That post match interview with our manager

[#07]

There must be a ton of people on the CAF who are under 30.

Its the wrap them in cotton wool treatment that got the club in this position in the first place.

We're indulging the egos of several players who think they are much better than they actually are. As long as we keep indulging them we'll stay at this same mediocre level.

 

[Minimalist]

I think if we were in Chelsea's league position, we'd be assuming he was leaving soon. Only that we've managed to finish in 2nd (or should do at least), we assume he can talk like this about his own players and get away with it.

 

[Minimalist]

There must be a ton of people on the CAF who are under 30.

Its the wrap them in cotton wool treatment that got the club in this position in the first place.

We're indulging the egos of several players who think they are much better than they actually are. As long as we keep indulging them we'll stay at this same mediocre level.

Ah yeah, it's all the young people making these daft decisions at the club.

 

[clumsy85]

Good manager would turn these 'shite' players into winners. Otherwise, wtf he's there managing.

Liverpool has the shitest midfield among the 'big' clubs in the world, and average defence, with further average Gk. But they are now in their 2nd Finals in European competitions they are in. And that's after selling one of their best attacker/player.

Is it really that easy?

 

[Adisa]

Cannot wait to see the back of him.

 

[The Firestarter]

I indeed fail to recall , has Mourinho ever taken the blame for a result ? Not just here , but during his entire career .

 

[Varun]

There must be a ton of people on the CAF who are under 30.

Its the wrap them in cotton wool treatment that got the club in this position in the first place.

We're indulging the egos of several players who think they are much better than they actually are. As long as we keep indulging them we'll stay at this same mediocre level.

Don't let the mega posts here confuse you. We're randomers who have nothing better to do on a Saturday night than post on a football forum and whatever we post here impacts feckall when it comes to how the club is actually run.

 

[RedMilo]

Very poor performance yesterday, you cant escape that, but you have to feel Mourinho has brought this on himself. As an example, Martial was POTM a few times and in good scoring form and then Sanchez is bought and he gets replaced. I would be pretty pissed at this situation if I was the best player in the team at that point in time on top form. He then brings in players like Darmian, Fellaini, Martial & Rashford, who haven't been played much at all recently and expects them to perform, then they have poor game and he publicly slates them whilst at the same time, trying to give us fans some kind of justification to his decision to play Lukaku all the time, its like unbelievable hypocrisy. The man has no class whatsoever, and he needs to be replaced this summer. Mourinho OUT!!!

 

[Adisa]

That said, these players deserve all the stick.

 

[breakout67]

You'll need to help me with the point you're making wrt the relevancy to the thread.

Caftards and the Manchester United manager having to behave differently and Caftards not being as good football managers as Jose Mourinho is what I got but I'm sure you're making a more relevant and less obvious one.

My point is that there is a clear lack of knowing your place from fans. A lack of humbleness and lots of brazen arrogance.

As an example, whenever Mourinho throws his players under the bus you'll inevitably have a poster talk about how it's 'bad management' as if they know what good football manaegment actually is.

Mourinho throws his players under the bus, I don't like it, but if we win stuff on the back of it, then who am I to question it.

 

[#07]

Ah yeah, it's all the young people making these daft decisions at the club.

People can't take the slightest criticism these days. Everything gets blown woefully out of proportion.

What was so special about Jose calling out the performance last night? Is he the first manager in history to do this?

You got a team of millionaires playing beneath themselves, blaming the manager for everything that goes wrong.

How many people work for a manager they absolutely and utterly adore? You're paid a salary, you get on with it. Most people, from my experience, don't expect their boss to be their surrogate Dad, their best friend, their confidant. They go to work, they get told what they need to do and they do it.

Its only the younger generation that seem unable to take any criticism at all who would find Jose having a pop so mind boggling.

Why should people be praised or protected for doing a hash job? If I do a bad job at work I get disciplined, if I do a really bad job I get official warnings, if I do a god awful job I get my marching orders. That's the real world. If our players can't take a little post match grief, which will probably be forgotten within a week, then they lack the mentality to play for Man Utd they really do.

 

[Minimalist]

People can't take the slightest criticism these days. Everything gets blown woefully out of proportion.

What was so special about Jose calling out the performance last night? Is he the first manager in history to do this?

You got a team of millionaires playing beneath themselves, blaming the manager for everything that goes wrong.

How many people work for a manager they absolutely and utterly adore? You're paid a salary, you get on with it. Most people, from my experience, don't expect their boss to be their surrogate Dad, their best friend, their confidant. They go to work, they get told what they need to do and they do it.

Its only the younger generation that seem unable to take any criticism at all who would find Jose having a pop so mind boggling.

Why should people be praised or protected for doing a hash job? If I do a bad job at work I get disciplined, if I do a really bad job I get official warnings, if I do a god awful job I get my marching orders. That's the real world. If our players can't take a little post match grief, which will probably be forgotten within a week, then they lack the mentality to play for Man Utd they really do.

And there it is. You think it has to be one extreme or the other. Ridiculous.

Jose can just say it's bad result and leave it at that. No need to making our players feel like shite.

 

[dpansheth]

umm.. I dont think any side is right or wrong. But what I can see is, we have changed three managers, but some players are constant in all these three regimes, and who have been questioned for their mentality to fight. One thing I always associated with Manchester United, is fighting spirit. I guess manager is responsible for that , and players are too. we have changed managers 3 times, lets see if we can swap some players out too. Smalling , Shaw, Martial, Mata, Jones, Rojo, Blind. You would also notice something else from these guys, they lack pace .yesterday it showed on the pitch after going down 1-0, I did not see any desperation on any of the players to win. lack of urgency some people say. It comes from within, external forces ( like managers or supporters ) can ignite, but passion comes from within. I dont see that in these players.Time to find those players. Sanchez is a good start.

 

[goin4glory]

About time someone called out the losers in our dressing room. He's spot on.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

People can't take the slightest criticism these days. Everything gets blown woefully out of proportion.

What was so special about Jose calling out the performance last night? Is he the first manager in history to do this?

You got a team of millionaires playing beneath themselves, blaming the manager for everything that goes wrong.

How many people work for a manager they absolutely and utterly adore? You're paid a salary, you get on with it. Most people, from my experience, don't expect their boss to be their surrogate Dad, their best friend, their confidant. They go to work, they get told what they need to do and they do it.

Its only the younger generation that seem unable to take any criticism at all who would find Jose having a pop so mind boggling.

Why should people be praised or protected for doing a hash job? If I do a bad job at work I get disciplined, if I do a really bad job I get official warnings, if I do a god awful job I get my marching orders. That's the real world. If our players can't take a little post match grief, which will probably be forgotten within a week, then they lack the mentality to play for Man Utd they really do.

Think if Jose took the blame sometimes people would not be as offended by him criticising players. Yes they deserve criticism, but sometimes it is down to him as well.

 

[#07]

And there it is. You think it has to be one extreme or the other. Ridiculous.

Jose can just say it's bad result and leave it at that. No need to making our players feel like shite.

If they're not already hurt by being crap against Brighton then they don't deserve any further consideration.

I was baffled by Harry Kane being 'sad' about some social media banter, but having seen the determination of some to wrap our failing players in cotton wool you can see why they're so soft.

This lot have their 'camp' and their 'entourage' filling their heads with air all day long. I'm surprised they can keep their feet on the ground with all that hot air between their ears.

And our fans want to encourage that.

 

[OldSchoolManc]

What if your manager is someone like David Brent, he doesn't do his job well, but blows his own trumpet every time, doesn't train them well but publicly berates them? Let's say you are young guy and quite new but the said manager doesn't train you well and you have no idea how to do the job properly but you still get publicly criticized in front of your peers for not doing the work properly. Would you still be be willing to give your 100% to such a guy? Or would you look for a new job?

Are you for real? Comparing Mourinho to David Brent?!
You do know he has a team of coaches? Some of these players obviously think their agent can get them a move to another top club, but the reality is that they are going to end up as another Januzaj or Memphis.
I’m fed up with these half assed efforts from so called potentially world class players.

 

[noodlehair]

I think you can get away with having a go at the players attitude to the press on the odd occasion, as it will likely get a positive reaction from them. There does kind of have to be merit to what you're saying, but with this set of players invariably there is. They can barely manage a game where they aren't easily out worked by the other team.

The problem with doing it as often as Jose does, is that firstly, it loses it's effect. If they know you're going to do it every time they lose or play badly, it's part and parcel of the whole thing, no different to anything else. Why would it get a reaction? It also raises questions over your ability as the manager to motivate them in the first place.

Secondly, it creates the perception that it has done on here, where you are doing it merely to shift blame or responsibility from yourself. It isn't helped when you're Jose Mourinho, and spend 90% of every fecking interview and press conference, pointlessly and aggressively defending yourself from every tiny possibility of criticism aimed at you, so when you do have a go about the players, it just immediately rings as another form of doing this.


There is definitely a problem with our work rate and general energy/intensity levels in games. I do think it's a two way thing here. It's not like the players tried for a while under Jose, and have given up. Right from when he took over, the stats were there showing we don't work hard enough, and this isn't something that Jose would encourage. It must be very frustrating as a manager when it's impossible to get your players to even put a shift in, and it must get to a point where yoou feel like hanging them out to dry every time this causes a pproblem or poor result. On the other hand, these stats only came into being when Jose took over. Under LVG, even though we were useless, we certainly worked hard. So there's no getting around that the lethargic performances are a byproduct of how we are set up to play under Mourinho. So in effect, it is a problem HE has to solve. If he can't he has to accept he needs to change something about his tactical approach to games. He can't just kkeep doing the same thing then blamming the players when he knows what's going to happen before it does.

 

[JohnnyLaw]

Weird how people bitch and moan about pretty much every single one of our players but our manager isn’t allowed to call them out for a shit performance without people bitching and moaning at him.

I don't think that's what's happening at all though, you can't just clump an entire forum, especially one as large as this into one single body.
People say that the players aren't putting in the effort which is so strange to me. I don't think there's anything wrong with the effort of the players but it's clear that a good number of them are playing with alot of anxiety and nerves. With the manager acting the way he is there's no wonder. Couple that with the inexperience of some of the players regularly under fire, and by most peoples admission the fact there doesn't seem to exist much direction for how we're supposed to attack and this is what you get.
Dysfunctional attacking play that only stands or falls by moments of brilliance or failures of the individuals. If that's how you want to play it then atleast you should try to encourage your players rather than diminish them through threats and public executions.
I find it even stranger that some just turn the other way and pretend that this is all happening in a vacuum. This isn't just any manager doing this, we have a manager who's infamous for creating conflicts and fallouts within his teams with some disasterous results too.

 

[simplyared]

We should have listened to Sir Bobby. He knows!

 

[breakout67]

Think if Jose took the blame sometimes people would not be as offended by him criticising players. Yes they deserve criticism, but sometimes it is down to him as well.

That's not his management style.

He does one of two things after a loss:

1) Says something ridiculous about events in the game, usually to do with the ref

2) Throws his plays under the bus

He has to have that untouchable status in the dressing room, you have to submit to him as the best thing since sliced bread.

 

[Swift Football]

I indeed fail to recall, has Mourinho ever taken the blame for a result ? Not just here , but during his entire career .

A difficult one for sure. He told to blame him after Sevilla but it dint look like he meant it and he actually prove that he dint mean it in next two press conferences. Indeed I cannot think of any other occassion where he took the blame at United.

One i can remember from top of my head is after Madrid's match against City. But the ratio of Jose's blame me to blame others must be something like 1:40.

 

[Minimalist]

If they're not already hurt by being crap against Brighton then they don't deserve any further consideration.

I was baffled by Harry Kane being 'sad' about some social media banter, but having seen the determination of some to wrap our failing players in cotton wool you can see why they're so soft.

This lot have their 'camp' and their 'entourage' filling their heads with air all day long. I'm surprised they can keep their feet on the ground with all that hot air between their ears.

And our fans want to encourage that.

That's the point exactly! They are bound to be annoyed/hurt by the result.

It's supposed to be a team - not pointing fingers at certain players. The whole team (bar one or two) was shite yesterday as unit. The idea the result was down to Rashford, Martial or whoever is not only wrong but fcuking ignorant.

 

[Camy89]

Don't really get the hate to be honest.

If I didn't do my job well then I'd hear about it and I'd make sure I improve for future. Why do people think footballers need to be wrapped in cotton wool and not have a bad word said about them?

They didn't do their job, so they should get a right kick up the ass.

If they want to be all snowflakey about it and say they've had their feelings hurt, get a grip. If they take it on board and it motivates them to work harder/longer and put more effort in, then good...you're a United player, so show us.

 

[elmo]

Very poor performance yesterday, you cant escape that, but you have to feel Mourinho has brought this on himself. As an example, Martial was POTM a few times and in good scoring form and then Sanchez is bought and he gets replaced. I would be pretty pissed at this situation if I was the best player in the team at that point in time on top form. He then brings in players like Darmian, Fellaini, Martial & Rashford, who haven't been played much at all recently and expects them to perform, then they have poor game and he publicly slates them whilst at the same time, trying to give us fans some kind of justification to his decision to play Lukaku all the time, its like unbelievable hypocrisy. The man has no class whatsoever, and he needs to be replaced this summer. Mourinho OUT!!!

And what? The incoming manager you want is still going to face the real issue that we have too many players who don't deserve to be at this club. The players are all up for it in the big games and just expect that all they need to do is turn up to win games against the smaller teams.

Get rid of the problem players and lets see what Jose does. He doesn't deserve to get sacked after what he has done this season, the same can't be said for some of the shit players we have in the squad.

 

[pocco]

There must be a ton of people on the CAF who are under 30.

Its the wrap them in cotton wool treatment that got the club in this position in the first place.

We're indulging the egos of several players who think they are much better than they actually are. As long as we keep indulging them we'll stay at this same mediocre level.

Yep. Time to wake up to this reality. Certain players would happily let another manager bite the bullet so they get another 2 years here on big wages.

Eventually we need to allow a manager to take these players to task, so why not now? People think Mourinho just suddenly forgot how to recognise good players, win games, etc. Maybe, just maybe, it's these players that have never proven themselves at the highest level just not being good enough? It's a bit less crazy a theory.

 

[Swift Football]

You would also notice something else from these guys, they lack pace .yesterday it showed on the pitch after going down 1-0, I did not see any desperation on any of the players to win. lack of urgency some people say. It comes from within, external forces ( like managers or supporters ) can ignite, but passion comes from within. I dont see that in these players.Time to find those players. Sanchez is a good start.

What do you think about Matic and Fellaini's performances yesterday? Do you think they showed urgency or desire? If they are also part of same problem, Why Jose like them and praise them often?

 

[simplyared]

Nothing

Don't really get the hate to be honest.

If I didn't do my job well then I'd hear about it and I'd make sure I improve for future. Why do people think footballers need to be wrapped in cotton wool and not have a bad word said about them?

They didn't do their job, so they should get a right kick up the ass.

If they want to be all snowflakey about it and say they've had their feelings hurt, get a grip. If they take it on board and it motivates them to work harder/longer and put more effort in, then good...you're a United player, so show us.

yeah giv em a good kick up the arse. Just don't do it in front of millions of people around the world

 

[pocco]

Don't really get the hate to be honest.

If I didn't do my job well then I'd hear about it and I'd make sure I improve for future. Why do people think footballers need to be wrapped in cotton wool and not have a bad word said about them?

They didn't do their job, so they should get a right kick up the ass.

If they want to be all snowflakey about it and say they've had their feelings hurt, get a grip. If they take it on board and it motivates them to work harder/longer and put more effort in, then good...you're a United player, so show us.

I agree and I said this earlier in the season. The bit in bold though, it's too late now for some players. They'll be available this summer should the right offer come in and Jose is happy he can get somebody better in.

 

[RedStarUnited]

What do you think about Matic and Fellaini's performances yesterday? Do you think they showed urgency or desire? If they are also part of same problem, Why Jose like them and praise them often?

Its like this sentence needs to repeated in every page.

The issue isn't just that Jose is slamming his players, its that he protects other players who aren't really doing anything either.

 

[simplyared]

And what? The incoming manager you want is still going to face the real issue that we have too many players who don't deserve to be at this club. The players are all up for it in the big games and just expect that all they need to do is turn up to win games against the smaller teams.

Get rid of the problem players and lets see what Jose does. He doesn't deserve to get sacked after what he has done this season, the same can't be said for some of the shit players we have in the squad.

You mean like he got rid of Salah, De Bruyne etc.

 

[pocco]

Its like this sentence needs to repeated in every page.

The issue isn't just that Jose is slamming his players, its that he protects other players who aren't really doing anything either.

What do you think about Matic and Fellaini's performances yesterday? Do you think they showed urgency or desire? If they are also part of same problem, Why Jose like them and praise them often?

Matic one of our best performers all season. Fellaini has been decent too.

We're talking about a whole season/two seasons here, not one game. Why would Mourinho single out Matic? You must be mad.

 

[pocco]

That's the point exactly! They are bound to be annoyed/hurt by the result.

It's supposed to be a team - not pointing fingers at certain players. The whole team (bar one or two) was shite yesterday as unit. The idea the result was down to Rashford, Martial or whoever is not only wrong but fcuking ignorant.

Mourinho works with these guys every day and he thinks they don't seem to dislike these results as much as they should. From what I've seen the last few years I can really believe this.

 

[Bearded One]

I see a number of folks on this thread are saying we should do away with him. Now who do you replace him with?? You take a Tuchel for example (I know he's off to PSG) and we begin to play a more expansive football but we are no better performance-wise ala Dortmund before he left. Would we want this? Please let's be patient with Jose.

 

[mattunited1978]

Agree with him and glad he said it. The majority of this squad are a digrace.

Im not his biggest fan but he's not coaching our defenders to shite therselves at the first sign of pressure , slicing clearences around our box like a comedy sketch when theyv actually got plenty of time to pick a pass. He's not coaching rashford to ignore his team mates continuously when theyr in a much better positions than him, he's not coaching martial to drift around the pitch, half arsed, lookin like he's got a strop on with the world, and i dont think anyone could coach someone with pogbas talent to be so useless so often.

Mourinhos far from perfect and his tactics arnt the most exciting but there isnt a manager or tactic in the world thats going to be successful when multi, multi million pound players cant string 2 or 3 simple, forward thinking passes together.

 

[vangagal]

We should have listened to Sir Bobby. He knows!

Like he know Moyes is the best for United and should stick 6 years with him?

 

[Swift Football]

Matic one of our best performers all season. Fellaini has been decent too.

We're talking about a whole season/two seasons here, not one game. Why would Mourinho single out Matic? You must be mad.

Matic has been good over the season - yes, Fellaini - No, but he was good last season.

I am not making point that Jose should single out Matic. I am making point that it cannot be coincidence that some 6 players are having a mare in the same game. And like many people mention here even when his favorites are playing, we performed equally poorly in some game.

I am not trying to blame one party or the other - but trying to see what is the way out of this. This season, City had 2 losses as compared to ours 7. Do you really believe that we can go near to City's level by just signing few new players ( who could easily be mercenaries/crocs/not good enough). How can you be so sure that these new players would be like robots and perform excellent every game. If they dont and have season like that of Matic ( most of the times good , but few poor games) , then how do you think we will improve? ( i wanted to say how do you think we will reach near City's level, but dont want to compare against them but rather talk about improving ourselves)

 

[clarkydaz]

A difficult one for sure. He told to blame him after Sevilla but it dint look like he meant it and he actually prove that he dint mean it in next two press conferences. Indeed I cannot think of any other occassion where he took the blame at United.

my recollection of the Sevilla defeat was he said they are a more potent European side than us currently, and Man United going out at that stage is no suprise

 

[Isotope]

Is it really that easy?

Nope. That's why they get paid very well.

 

[Minimalist]

Matic one of our best performers all season. Fellaini has been decent too.

We're talking about a whole season/two seasons here, not one game. Why would Mourinho single out Matic? You must be mad.

What on earth are you on about? He's played less minutes than Sanchez who arrived in January.

He can't have done so much in those minutes to be called 'decent'.