The thing I'm most concerned about AOB is his tendency to show up only at the end of meetings.
@IsotopeSimon Wells? I didn’t realise he was still around. Wasn’t he the one responsible for Ole’s duds?
Wtf... should we ask Korn Ferry for a refund?
Majority of those, including Woodward, left by choice or were only here on a temporary basis, and and Phelan hasn’t even left yet so no idea what point you are trying to make.
@Isotope
Simon Wells is still around and along with Jose Mayorga, will replace the two out-going head scouts.
I personally believe a club's scouting is only as good as the direction it's being set by the people leading the football side of the club. And with Solskjaer and Phelan leading the way, Simon Wells can only only identify players for the criteria set by the aforementioned two. So what the criteria was regarding player attributes/characteristics is open to speculation, but it was reported that a strategy was put forth by Solskjaer and Phelan, which focused on a particular demographic and later abandoned.
I think the below tweet outlines a criteria which will help the scouts to follow a clear plan set by the DoF/head coach. And if they do follow the criteria below, I do believe it won't be long before we get back to competing for titles.
The criteria above should filter out the mistakes we've made in the past.
1. 'Can they out outrun the opposition'? Ticks the intensity/physicality box.
2. 'Can they outplay the opposition'? Ticks the touch and technique box.
3. 'Can they outfight the opponent'? Ticks the strong mentality box.
I think that will then allow Erik ten Hag to mould the team in his image when it comes to implementing a playstyle, togetherness and strong mentality.
A better question might be which players would have been signed.Based on those criteria, which players would not have been signed from let's say the last 5 years?
Not many tbh with you.Based on those criteria, which players would not have been signed from let's say the last 5 years?
Based on those criteria, which players would not have been signed from let's say the last 5 years?
Murtough gets his admin assistant. A man that was at the mighty Liverpool... back when they were at their worst
Squad building is very simple according to both Rangnick and Campos. And I agree.What is that "criteria" really? It's just a generic set of observations probably dreamt up by the author. It's highly unspecific. Who doesn't want the holy grail of player that is a physical machine, with the silkiest touch and perfect mentality? A chimp could come up with that strategy.
The trick is actually identifying these players, and when you have an idea being able to crunch the data and having the observational skill to determine how players rate which isn't always clear or requires extrapolation across leagues. We can all sit here and say we'd like players to be like that but sometimes they're not quite ticking every box and you also have to compromise to build a complimentary set of players that can cover each others weaknesses. Squad building is a very tricky thing.
just choosing to ignore all of his other qualifications?
Oohh look at murtoughs admin assistant, he's good at excel sheets wowww
Okay, I am surprised that clubs have relatively low success rates and patchy success generally with no guarantee given it is easy. All they need to do is get players with great technique, physique and mentality.Squad building is very simple according to both Rangnick and Campos. And I agree.
@Isotope
Simon Wells is still around and along with Jose Mayorga, will replace the two out-going head scouts.
I personally believe a club's scouting is only as good as the direction it's being set by the people leading the football side of the club. And with Solskjaer and Phelan leading the way, Simon Wells can only only identify players for the criteria set by the aforementioned two. So what the criteria was regarding player attributes/characteristics is open to speculation, but it was reported that a strategy was put forth by Solskjaer and Phelan, which focused on a particular demographic and later abandoned.
I think the below tweet outlines a criteria which will help the scouts to follow a clear plan set by the DoF/head coach. And if they do follow the criteria below, I do believe it won't be long before we get back to competing for titles.
The criteria above should filter out the mistakes we've made in the past.
1. 'Can they out outrun the opposition'? Ticks the intensity/physicality box.
2. 'Can they outplay the opposition'? Ticks the touch and technique box.
3. 'Can they outfight the opponent'? Ticks the strong mentality box.
I think that will then allow Erik ten Hag to mould the team in his image when it comes to implementing a playstyle, togetherness and strong mentality.
I’d hazard a guess that some would have been absolutely fine at the intensity/physicality stuff if it had been expected of them from the start at United. I’m sure we haven’t gone out of our way to sign lazy players; it seems a lot more likely that they have ended up that way thanks to the generally casual and undemanding atmosphere.Not many tbh with you.
You're looking at things with a very narrow lens imo.Okay, I am surprised that clubs have relatively low success rates and patchy success generally with no guarantee given it is easy. All they need to do is get players with great technique, physique and mentality.
I hope you're right mate, we could do with several of the existing players to come good under ten Hag.I’d hazard a guess that some would have been absolutely fine at the intensity/physicality stuff if it had been expected of them from the start at United. I’m sure we haven’t gone out of our way to sign lazy players; it seems a lot more likely that they have ended up that way thanks to the generally casual and undemanding atmosphere.
Whether any of them are redeemable, or are all too far gone for that, remains to be seen.
I’m sure you have. There is a flourish of changes in all parts of the club. Both you and I may speculate how many of these are driven, wanted, welcomed or resisted by Arnold and Murtaugh, but the fact is we don’t really know, do we? Regardless, there is an avalanche of people out the doors, so claiming ‘everything is so slow at the club’ with regards to personnel just doesn’t compute. Neither does the idea that we should have more new faces in by now than we do have. Speed hiring for 15 positions does not make sense.
Maybe you are thinking of previous years, when we have spent long time structuring new positions and hiring for them. Then again, that was under Woodward, with few outgoings. Now we are run by Arnold and Murtaugh, and have a multitude of changes, so generalizing from that situation to this seems fairly unfounded.
Oh I’m not holding my breath. I’ve a feeling that the players who have the required intensity (Dalot, for example) are terminally deficient in other areas.I hope you're right mate, we could do with several of the existing players to come good under ten Hag.
@Isotope
Simon Wells is still around and along with Jose Mayorga, will replace the two out-going head scouts.
I personally believe a club's scouting is only as good as the direction it's being set by the people leading the football side of the club. And with Solskjaer and Phelan leading the way, Simon Wells can only only identify players for the criteria set by the aforementioned two. So what the criteria was regarding player attributes/characteristics is open to speculation, but it was reported that a strategy was put forth by Solskjaer and Phelan, which focused on a particular demographic and later abandoned.
I think the below tweet outlines a criteria which will help the scouts to follow a clear plan set by the DoF/head coach. And if they do follow the criteria below, I do believe it won't be long before we get back to competing for titles.
The criteria above should filter out the mistakes we've made in the past.
1. 'Can they out outrun the opposition'? Ticks the intensity/physicality box.
2. 'Can they outplay the opposition'? Ticks the touch and technique box.
3. 'Can they outfight the opponent'? Ticks the strong mentality box.
I think that will then allow Erik ten Hag to mould the team in his image when it comes to implementing a playstyle, togetherness and strong mentality.
@Isotope
Simon Wells is still around and along with Jose Mayorga, will replace the two out-going head scouts.
I personally believe a club's scouting is only as good as the direction it's being set by the people leading the football side of the club. And with Solskjaer and Phelan leading the way, Simon Wells can only only identify players for the criteria set by the aforementioned two. So what the criteria was regarding player attributes/characteristics is open to speculation, but it was reported that a strategy was put forth by Solskjaer and Phelan, which focused on a particular demographic and later abandoned.
I think the below tweet outlines a criteria which will help the scouts to follow a clear plan set by the DoF/head coach. And if they do follow the criteria below, I do believe it won't be long before we get back to competing for titles.
The criteria above should filter out the mistakes we've made in the past.
1. 'Can they out outrun the opposition'? Ticks the intensity/physicality box.
2. 'Can they outplay the opposition'? Ticks the touch and technique box.
3. 'Can they outfight the opponent'? Ticks the strong mentality box.
I think that will then allow Erik ten Hag to mould the team in his image when it comes to implementing a playstyle, togetherness and strong mentality.
The criteria fits many players in France, Germany and elsewhere, and the players don't necessarily have to be expensive either.Well then, players that tick all those boxes are expensive / star players. Also, who doesn't want an aggressive/physical, technical, and mentally strong player? That's kinda a bit pointless criteria, don't you think?
I'm hoping the Club has a plan like Bayern has. So whoever they plug in as a manager, there's a continuation of the play style (thus type of players they're scouting). It allows the Club to pursue a player, regardless of who the manager is. Just like Bayern has been tapping/pursuing Lewandowski for years. With us, you can see we're waiting for new manager to come in before purchasing new player. All we've done so far is "giving time" for manager to have the squad "of his own players". That is leading to this mishmash of team.
If yes, who could be in charge of this?
That's ten Hag talk..Bloody hell. Copywriting FC.
Didnt Ralf say this.
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That's ten Hag talk..
@Isotope
Simon Wells is still around and along with Jose Mayorga, will replace the two out-going head scouts.
I personally believe a club's scouting is only as good as the direction it's being set by the people leading the football side of the club. And with Solskjaer and Phelan leading the way, Simon Wells can only only identify players for the criteria set by the aforementioned two. So what the criteria was regarding player attributes/characteristics is open to speculation, but it was reported that a strategy was put forth by Solskjaer and Phelan, which focused on a particular demographic and later abandoned.
I think the below tweet outlines a criteria which will help the scouts to follow a clear plan set by the DoF/head coach. And if they do follow the criteria below, I do believe it won't be long before we get back to competing for titles.
The criteria above should filter out the mistakes we've made in the past.
1. 'Can they out outrun the opposition'? Ticks the intensity/physicality box.
2. 'Can they outplay the opposition'? Ticks the touch and technique box.
3. 'Can they outfight the opponent'? Ticks the strong mentality box.
I think that will then allow Erik ten Hag to mould the team in his image when it comes to implementing a playstyle, togetherness and strong mentality.
I'd say the criteria is such a broad lens it's essentially meaningless. What team in the world would refuse a player that matches it? That criteria is surely nothing to do with style or managers, everyone wants players good at everything.You're looking at things with a very narrow lense imo.
The criteria put forth is 3 conditions, which entail a broad spectrum of characteristics/attributes which fall into each category or condition. And if you already have a vision in your mind on how you want your team to play, then it's not difficult to find players for said vision/play-style.
Of course data analysis will play it's part, but if one doesn't have a criteria/guiding principle to follow, then you end up looking for a needle in the haystack, like Rangnick mentioned only recently. The Liverpool recruitment team under Rodgers was widely ridiculed but has excelled under Klopp.
Can you then tell me why the club signed the likes of Wan Bissaka and Maguire and what the plan was? Solskjaer said he wanted to press high like Jurgen before we made those signings. Do you think those players ticked boxes as far as helping Solskjaer press high in a high defensive line and play in the opponents half in a compact high-block?I'd say the criteria is such a broad lens it's essentially meaningless. What team in the world would refuse a player that matches it? That criteria is surely nothing to do with style or managers, everyone wants players good at everything.
Fact is, most of them ain't and it's the analysis that is important. We can all say X player is technical, lightening fast and has three lungs and is a great chap..until he's been here two years and he's evidently not what we thought. That's why it's a difficult job contrary to what you're saying, the judgment is by far the hardest bit as there are so many things that are difficult to predict. Especially as you start to recruit with a riskier profile of signing which many are advocating for to get better "value"
I dunno, I just don't find anything useful or informative in that tweet and to compare our players against it as if we didn't have some idea that being technical, physical or a good egg might be important seems facile. It reads like a prompt for an FM player rather than legitimate club information.
It sounds like normal procedure. Question: So is there (or who is) on the Club that in charge of establishing United "style", thus making sure that United are continuously scouting/getting players that will fit in this style regardless of the manager (that may come and go)? or what's the role of manager on this scouting?
I'm just thinking if United has learned a lesson to prevent Maguire and AWB like purchase, expensive players that most likely won't fit in with ETH's style.
I really like this ETH's appointment for what he's done at Ajax, and I hope he'll get whatever support he need. On the other side, leaving manager to get whatever players he wants that lead us into this mishmash team.
The recruitment process will be be led by Jose Mayorga and Mick Court. They're the recruitment experts and not Murtough or O'Boyle. Murtough comes into play at the very end and not at the identification process. So if anyone wants to run the rule over the recruitment experts, then look no further than Mayorga and Court and whoever else will be in a senior position in the recruitment department.
Mayorga was Head of scouting in South America and Spain for the club from what i've heard. The work below is of one of the United scouts (Gerardo Guzman) that worked under him in Spain.How are Mayorga and Court regarded? I know Liverpool went for Fallows/Hunter because of what they’d done at City and those two seem to have done a great job. What have Mayorga and Court done elsewhere? (they’ve not done much for United’s first team but that could be because of structural issues).
Wasn‘t Simon Wells OGS’s “personal scout”?
Evidently not. But that doesn't mean that they didn't know that being physically good, technical or good characters is useful so that's why I'm surprised we're impressed by this "new" criteria. Do we think that they said that AWB is crap at football, slow, and a total knob so let's buy him? These things have been known since football began, it's not as if it is incredible information found in a long, lost manual.Can you then tell me why the club signed the likes of Wan Bissaka and Maguire and what the plan was? Solskjaer said he wanted to press high like Jurgen before we made those signings. Do you think those players ticked boxes as far as helping Solskjaer press high in a high defensive line and play in the opponents half in a compact high-block?
It's not a scouting failure but a strategic failure. It was clear to anyone who understood modern day football principles that Wan Bissaka wasn't good enough to play in a team that had aspirations of playing in the opponent's half. Because in a high defensive line the fullback's role is to primarily contribute in attack, both in the build up phase and final third, and Wan Bissaka was never comfortable in that type of approach.Evidently not. But that doesn't mean that they didn't know that being physically good, technical or good characters is useful so that's why I'm surprised we're impressed by this "new" criteria. Do we think that they said that AWB is crap at football, slow, and a total knob so let's buy him? These things have been known since football began, it's not as if it is incredible information found in a long, lost manual.
When the scouting fails that makes the best laid strategy look bad, and what you are referencing isn't even a strategy, they are literally pointless bullet points that look made up. I just don't think recruitment can be trivialised in this way or described as easy. Especially since it depends on the context. Ours is a strict budget, very strong rivals, and a scale of club where mistakes are exacerbated by the microscope placed on signings. We're not exactly trying to recreate RB Leipzig where a half decent German side and saleable assets is enough so I really don't think Ralf has a clue how easy it should be.