Test draft - The Grand Finale - Interval vs Mani

Who will win the test series?

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Interval said:
I agree with Mani that he has 3 intimidating bowlers but I have 4; and 4 with much greater variety; see the last video with Warne = that is a truly scared batsman; Gilly laughing :lol:

So most people remember Pollock as this mid-70s pace bowler wih nagging accuracy because the latter part of his career was like that.

But for most of his career, he had pace (not tearaway but 80s), bounce, accuracy and could seam the ball either ways. In seaming conditions, he's probably amongst the deadliest bowlers in this draft
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But unfortunate that he's up against two technically best batsmen Boycott and Sunil Gavaskar:) and Lara to follow.
 
Mani said:
Lower order does not stand up against each other bowling and that's what I said in the beginning as well.Also its not i said something against pollock, the lower order in general and no lower order can stay there to produce the long innings.

In regards to both set of bowlers and going into stats,where my bowling combo of has a better strike rate compared to yours.

Strike rate

Waqar : 43.40
Donald: 47.00
Holding :50.90

compared it with yours

Wasim : 56.60
Imran : 53.70
Pollock : 57.80

It clearly says that my bowling combo comparatively took leasers balls to dismiss vs yours bowling combo.
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Finn has a lower strike rate than Holding, Wasim, Imran, Pollock; as does Ryan Harris; as does Malinga and as does Mitch Johnson and as does Darren Gough. What's your point? Aren't averages a better reflection since it indicates runs given for wickets taken?

Also, funny how you leave the fourth bowler out of that every time; try putting up those so that you can see like for like
 
Interval said:
Finn has a lower strike rate than Holding, Wasim, Imran, Pollock; as does Ryan Harris; as does Malinga and as does Mitch Johnson and as does Darren Gough. What's your point? Aren't averages a better reflection since it indicates runs given for wickets taken?

Also, funny how you leave the fourth bowler out of that every time; try putting up those so that you can see like for like
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Because in test matches its wickets that matters and not the runs.
Also Malinga's record is not shabby either which stood at 51.5
 
Mani said:
Because in test matches its wickets that matters and not the runs.
Also Malinga's record is not shabby either which stood at 51.5
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Arey but you're still counting runs, right? Not the number of overs you can bat? Malinga has a better strike rate than both Warne and Murali and Wasim. That by itself should be evidence enough;

If you bat 100 overs and score 200 all out because my bowlers can get you out only in 100 overs, its alright if yours lets me score 225 in 75 overs
 
Interval said:
Averages

Holding: 24; Donald: 22; Waqar: 24; Mushy: 33

vs

Imran: 23; Polloc: 23; Akram: 24; Warne 25
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Again not much separate's between these.

Spoony said:
Averages are a better indication of the quality of a bowler.
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Wasn't these averages are measured considered runs given by bowler against wickets taken?
In test bowler can give away few runs and still can knock of few wickets at end and still wkts that counts ain't?
 
Mani said:
Again not much separate's between these.
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You're missing out on Warne vs Mushy :) That's a huge gap. The difference in batting avg of Jaya and Sunny is 10 to give you context.

Anywho, I have a bad chest infection (never a good time for a smoker) so I'm going to need to sleep this off. I've mostly made my arguements - I bat deeper, better bowling with more variety and the charm of having Imran, Wasim and Warne in one team. I'll just tag those who typically vote and head off. Best of luck, Mani. Have a good one.

@crappycraperson @KM @MJJ @Raees @Skills
 
Interval said:
You're missing out on Warne vs Mushy :) That's a huge gap. The difference in batting avg of Jaya and Sunny is 10 to give you context.

Anywho, I have a bad chest infection (never a good time for a smoker) so I'm going to need to sleep this off. I've mostly made my arguements - I bat deeper, better bowling with more variety and the charm of having Imran, Wasim and Warne in one team. I'll just tag those who typically vote and head off. Best of luck, Mani. Have a good one.

@crappycraperson @KM @MJJ @Raees @Skills
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It's my batting vs your bowler and not hw way you see it
My batsmens starting from opener to middle order are good players or spin.
And Mushy is not slouch either.
Anyway I'm also done with this.
Good game @Interval good night.
 
The fast bowling trio is pretty similar at best for me with interval maybe edging it.

Imran is just as dangerous as holding was. Wasim is quite clearly the superior bowler to Waqar and Donald is better than pollock.

Spin sees only one winner frankly.

Batting as people said Jayasuriya and bairstow are weaklinks but even Akram was actually a good batsman so I suppose intervals team will be difficult to dismiss.

I'll go for 2-1 interval as I believe mani s batting is better for the first test but interval has better users of swing and reverse swing (sultan and Imran vs Waqar. Plus I think Waqar couldn't swing both ways like Wasim could? I remember Saurav Ganguly saying this on tv once)
 
prath92 said:
Imran is just as dangerous as holding was. Wasim is quite clearly the superior bowler to Waqar and Donald is better than pollock.
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This info might surprise you, but Waqar has a superior record to Wasim Akram in tests. He was a beast in Test Cricket, but Akram gets more praise since he is more in the limelight than his partner.
 
Ijazz17 said:
This info might surprise you, but Waqar has a superior record to Wasim Akram in tests. He was a beast in Test Cricket, but Akram gets more praise since he is more in the limelight than his partner.
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Maybe so but every single batsman who faced them rate Akram as the superior bowler. In swing friendly pitches, it was extremely difficult to pick Akram s ball movement as he could hold the ball like he is about to bowl in swinger but it will go away from the batsman. Also Waqar was more reliant on pace than Wasim was.
 
prath92 said:
Maybe so but every single batsman who faced them rate Akram as the superior bowler. In swing friendly pitches, it was extremely difficult to pick Akram s ball movement as he could hold the ball like he is about to bowl in swinger but it will go away from the batsman. Also Waqar was more reliant on pace than Wasim was.
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I disagree. If you consider Cricket in general, I would agree with you, but once you seperate Test Matches and ODI's, you get a different story. One of the reasons so many talk about Akram is because of his persona, his character, so everything else get amped up as well. But I think in Tests, Waqar is clearly the better bowler. He wasn't about just pace, he had tremendous control over his deliveries. I mean, what other bowler can do this at the speeds he did.

 
Also, I am a bit disappointed @Interval didn't provide a detailed write up like @Mani did. While the batting tilts the series in Mani's favour, the bowling kind of tilts it back in Interval's favour.
 
coolredwine said:
Also, I am a bit disappointed @Interval didn't provide a detailed write up like @Mani did. While the batting tilts the series in Mani's favour, the bowling kind of tilts it back in Interval's favour.
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Sorry, CRW. I haven't been giving a detailed write up because people just don't read it. You're the first person in 5 odd matches who's asked for it. And yes, Jaya is Sanath Jayasuriya.

Ijazz17 said:
This info might surprise you, but Waqar has a superior record to Wasim Akram in tests. He was a beast in Test Cricket, but Akram gets more praise since he is more in the limelight than his partner.
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prath92 said:
Maybe so but every single batsman who faced them rate Akram as the superior bowler. In swing friendly pitches, it was extremely difficult to pick Akram s ball movement as he could hold the ball like he is about to bowl in swinger but it will go away from the batsman. Also Waqar was more reliant on pace than Wasim was.
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Personal preference for Wasim simply because it was hard to read which way the ball was going to swing and used to outwit batsmen quite often. I found a decent article that says Waqar was slightly better though - apparently they hated each other off-the-field

http://www.wellpitched.com/2013/11/wasim-akram-vs-waqar-younis-statistical.html
 
ffs missed voting. Would have voted for Interval though...
 
Akshay said:
Congratulations @Interval, about time we had a non aldo Test draft winner!

Commiserations @Mani, liked your team, especially bowlers, from the first round, very worthy final contender.

Thanks @Varun for modding all this despite being busy with other things.
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Thanks, Akshay.

Thanks to @Mani and everyone else who particpated and those who voted for me.

Much thanks to @Varun who has been excellent
 
Interval said:
Thanks, Akshay.

Thanks to @Mani and everyone else who particpated and those who voted for me.

Much thanks to @Varun who has been excellent
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Akshay said:
Congratulations @Interval, about time we had a non aldo Test draft winner!

Commiserations @Mani, liked your team, especially bowlers, from the first round, very worthy final contender.

Thanks @Varun for modding all this despite being busy with other things.
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Cheers guys! :)
 
Interval said:
:lol: Isn't this the second time around you missed?
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Ya yours, both times you had tagged, both time I saw the deadline and thought, ya I have time to read through little more and then vote :D
I have missed voting in some other matches too in this draft.
 
Think Interval won this, but would've voted for him anyway. Good team.
 
@Interval congratulations mate, well deserved. @Mani.. thought you had a cracking side mate - very unfortunate but if you had a spinner it would have made the difference.
 
Raees said:
@Interval congratulations mate, well deserved. @Mani.. thought you had a cracking side mate - very unfortunate but if you had a spinner it would have made the difference.
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Agree there, I did have a spinner but not in the elite core.Interval had good variation in Saqlain and Warne.
 
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