a team we were on the right path and our results would get better. That we needed some more recruitment and for the team to play together and improve.

We're delighted with how everything is going right now. And I'll still be even if lose the carabao semi-final and at Anfield. Though I do think we have good chances at winning both if the players heads are in it on the days.
But as long as we finish top 4 with more points than last year I'll be satisfied. Not happy, but satisfied

I'd have to type an essay. I didn't really back the decision to appoint him as manager and up until recently, there were far too many ups and downs for me to change my mind on it. As for the harsh words, lets not act like Ole's the only one who gets criticised. I'm sure the angels in this thread have had harsh words to say about our current and previous players/managers.

Your question is so odd. Have you never changed your mind on anything before? If you guys prefer, I can continue criticising and moaning about him?

What is it you guys want from this forum? It's very Nazi like to expect everyone to share the same opinion as you and then to question/grill them for changing their minds.

 

[Zen86]

I'd have to type an essay. I didn't really back the decision to appoint him as manager and up until recently, there were far too many ups and downs for me to change my mind on it. As for the harsh words, lets not act like Ole's the only one who gets criticised. I'm sure the angels in this thread have had harsh words to say about our current and previous players/managers.

Your question is so odd. Have you never changed your mind on anything before? If you guys prefer, I can continue criticising and moaning about him?

What is it you guys want from this forum? It's very Nazi like to expect everyone to share the same opinion as you and then to question/grill them for changing their minds.

Calm down, we’re just curious as to when Ole stopped being a clueless PE teacher

 

[Di Maria's angel]

Calm down, we’re just curious as to when Ole stopped being a clueless PE teacher

Never called him a PE teacher. I am calm. I just find it odd that one comment seems to have provoked so many. That too, a comment showing support for someone I've criticised a lot since he was appointed.

All you guys have done for months is cry about the Ole outers and when some change their opinions, you keep fecking crying. Grow up.

 

[VorZakone]

Then that's on you. It's not normal to be affected by comments made by people you don't even know. You guys are acting like you just fought a war and are suffering from PTSD. Get a fecking grip.

Also as for your comment above, I don't really care whether you think I deserve to or not. I'll continue supporting the club like I've done for most of my existence.

Can't help but agree a bit. It's just a game and we're all just folks wasting hours away on a forum.

That being said, I can also understand if the Ole In brigade wants to be smug about it.

 

[Wumminator]

I'd have to type an essay. I didn't really back the decision to appoint him as manager and up until recently, there were far too many ups and downs for me to change my mind on it. As for the harsh words, lets not act like Ole's the only one who gets criticised. I'm sure the angels in this thread have had harsh words to say about our current and previous players/managers.

Your question is so odd. Have you never changed your mind on anything before? If you guys prefer, I can continue criticising and moaning about him?

What is it you guys want from this forum? It's very Nazi like to expect everyone to share the same opinion as you and then to question/grill them for changing their minds.

The whole point is that after insulting our manager, calling him an idiot and saying that everyone who supports him is delusional for years, it then sticks in the craw somewhat when you don’t expect any pushback when you’re happy he is now here.

The reason it’s slightly mystifying is because everything I’ve said to you for the last few years you’ve argued against - called me an idiot for suggesting them - and now seem to think “well actually Ole is really good.”

It’ll mean less to you when we do well. That’s the simple point. If Ole does ever do well, you’ve insulted and criticised him at such a stupid level that you’ll have no recourse but to feel ashamed.

For the last few years (a decade for me) I’ve just been trying to support the club. I’ve wanted the best long term action. I’ve gone to games, spent hundreds but never stopped being a Manchester United supporter. The amount of vitriol and abuse our team get here isn’t normal, and it isn’t healthy. Hence why you have your back up now; you know there is no excusing your old posts at this point.

May this be a lesson you (and others) learn from in the future. It is better to throw yourself behind your team, keep supporting them and look for the positives rather than moan about anything.

 

[Di Maria's angel]

The whole point is that after insulting our manager, calling him an idiot and saying that everyone who supports him is delusional for years, it then sticks in the craw somewhat when you don’t expect any pushback when you’re happy he is now here.

The reason it’s slightly mystifying is because everything I’ve said to you for the last few years you’ve argued against - called me an idiot for suggesting them - and now seem to think “well actually Ole is really good.”

It’ll mean less to you when we do well. That’s the simple point. If Ole does ever do well, you’ve insulted and criticised him at such a stupid level that you’ll have no recourse but to feel ashamed.

For the last few years (a decade for me) I’ve just been trying to support the club. I’ve wanted the best long term action. I’ve gone to games, spent hundreds but never stopped being a Manchester United supporter. The amount of vitriol and abuse our team get here isn’t normal, and it isn’t healthy. Hence why you have your back up now; you know there is no excusing your old posts at this point.

May this be a lesson you (and others) learn from in the future. It is better to throw yourself behind your team, keep supporting them and look for the positives rather than moan about anything.

Never said that.

You need to understand that I support the club. I want to club to do well. I don't support a player nor manager.

Get off your high horse. You whined throughout the whole of the Mourinho era even before he was officially appointed. You're a hypocrite of a different nature. I'm no longer interested in engaging in a conversation with you (not that I ever was).

 

[Wumminator]

Never said that.

You need to understand that I support the club. I want to club to do well. I don't support a player nor manager.

Get off your high horse. You whined throughout the whole of the Mourinho era even before he was officially appointed. You're a hypocrite of a different nature. I'm no longer interested in engaging in a conversation with you.

I most certainly did not whine through the whole Mourinho era. However, if you can not see why the fanbase as a whole has a different response for Ole compared to Mourinho ... you just don’t get it.

 

[Zlatan 7]

I guess what people are thinking is that since you were against him just a month ago, how much time are you willing to give him now? What would it take for you to want him out again?

Probably if we get knocked out of Carling cup or lose to Liverpool. It will show Ole is out of his depth again

 

[Zen86]

Never called him a PE teacher. I am calm. I just find it odd that one comment seems to have provoked so many. That too, a comment showing support for someone I've criticised a lot since he was appointed.

All you guys have done for months is cry about the Ole outers and when some change their opinions, you keep fecking crying. Grow up.

You’re a bit delusional if you didn’t expect some stick after suddenly changing your mind, considering how staunch (and insulting) you have been with your views. Deal with it.

p.s welcome to the cult of Ole In!

 

[OleBoiii]

Could we change the thread title to 'The "Ole In" Brigade aka The League Of Extraordinary Gentlemen'?

 

[Di Maria's angel]

You’re a bit delusional if you didn’t expect some stick after suddenly changing your mind, considering how staunch (and insulting) you have been with your views. Deal with it.

p.s welcome to the cult of Ole In!

Wait why? Why would I get stick for having an opinion? Other than calling him a "shit manager", I don't think I've ever insulted Ole as a person.

I'll say it again, some of you guys are really weird. Also I think I'm going to pass on the invitation.

 

[Sandikan]

Even without trophies he's the best manager post Fergie. The best part is that we seem to only be getting better, unlike under the other coaches. That is the most important part at the end of the day.

He's created a team of fighters who are entertaining to watch. He keeps a cool head and gives the media no ammunition what-so-ever. And now we're averaging 2.1 points per game and have the same amount of points as the leaders. Imagine if we had a consistent goalscorer like Cole, RVN, Rooney, Ronaldo or RVP. We'd be flying.

Without the trophies of Jose or LVG history won't show him as such though.

 

[Sandikan]

You’re a bit delusional if you didn’t expect some stick after suddenly changing your mind, considering how staunch (and insulting) you have been with your views. Deal with it.

p.s welcome to the cult of Ole In!

The cult of being joint top on points.

I like this cult.

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

I get it and what you have to understand is I’ve made trillions of points. Which I’m sure your aware of. My opinions have become very dumbed down over time just because of not seeing eye to eye with others and it saves long debates.

But the main gist of it is.. in his first season (interim one) it became very clear to me that his not good enough to take us from where we was to as an example where Klopp had Liverpool. That take a certain type of elitism which I believe he doesn’t have.

Has he done a good job.. yes. I believed he would have got sacked ages ago and probably would have if Woodward didn’t fear looking even more of clueless t*at people already think he is. But right now I’m very happy we are in a good position and we look like we can compete for a title. Does he take credit for that of course he does but what I don’t like is how people don’t believe the team that is currently there should not be where they are. That Make sense?

In order to move 4 step forwards, you need to take 2 step backwards first because there were problems and ageing players in the team thus he needs to rebuild again. You are focusing too much on the 2 step backwards but ignoring the benefits and the step forwards of the progress he showed. Which I’m sure you remember I keep telling you that you are not looking at the bigger picture.

 

[Icemav]

I don't think our physicality has necessarily increased. When Ole took over, we still had Lukaku and Fellaini in the squad.

What I believe @Mattzo means is that our fitness levels have increased. We've finally got a settled XI that can be relied upon for the vast majority of matches and players like Maguire who rarely get injured. That's a far cry from being dependent on sicknotes like Jones and Rojo.

Definitely fitness is better. Sure we had some strong players in the past but also many weak and/or slow ones. Martial and Rashford for instance are very hard to get the ball off now and press quite hard thoughout the game. Fred and Mctominay and Bruno are very tenacious. Pogba put in a shift at the weekend. Just overall we hunt and fight for the ball much harder these days and our team is overall stronger and faster. We do not have the soft underbelly of former teams and it allows us to play a more open and exciting game where we can go toe to toe.

 

[Zlatan 7]

Wait why? Why would I get stick for having an opinion? Other than calling him a "shit manager", I don't think I've ever insulted Ole as a person.

I'll say it again, some of you guys are really weird. Also I think I'm going to pass on the invitation.

Chat shit get banged

 

[Withnail]

This place will be fun when we inevitably drop points against a team we should be beating. We've capitalised on others poor form so far which we weren't doing last year but we are bound to hit a bad patch at some stage.

It's incredibly tight at the top, especially when you consider Villa in 7th have a game in hand. We'll see over the next 9 or 10 games if a few teams pull away from the pack and if we really are in a title race.

 

[anant]

This place will be fun when we inevitably drop points against a team we should be beating. We've capitalised on others poor form so far which we weren't doing last year but we are bound to hit a bad patch at some stage.

It's incredibly tight at the top, especially when you consider Villa in 7th have a game in hand. We'll see over the next 9 or 10 games if a few teams pull away from the pack and if we really are in a title race.

Honestly, I don't think we can afford to drop more than 4-6 points till our game vs Newcastle (20th Feb). Our run in is not the easiest - we face Pool, Wolves and Leicester in our last 5, so need to seal CL by 32nd game and maybe try and have a 4-5 point lead before our game vs Pool at OT

 

[Eckers99]

This place will be fun when we inevitably drop points against a team we should be beating. We've capitalised on others poor form so far which we weren't doing last year but we are bound to hit a bad patch at some stage.

It's incredibly tight at the top, especially when you consider Villa in 7th have a game in hand. We'll see over the next 9 or 10 games if a few teams pull away from the pack and if we really are in a title race.

I guaran-fecking-tee that shit loads of posters will pipe up with the 'should've got Poch while he was available' posts. With the usual demented suspects being to the fore.

 

[sugar_kane]

I guaran-fecking-tee that shit loads of posters will pipe up with the 'should've got Poch while he was available' posts. With the usual demented suspects being to the fore.

Honestly just add them to ignore, I've started doing it on a regular basis now and it's made the forum ten times more bearable.

 

[Robbie Boy]

This thread

 

[Manny]

Ole outers are going to be flip flopping harder than Boris this season!

 

[alexthelion]

It's the only thing you're clearly interested in.

You seem to be very defensive. Something to hide?

 

[Verminator]

I've had a job trying to convince outers to see the progress, but if I expended so much energy trying to change their minds, why would I then castigate them for doing just that?

Welcome to the fields of daisies and sunshine, one and all.
Wash away your sins in the Irwell, and be born again.
We have missed you, while you suffered and withered in the shadows.
Behold and rejoice! For he is the word, and his name is truth.(actually it's Ole)

 

[RedPed]

I guaran-fecking-tee that shit loads of posters will pipe up with the 'should've got Poch while he was available' posts. With the usual demented suspects being to the fore.

Wait till we lose our next game. They'll be going mental. It'll also get worse after he has won his one-horse race in Ligue 1.

Anyway, they'll just move on to the next flavour of the month. Allegri will start to get more mentions I bet.

 

[Mattzo]

Great post.

Don't worry about your English, from my experience, us foreigners write better English grammar than the Brits does

Good post.

Thanks, these give me a bit of confidence

I don't think our physicality has necessarily increased. When Ole took over, we still had Lukaku and Fellaini in the squad.

What I believe @Mattzo means is that our fitness levels have increased. We've finally got a settled XI that can be relied upon for the vast majority of matches and players like Maguire who rarely get injured. That's a far cry from being dependent on sicknotes like Jones and Rojo.

yes I mean fitness levels, thank you for correcting.

All players including subs have good fitness level, ready to be played anytime, which means that tight schedule and fixtures are no problem for Man Utd.
We just need consistency now, and good mentality to bounce back when - for example - lose to Liverpool or any other teams.

 

[Paddy B]

As an outsider I can only add this to the Ole debate. When the team were struggling and got knocked out of the CL my United mates, almost unanimously, did not rate Ole and wanted him out. My City mates were not that bothered and did not really rate United or Ole much around that time.

Forward to today. My United mates cannot quite believe how well they've done recently and are giving Ole a lot of credit for the great results and storming up the league. Others still don't believe he is the man for the long term. My City mates, the sensible ones, now think United can challenge and are a threat in the league which represents a big change to their opinions from a couple of months ago. But nobody can really explain quite how this big turnaround has occurred and Ole's part in it.

 

[Green_Red]

There's a proper handbags going on in this thread.

 

[rotherham_red]

This place will be fun when we inevitably drop points against a team we should be beating. We've capitalised on others poor form so far which we weren't doing last year but we are bound to hit a bad patch at some stage.

It's incredibly tight at the top, especially when you consider Villa in 7th have a game in hand. We'll see over the next 9 or 10 games if a few teams pull away from the pack and if we really are in a title race.

Absolutely mate. Make no mistake about it, we're not at that stage yet to be properly competing on an even keel with Liverpool and City. The squad still has too many holes within it, and while we have the momentum for the first time in a while, this team, with a Covid season to boot with various extra games in a condensed time period will eventually wilt.

And do you know what, that's fine. We have done remarkably well to recover from our bad start and even poorer transfer window. My aim at the start of the season was sustaining Top 4 for the first time since SAF retired, and nothing I have seen from us, good and bad included, has made me deviate from that. If we're still neck and neck with them by the time the European games come round in late February, then I will be interested in seeing where we are vis-a-vis the title picture, but not until then.

 

[lysglimt]

Then why did you post this:

“ Hes a shit manager. We might win today but it won't change the fact that hes awful at his job.”

Less than a month ago?

Because he has been posting stuff like that for a good part of 12 months now ? Him and Foxbatt should deserve credit for sticking around at least - the majority of the 15 or so people I put on ignore for being clueless, stopped writing when we started winning matches.

 

[Random Task]

People are well within their rights to have a difference of opinion.

I can't begin to describe how petty the whole "I was right, you were wrong" shite is.

 

[rotherham_red]

Honestly, I don't think we can afford to drop more than 4-6 points till our game vs Newcastle (20th Feb). Our run in is not the easiest - we face Pool, Wolves and Leicester in our last 5, so need to seal CL by 32nd game and maybe try and have a 4-5 point lead before our game vs Pool at OT

I think it depends on how everyone else does tbh. The likes of Leicester, Everton, West Ham etc all have had their fair share of dodgy results and performances, and we have shown with this team that we have the propensity to go on long unbeaten runs. As long as the mentality is correct from the players, I think we'll be ok. Though with this season you just never know.

 

[anant]

I think it depends on how everyone else does tbh. The likes of Leicester, Everton, West Ham etc all have had their fair share of dodgy results and performances, and we have shown with this team that we have the propensity to go on long unbeaten runs. As long as the mentality is correct from the players, I think we'll be ok. Though with this season you just never know.

I'm expecting us to drop more points in the latter half of the season than Pool and City because of the fixtures. If it's just top 4 we're aiming for, we can definitely drop more than 4-6 points and be fine. However, in order to put up a serious title challenge, we'd need to be the leaders after the Newcastle game in order to give ourselves a chance of winning the league or pushing Pool/ City till the very very end

 

[RedTiger]

People are well within their rights to have a difference of opinion.

I can't begin to describe how petty the whole "I was right, you were wrong" shite is.

Of course people are allowed to have a critical opinion, the issue is when they are so set in their opinion that they invariably ignore positive aspects of Ole's management.

There were plenty of times I wanted someone else to take over from Sir Alex. People like O'Neill, Hitzfeld and I even wanted LVG in the late 90s. I still backed our manager and I think he's the greatest Manager ever but I was still critical at times.

Ps, I still hold a tiny grudge against sir Alex for selling Jaap Stam

 

[Withnail]

Of course people are allowed to have a critical opinion, the issue is when they are so set in their opinion that they invariably ignore positive aspects of Ole's management.

There were plenty of times I wanted someone else to take over from Sir Alex. People like O'Neill, Hitzfeld and I even wanted LVG in the late 90s. I still backed our manager and I think he's the greatest Manager ever but I was still critical at times.

Ps, I still hold a tiny grudge against sir Alex for selling Jaap Stam

That was a terrible decision

 

[Withnail]

Absolutely mate. Make no mistake about it, we're not at that stage yet to be properly competing on an even keel with Liverpool and City. The squad still has too many holes within it, and while we have the momentum for the first time in a while, this team, with a Covid season to boot with various extra games in a condensed time period will eventually wilt.

And do you know what, that's fine. We have done remarkably well to recover from our bad start and even poorer transfer window. My aim at the start of the season was sustaining Top 4 for the first time since SAF retired, and nothing I have seen from us, good and bad included, has made me deviate from that. If we're still neck and neck with them by the time the European games come round in late February, then I will be interested in seeing where we are vis-a-vis the title picture, but not until then.

Yeah a proper title race this season would be an absolute bonus for me.

 

[rotherham_red]

I'm expecting us to drop more points in the latter half of the season than Pool and City because of the fixtures. If it's just top 4 we're aiming for, we can definitely drop more than 4-6 points and be fine. However, in order to put up a serious title challenge, we'd need to be the leaders after the Newcastle game in order to give ourselves a chance of winning the league or pushing Pool/ City till the very very end

Ah gotcha, though with the way Liverpool are going I'm not sure if we'd even need to be that consistent. I think if we're within 5 points of them by the time the Newcastle game is done, then we can definitely challenge because I don't see City and Liverpool having that consistency they had in previous seasons this time around with how many games are going to be played from February onwards.

 

[Lentwood]

What I think is worth noting is that most of the team who started last night vs Burnley are players who have previously been languishing in mid-table under LvG and Jose.

De Gea - SAF, Moyes, LvG, Jose
Shaw - LvG, Jose
AWB - Ole
Maguire - Ole
Bailly - Jose
Matic - Jose
Pogba - Jose
Fernandes - Ole
Rashford - LvG, Jose
Martial - LvG, Jose
Cavani - Ole

It’s not as if Ole has come in and signed 15 new players. Yes we have added a bit of quality but most of the lads who start regularly have significantly improved since Ole took over.

Not bad for a PE teacher who oversees a “poorly coached side”

 

[Steve Bruce]

What I think is worth noting is that most of the team who started last night vs Burnley are players who have previously been languishing in mid-table under LvG and Jose.

De Gea - SAF, Moyes, LvG, Jose
Shaw - LvG, Jose
AWB - Ole
Maguire - Ole
Bailly - Jose
Matic - Jose
Pogba - Jose
Fernandes - Ole
Rashford - LvG, Jose
Martial - LvG, Jose
Cavani - Ole

It’s not as if Ole has come in and signed 15 new players. Yes we have added a bit of quality but most of the lads who start regularly have significantly improved since Ole took over.

Not bad for a PE teacher who oversees a “poorly coached side”

I've got my doubts if Ole will win us big trophies, BUT.... Anyone that's waiting to for a bad result to shout 'Ole Out' have an agenda & need to look at themselves.

 

[Adam McNeill]

I am honestly delighted for Ole and all us supporters, it's been a long time since I have seen us top of the league mid season, I am feeling the positive vibes.

By no way or means do I think we will go onto win it as I think we are still too inconsistent in general, but the improvement under Ole (compared to 2/3 seasoned managers) really is outstanding and he should be praised for that.

Slowly the deadwood is being moved on and were back onto the right recruitment path of young exciting players with the odd superstar signing, that's how I remember united. We also have a manager that would bleed United and if he continues on his/team evolution I hope he is our next LONG term manager.

Sorry but I cant help having a dig at a few Liverpool fans with this joke:

We're gonna win the league
We're gonna win the league
Now yer gonna believe us
Now yer gonna believe us
Now yer gonna believe ussssssssssssss
We're gonna win the league