Yeah, bang average is a tad harsh tbf. Lets just say he isnt as good as his numbers suggest which are stacked by playing in the subcontinent. He's terrible on pitches which have anything for pacers, let alone quality ones where he'd find it tough even on decent tracks.
Test draft Match 5 - NM vs Prath
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Yeah, bang average is a tad harsh tbf. Lets just say he isnt as good as his numbers suggest which are stacked by playing in the subcontinent. He's terrible on pitches which have anything for pacers, let alone quality ones where he'd find it tough even on decent tracks.
He is bang average. Sorry. He won't last a minute against Hadlee IMO.
I have one all rounder, arguably the 2nd or 3rd best ever. Pollock and Gillespie are bowlers. I don't see how I have a long tail IMO. Most teams bat till 7, with 4 bowlers. My 8 can bat, and my 9 and 10 aren't gimmes.
Not sure I'd agree with that, and I like Streak! He will always be underrated because he played for Zim. The only player who escapes that is Andy Flower (I know I'm arguing against my team, but oh well)
Hadlee 27. Pollock 2 too. Don't discount him. If people are discounting Hadlee the batsman, then I give up. I guess most of the cricketing world was wrong about him.
Gillespie has 201 against Bangladesh too. Honestly, I would classify Hadlee as being able to contribute, and Akram, and not the others as much.
He has centuries against all test playing countries. Other than India, you could say most have fast bowlers of a decent quality. Most of them aren't any worse than Gillespie southee and all either (Johnson, steyn, Zaheer, Lee are all around the same level imo)
Can you post his stats vs SA in SA and vs Aus in Aus please?
Nice read ,thanks parth.
He averages 35 in Australia. He averages poorly in SA (27 or so).
Anyway I was talking about good batting tracks. Like the ones in SL
Yeah, I suppose that's a fair point. But your keeper is opening the innings as well, though he is one of the better batsmen to have kept wickets. So, it makes your batting look a touch light-weight on first impressions.
Yeah, fair enough. I hadn't given Hadlee enough props which is why I was a bit doubtful.
Yeah, he's good in the subcontinent, that's what I was saying. He'd be hopeless in the 3rd test and his contributions in the other 2 would depend on how early he comes in to bat. Even on good tracks, I wouldnt trust him to do much if he's in early vs quality pacers.
He averages 27 in SA and NZ. 31 in Aus and 35 in Eng. @prath92 Name another top player with that record.
n Australia 2004-2013 31.42
in England 1998-2014 35.81
in New Zealand 2005-2006 27.71
in South Africa 2000-2012 27.87
in Sri Lanka 1997-2014 59.72
He survived bcause of SL and the sub continent
He averages 27 with the bat. That's well below average. It falls firmly into the category of "May score a few but most likely won't." Is there any reason his average should be ignored.
Even prior averages 38 31 and 22 in eng, Aus and SA. So why would he be any different against Akram and all? I generally consider above 30 to mean that they play well in the region and below 30 to be not that good for a regular batsman. I don't expect everyone to be averaging 50 everywhere unless they are GOATs like Sachin or Lara.
Not necessary to be,but to me average anywhere between 40-50 in most of the condition can be treated as decent batsmen considering the bowling line up they had come across.
My cut-off is 35-38 but that's a personal preference. I never made Prior out to be a great. I just said probably better than Iqbal but don't know enough about him. Iqbal was pretty gash in India, was he a bad player of spin?
@prath92 FYI you DO have a very good team. It's a shame one of us has to go home
Initial thoughts are I back Prath's bowling attack to find more chinks in NM's batsmen then the other way around. I think each sides batting line up is pretty equal so it comes down to the bowling. I'm on my phone leaving work so I'll revisit and vote later.
Can you expand on the equal batting?
I see it this way:
Boycott>Hayden
Anwar >> Keeper Stewart
Jones = Trott
Chappell >>> Jayawardene
Cullinan << Smith
Prior>Iwbal
Hadlee>Akram
If only one side had NM's batting and Prath's bowling, voting would have been so much easier
Come on guys, my bowling isn't that much inferior. This is one of the first times I was satisfied with my bowling.
Garner is the best bowler here. Akram and Hadlee are about even. Then Pollock and Gillespie are the next two best quicks. I also have a spinner who will be useful in all conditions. Was Bedi? I genuinely don't know.
Even if I do agree Underwood>Bedi, and that is purely based on stats in different countries, it's the opening bowling pair of Prath because of which his bowling is looking this good. And also, that you have 1 spinner
Garner and Akram is a lethal pairing, to be fair. Imagine opening to those two, no respite at all.
Imagine Geoff Boycott faving them. Probably the best opener from the last 50 years (maybe other than Gavaskar) to do it
Yeah cracking opener but I think he'd struggle with Garner's height at one end and Akram's left arm pace and swing from the other. As for Garner, Hadlee and Akram....There's not much between them, if push came to shove I'd have Akram, Hadlee then Garner - in that order. Folk forget how great Hadlee was. I'd have no qualms with anyone putting him in front of Akram either. But yeah three great great bowlers.
Garner was unplayable according to none other than boycott. Dean Jones once tried to drive him and he calls that a huge mistake. Garner was hard to play especially through the cover.
Akram is needless to say. Very few could play him as well.
Behind him even duds could suffice but streak and reiffel are more than capable of supporting well.
Akram is needless to say. Very few could play him as well.
Behind him even duds could suffice but streak and reiffel are more than capable of supporting well.
Jayawardene being ineffective isn't happening in spin pitches and flat wickets where he has scored loads of runs.
I think my strong batting outweghs his better bowling, but it looks like the majority don't agree. Tough one for me honestly, but oh well!
He faced the likes of Zaheer and Srinath on flat tracks. Now he will face Hadlee, Underwood and Gillespie. Different opposition.
He would have faced steyn Johnson Lee Ntini. Hardly different to Gillespie and southee
Plus he is an excellent player of spin so I'm not sure underwood is really going to worry him that much especially without any spinner to put pressure on the other end.
I'd rate Gillespie above all 3 of those rated there. Lee and Mitch are IMO overrated as test bowlers. I love Ntini though, he was very good.
Johnsons asset was his ability to choke batsmen with pace and accuracy. Gillespie was very good with McGrath but couldn't dominate batsmen like Johnson did. In the 2005 ashes or so, I remember Michael Vaughan and Bell treated Gillespie like he was a part time bowler.
Johnson was very good post 2009 or so onwards. Once McGrath and warne retired, him Siddle and Harris were their main wicket taking bowlers
I've never seen Johnson as accurate (why are we arguing about him though?) The incident you are refering to was in Gillespie's final years, when he reconfigured his run up due to injury. It's why he retired. I also think you read it off cricinfo and didn't remember it
I've never seen Johnson as accurate (why are we arguing about him though?) The incident you are refering to was in Gillespie's final years, when he reconfigured his run up due to injury. It's why he retired. I also think you read it off cricinfo and didn't remember it
I remembered reading it
I think Chandrasekhar was the leader of the trio in away conditions, but Bedi wasn't bad either.
@syrian_scholes care to explain the 3-0 vote (with the exception of I stopped caring about the basketball)
did you win the basketball?
Lost the final by 1 vote.