Test draft - 1st QF - Interval vs Akshay

Who will win the test series?


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Welcome to the 1st QF of the test draft!

  • Judge the players on their peaks excluding any 6-12 month purple patch.
  • Vote for the team you think will win a 3 match test series between these 2 sides based on the given nature of pitches.
  1. 1st test: Good batting pitch.
  2. 2nd test: Slow wicket which gets worse as the game goes on and will assist spinners heavily.
  3. 3rd test: Green top
Team Akshay:

Sehwag
Graham Gooch
David Gower
Graeme Pollock
Zaheer Abbas
Misbah-ul-Haq
Ian Healy
Shane Warne
Curtly Ambrose
Dale Steyn
Angus Fraser (replaced by Ashwin for 2nd Test, who will bat at 8)

Team Interval:


1. Greenidge
2. Jayasuriya
3. Kallis
4. Tendulkar
5. Border
6. Laxman
7. Bairstow
8. Shaun Pollock
9. Mitch Johnson
10. Saqlain (for spin/ batting track); Boult for pace track
11. Chandrasekhar
 
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Interval Write up:

1. Greenidge
2. Jayasuriya
3. Kallis
4. Tendulkar
5. Border
6. Laxman
7. Bairstow
8. Shaun Pollock
9. Mitch Johnson
10. Saqlain (for spin/ batting track); Boult for pace track
11. Chandrasekhar

Strategy
: Win the spin track match. Warne is better than my spinners. But Chandra and Saqlain are better than Ashwin. My batting is way more superior. The only relatively poor batsman (vs the remaining who are amongst the best in their positions) is Jayasuriya who thrives on slow pitches. I bat till number 8.

Try and win the batting track. Try and draw the pace ptch by just playing out the first few days ( have the batting to do so). Before people underestimate by bowling, note that I have three great bowlers - Pollock, Chandra and Saqlain. His are better (no doubt) but not exorbitantly so.

Good luck to Akshay.
 
Akshay write up:

XI:

Virender Sehwag
Graham Gooch
David Gower
Graeme Pollock
Zaheer Abbas
Misbah-ul-Haq
Ian Healy
Shane Warne
Curtly Ambrose
Dale Steyn
Angus Fraser (replaced by Ashwin for 2nd Test, who will bat at 8)

Batting:

Virender Sehwag (AVG: 49)
A destructive opener with a strike rate in the 80s, Sehwag is an unpredictable batsman who can also be his own worst enemy. On a flat wicket he is a bowler's nightmare, and while he's also very capable on turning tracks he can sometimes be found out against quality fast bowlers on seaming surfaces.

Graham Gooch (AVG: 42)
One of the best openers of this draft's period, Gooch's average may not look so impressive but needs to be taken in the context of the bowling attacks he faced.

He played over a third of his Tests against Australia, playing through Dennis Lillee's peak years and averaging 33 against them. He also played almost a quarter of his Tests against the West Indies, first featuring Marshall-Holding-Garner-Croft in their peak, and then followed by Ambrose-Walsh. Throughout all that, he managed an average of 45 against them.

He was also successful against spin, averaging 56 in his Tests against India (featuring the spin quartet), and 40 in the subcontinent overall. He made 83 in his only Test featuring Chandrasekhar.

David Gower (AVG: 44)
Gooch's partner-in-crime, Gower was an elegant left hander who at times made batting seem effortless. Like Sehwag, he liked to play his strokes and could end up risking his wicket in the process. Like Gooch, he faced many fearsome pace and spin attacks and came out with his reputation intact.

In direct contrast to Gooch, however, Gower found more success against the Australians with an average of 45 but fared less well against the West Indies, averaging 33. He had tremendous success in the subcontinent averaging 57 there, and overall averaged 45 against India's spinners. He made 200* in his only Test featuring Chandrasekhar.

Graeme Pollock (AVG: 61)
One of the best left-handers in cricketing history (along with Garry Sobers), Graeme Pollock made his Test debut at the tender age of only 19. Understandably his first few Tests were not a big success, as he recorded a pair against Australia on his debut. In fact if his first two years of Test cricket are ignored his average soars to above 70.

However, because his career was unfortunately cut short at just 26 due to the apartheid era Graeme Pollock did not have the opportunity to face several bowling attacks in their prime in sanctioned Test matches, although he did very well against the likes of Richie Benaud, Graham McKenzie, John Snow, and David Allen. Almost all his Tests (excluding 1 against NZ) were against Australia and England, both strong sides at the time.

Zaheer Abbas
(AVG: 45)
A fluent stroke-player with immense concentration levels, Abbas' Test career spanned from 1969 to 1985, allowing him to face a wide variety of quality bowling opposition. He was known as an excellent player of spin, averaging 87 against India. In India's tour of Pakistan in 1978, he made scores of 176, 96, 235*, 34*, and 42. These are the only matches in which he faced Chandrasekhar.

He did have his struggles against some top pace bowlers, such as Hadlee's New Zealand and the Marshall-Holding-Garner-Croft West Indies, both of whom against he averaged only 18. On the other hand, he averaged 44 against an Australia featuring Lillee and Thomson, and 51 against England, first spearheaded by Bob Willis and then later by Ian Botham.

Misbah-ul-Haq (AVG: 49)
A gritty battler and very capable of leading a rearguard batting display if it should prove necessary. Defensively solid and consistent, Misbah does not give away his wicket easily, earning him the nickname of 'Tuk Tuk'. He's averaged over 42 against all Test nations except Australia (38). Although he's played most of his Tests in Asia, he's done reasonably well whenever he has played in other conditions, averaging 42 in Africa (6 Tests) and 37 in Oceania (7 Tests). He scored 114 (and a duck!) in England just four days ago, to date his only Test match there.

Ian Healy (AVG: 27)
One of Australia's best keepers of the 20th century (in competition with Rod Marsh), averaging two catches per innings and a stumping every six. He kept wicket to quicks like Hughes and McGrath, but gained special renown for his acrobatic keeping to Shane Warne, with c Healy b Warne becoming a regular highlight on the scorecards. His earlier struggles with the bat notwithstanding, he was also a very useful batsman in his prime from 93-98, during which he scored 3000 runs at an average of 35.

Bowling:

Sir Curtly Ambrose (405 wickets, AVG: 21.0)
A 6'7 giant with a release point almost 10 feet off the ground, Ambrose could get bounce on any kind of wicket. He also had incredible control, displayed for example when the Windies toured England in 1991. Despite the series being played on slow wickets, Ambrose finished as the top bowler with 28 wickets at an average of 20. Of course when the conditions were helpful he took full advantage and was often unplayable, such as Perth 1993, where he collected 7 wickets for the price of 1 run in the space of 32 deliveries. Overall, Ambrose's blend of pace, bounce and control notched him 22 five-fors during his career, often turning a match on its head in the process.

Dale Steyn (406 wickets, AVG: 22.5)
The ability to swing the ball both ways with accuracy and extreme pace (his fastest ball was 156km/h) makes Steyn an ideal complement to Ambrose. He has the best strike rate (41.7) of any bowler with 100+ wickets since WWI, a number made even more staggering by the fact that Steyn has bowled entirely in the 21st century, ostensibly the era of batsmen and batting friendly pitches. Reverse swing and consistent line and length on slow subcontinental wickets thought to be seamer unfriendly has allowed him tremendous success there, as he's taken 90 wickets at 22.5 in Asia.

Angus Fraser (177 wickets, AVG: 27.3) [1st and 3rd Tests]
Regarded as one of the best medium pace bowlers after Terry Alderman, Fraser was a line and length bowler, relying on a consistent stock offswinging delivery. His parsimonious economy of 2.66 earned him the nickname of 'Scrooge'. He was also a capable wicket-taker in his own right, such as in his 6-82 against Australia at the MCG and two 8 wicket hauls against the West Indies.

Despite his lack of genuine pace and reliance on swing, he did fairly well on flat decks that didn't offer much assistance to bowlers. In India's 1990 tour of England, the 3 Test series resulted in 5 declarations and 6 scores of 400+. Fraser took 16 wickets at an average of 29 against a batting lineup featuring Shastri, Manjrekar, Vengsarkar, Azharuddin, and Tendulkar, finishing as easily the best bowler of the series.

Shane Warne (708 wickets, AVG: 25.4)
One of the greatest spinners of all time, and certainly the best legspinner, Warne has proven himself equally adept in all conditions. Ball of the century, yada yada yada. He also played a large role in reviving the art of legspin, picking up from where Abdul Qadir left off.

Ravichandran Ashwin (176 wickets, AVG: 25.4) [Replaces Fraser for the 2nd Test]
An accomplished offspinner, Ashwin is a matchwinner on turning pitches. In the subcontinent his average improves to 20.5 with a strike rate of just 44, in fact only Imran Khan has a better average in Asia (among bowlers with 100+ wickets in Asia). He's also a credible batsman, with an average of 32 and two Test centuries to his name.

Match Ups:

Sehwag is the only one of my batsmen who has faced any of my opponent's bowlers outside Chandrasekhar. Here are the stats when facing attacks including one of those four:

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M stands for matches, D for dismissals by that bowler. Avg indicates the average scored by Sehwag in matches involving that bowler.

My Bowlers vs Opposition Batsmen

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M is for Test matches, D is for dismissals, and Avg is the average the batsman scored in games against the bowler. A high dismissals/matches and low average suggests the bowler was good at eliminating the batsman, while a low dismissals/matches and high average suggests the batsman held the advantage in meetings between the two.

Ashwin has barely faced any of my opponent's batsmen (1 solitary Test v Kallis) so I have not included him.
 
"Try and draw the pace ptch by just playing out the first few days"
How many pace pitches have gone with draw mate? I never remember(at least to my memory) any pace pitch gone on without result.
 
I haven't followed all the discussions in previous rounds of this draft but the 2nd test shouldn't be all about spinners imo. Certain pacers can be very useful on a slow pitch which gets worse, particularly in 2nd innings.
 
"Try and draw the pace ptch by just playing out the first few days"
How many pace pitches have gone with draw mate? I never remember(at least to my memory) any pace pitch gone on without result.
I get confused with this pitch thing. But the way I thought of it was that if the spin pitch is good for batsmen for the first couple of days and then steadily deteriorates, the vice-versa should be true for the pace pitches, right? Unless the spin pitch s a dust bowl.

It should be even
 
Classic strong batting team v strong bowling team here. Both incredible lineups.. will wait to see which one of you argues your case here as it seems a tough one to call.
 
I get confused with this pitch thing. But the way I thought of it was that if the spin pitch is good for batsmen for the first couple of days and then steadily deteriorates, the vice-versa should be true for the pace pitches, right? Unless the spin pitch s a dust bowl.

It should be even
Pace/swing pitches gives you enough for pace bowlers for first 2-3 days and might be even get deadlier on 4 and 5th day as pitch get wear and tear,as odd balls keeps low and uneven bounce.There where few games on pace pitches which had given result in first few days.In regards to spin pitches yes as you said and few pitches( recently few of the Indian pitches especially) started to turn on day two or so.
 
Pace/swing pitches gives you enough for pace bowlers for first 2-3 days and might be even get deadlier on 4 and 5th day as pitch get wear and tear,as odd balls keeps low and uneven bounce.
Depends, I would say. Pace and Swing wickets are not interchangeable as well. A green top will not deteriorate alarmingly and by end of 2-3 days. The grass will help to keep the pitch together longer.
 
Depends, I would say. Pace and Swing wickets are not interchangeable as well. A green top will not deteriorate alarmingly and by end of 2-3 days. The grass will help to keep the pitch together longer.
Agree with this as well, good wkts remains same for all 5 days,especially well prepared one.
 
@Akshay no discussion?

Heres some food to chew on. Tell me what you think? My batting on an average consistently outscores yours. I think my bowling is severly being underrated here. Pollock is up there in the best bowlers category. Chandra and Saqlain are amongst the best spinners (a tier lower to Murali and Warne). On any pitch, a batting line up on Greenidge (the best opener in the draft), Jaya, Kallis, Tendulkar, Border (the latter three are .. ugh GOATs) and Laxman (possibly amongst the best for his position) are going to be hellishly difficult to get out for 2 innings especially as most bar the openers are known to do very well when shit hits the fan. Bairstow is better (atleast not worse) than Healy. Pollock can bat too.

 
I haven't followed all the discussions in previous rounds of this draft but the 2nd test shouldn't be all about spinners imo. Certain pacers can be very useful on a slow pitch which gets worse, particularly in 2nd innings.
I agree. His pace combo of Ambrose and Steyn is better than mine of Pollock and Johnson on both type of pitches. However, the gap is less stark in continents like Oceania and Africa
 
I believe the first Test would be a draw. Your batting line up is very strong and I think any attack would struggle to take it out. Don't think you have good enough bowlers to take 20 wickets there either.

In the second Test, I think I can outscore you. Gooch, Gower, and especially Abbas have solid records against the Indian spinners (of whom I think Chandrasekhar was second-best, to Bedi) and Pollock did very well in many Tests against Richie Benaud. Mushtaq is not as good as Chandrasekhar anyway, so I don't think your spinners have what it takes to trouble my middle order. Sehwag and Misbah are quite good on slow wickets as well.

On the flip-side, Warne has the quality to take the wicket of any batsman, and the assistance from the wicket won't hurt. As others have pointed out, bowlers who swing the ball like Steyn can also have a big impact on such pitches, and Steyn has an excellent record in the subcontinent to back that up. Ashwin is shit on normal pitches but quite good on turners, so I expect him to contribute as well. Ambrose also has a good subcontinental record. I think the key wicket would be that of Tendulkar. Obviously your batsmen are very good, I still expect you to be able to get 300 or so, I just think we can score more than that.

The third Test is interesting. Your batsmen are stroke-players, as are mine, so I don't really see the game grinding out to a draw. Think one side or the other will win it.

(Btw, can't agree on Greenidge being the best opener in the draft. One of the best of a few after Gavaskar, though.)
 
A real tough one.

Jayasuriya won't last too long with Akshay's bowling lineup but the rest of the top 6 is absolutely immense. Also, in Laxman Interval has someone who can take Warne to the cleaners not to mention Sachin. And Sachin was fantastic the last time we toured SA (scored 3 100's iirc with Steyn at the top of his game). A couple of quick wickets and Akshay's team could be struggling imo.

Leaning ever so slightly towards Interval but 1-1 is probably a likely result.
 
First test draw. Interval's batting is way too strong, almost ideal middle order. Akshay's batting is good too and should do enough to not lose first test.

Second test: Warne > Saqlain =~ Chandrasekhar > Ashwin. Now this is overall as a bowler but if we look into conditions, these are exact conditions where Ashwin thrives and is almost unplayable on occasions. He is hopeless otherwise but he is not playing in other conditions. So spin department almost cancels each other out for me in terms of ability on the kind of pitch described. Depends how the respective batting lineups fair in spinning conditions and how pacers on both sides exploit these conditions.

Third test: Akshay to nick this. Interval's bowlers are good, Boult should be fantastic on a green top but Mitch Johnson less so. Johnson's main weapon was pace and had more success in Australia and South Africa conditions. Should do OK but won't be a terrifying threat.

Need to make up my mind on who will win 2nd test. If I go with Interval and it is 1-1, will have to think of a winner for first test I guess.
 
I believe the first Test would be a draw. Your batting line up is very strong and I think any attack would struggle to take it out. Don't think you have good enough bowlers to take 20 wickets there either.

In the second Test, I think I can outscore you. Gooch, Gower, and especially Abbas have solid records against the Indian spinners (of whom I think Chandrasekhar was second-best, to Bedi) and Pollock did very well in many Tests against Richie Benaud. Mushtaq is not as good as Chandrasekhar anyway, so I don't think your spinners have what it takes to trouble my middle order. Sehwag and Misbah are quite good on slow wickets as well.

On the flip-side, Warne has the quality to take the wicket of any batsman, and the assistance from the wicket won't hurt. As others have pointed out, bowlers who swing the ball like Steyn can also have a big impact on such pitches, and Steyn has an excellent record in the subcontinent to back that up. Ashwin is shit on normal pitches but quite good on turners, so I expect him to contribute as well. Ambrose also has a good subcontinental record. I think the key wicket would be that of Tendulkar. Obviously your batsmen are very good, I still expect you to be able to get 300 or so, I just think we can score more than that.

The third Test is interesting. Your batsmen are stroke-players, as are mine, so I don't really see the game grinding out to a draw. Think one side or the other will win it.

(Btw, can't agree on Greenidge being the best opener in the draft. One of the best of a few after Gavaskar, though.)

I meant, Greenidge is the best opener in this match, apologies.

Saqlain was an immense bowler. His career really did disservice to him. He was the inventor of the doosra; really walloped the best batting line-ups of spin regularly (remember Chennai?). Bit of an enigma really but for me, much better bowler than Ashwin.

But what you're leaving out of that comp table of yours in the begining is how Warney was tackled by the very same players that are in my line-up. Guess who the highest Indian run-scorers are in matches that involve SK Warne? Sachin followed by Laxman. This includes all, India and aborad matches. Just in India? Again Sachin followed by Lax. Both average 50+. Warne averages 40+ in India.

Moreover, when you say the key wicket is Tendulkar, you're conveniently leaving out Kallis and Border who by themselves would get into the quite a few greatest of all time middle orders themselves. Kallis himself averages 50+ in Asia.

And finally, your comment on stroke players - I think I have more potential plodders in my side than you. When shit hits the fan, I expect more of my players to baton down - Kallis, Border, Lax vs yours in Gooch;

A real tough one.

Jayasuriya won't last too long with Akshay's bowling lineup but the rest of the top 6 is absolutely immense. Also, in Laxman Interval has someone who can take Warne to the cleaners not to mention Sachin. And Sachin was fantastic the last time we toured SA (scored 3 100's iirc with Steyn at the top of his game). A couple of quick wickets and Akshay's team could be struggling imo.

Leaning ever so slightly towards Interval but 1-1 is probably a likely result.

Agree with the 1-1. Its the same thought process I used. Except, I believe that if the decider is going to be the batting pitch then out of 100 iterations, the team that is likely to falter in batting is his. Also, you're doing a disservice to Jaya on slow pitches. The man used to toy with Indian sides with Kumble et all.


@The Man Himself - It boils down to that first test. If this series is played 100 iterations; I think more chances are I'll nab that first test given that his batting is likely to falter more than mine. Moreover for the pace track, I think that people are missing out on Kallis who, at his peak, was quite useful with the ball, for instance, between 1995-2002; for seven years, Kallis was bowling at an average of 28 which is neat to say the least.

And thank you for the middle order compliment; I was dying for someone to say so.
 
Saqlain was an immense bowler. His career really did disservice to him. He was the inventor of the doosra; really walloped the best batting line-ups of spin regularly (remember Chennai?). Bit of an enigma really but for me, much better bowler than Ashwin.
I honestly don't rate Saqlain that highly as I think he pretty much got found out once his novelty wore off. Fair enough if you rate him highly, everyone has their own view.

But what you're leaving out of that comp table of yours in the begining is how Warney was tackled by the very same players that are in my line-up. Guess who the highest Indian run-scorers are in matches that involve SK Warne? Sachin followed by Laxman. This includes all, India and aborad matches. Just in India? Again Sachin followed by Lax. Both average 50+. Warne averages 40+ in India.

Moreover, when you say the key wicket is Tendulkar, you're conveniently leaving out Kallis and Border who by themselves would get into the quite a few greatest of all time middle orders themselves. Kallis himself averages 50+ in Asia.

And finally, your comment on stroke players - I think I have more potential plodders in my side than you. When shit hits the fan, I expect more of my players to baton down - Kallis, Border, Lax vs yours in Gooch;
How have I left out Warne vs your batsmen in my table? It's right there in the last row.
 
I honestly don't rate Saqlain that highly as I think he pretty much got found out once his novelty wore off. Fair enough if you rate him highly, everyone has their own view.


How have I left out Warne vs your batsmen in my table? It's right there in the last row.
I didn't mean you left it off intentionally; I meant that those stats don't tell the story.

As far as Saqlain goes, I'm not sure, but I think many rate him highly. In fact, he typically does appear on best spinners lists; I have this memory of him troubling everyone; but he had a short 4-5 year peak.
 
For me both teams openers Gooch and Greenidge screening for more otherdox type of players at the otherend, both shewag and Jayasuriya are reckless with there shorts.
When it comes too middle order Interval slightly gets the upperhand,Sachin/A.Border/Kallis all three good players of spin along with VVS.
As for bowling is concern Akshay gets the better of Interval especially the pace department.
It looks like spin pitch would go with Interval and pitch assist Pace to go with Akshay and flat track 9/10 times it would be a drawn and last one would go to Akshay considering Ambrose /Warne factor ,Warne is much better in flat track than in spin pitches of sub continent.
 
Want to point out that while his batsmen are good players of spin, so are mine. Zaheer Abbas averaged 87 against India during the era of the spin quartet. In his three Tests against Chandrasekhar he averaged almost 200! Gooch and Gower averaged 56 and 45 against India during the Bedi-Chandrasekhar-Prasanna era. Interval has said himself in the previous match he regards Mushtaq as a lesser bowler than Chandrasekhar, and my batsmen have great records against the latter.
 
For me both teams openers Gooch and Greenidge screening for more otherdox type of players at the otherend, both shewag and Jayasuriya are reckless with there shorts.
When it comes too middle order Interval slightly gets the upperhand,Sachin/A.Border/Kallis all three good players of spin along with VVS.
As for bowling is concern Akshay gets the better of Interval especially the pace department.
It looks like spin pitch would go with Interval and pitch assist Pace to go with Akshay and flat track 9/10 times it would be a drawn and last one would go to Akshay considering Ambrose /Warne factor ,Warne is much better in flat track than in spin pitches of sub continent.
Yeah, but that is completely discounting my superior batting. Why not consider the Tendulkar/ Kallis/ Border factor? Moreover, Greenidge is better than Gooch (even though I'm quite a fan of Gooch myself)

Want to point out that while his batsmen are good players of spin, so are mine. Zaheer Abbas averaged 87 against India during the era of the spin quartet. In his three Tests against Chandrasekhar he averaged almost 200! Gooch and Gower averaged 56 and 45 against India during the Bedi-Chandrasekhar-Prasanna era. Interval has said himself in the previous match he regards Mushtaq as a lesser bowler than Chandrasekhar, and my batsmen have great records against the latter.
Actually, that is quite disingenous and not as much of a clincher as you make it out to be. You missed out that Abbas averages 28 in India over 12 innings. His average of 87 vs India is formed by his phenomenal form against India in four matches - all in Pakistan. And Chandra seems to have had very limited overlap with Abbas - 3 tests - so your average of 209 is again, not fair.

Gooch averages 40 in Asia.

Gnite, Akhay. And good luck.
 
Gone for Interval based on the lack of evidence I have backing Akshay's ability to bowl on flat batting tracks other than Steyn.
 
Actually, that is quite disingenous and not as much of a clincher as you make it out to be. You missed out that Abbas averages 28 in India over 12 innings. His average of 87 vs India is formed by his phenomenal form against India in four matches - all in Pakistan. And Chandra seems to have had very limited overlap with Abbas - 3 tests - so your average of 209 is again, not fair.

Gooch averages 40 in Asia.

Gnite, Akhay. And good luck.
Yeah, I said he played 3 Tests vs Chandrasekhar when I quoted the average of near 200 (not 209). It's true about the 28 average in India, although I hadn't realized that myself until you pointed it out. Fair point. Although I don't think slow wicket should be limited to India only?

Gooch averages 40 in Asia, but by that metric Gower averages 57 there.
 
Warne and Ambrose can't take wickets on a flat deck? Who can then?

Warne struggled in India. I can't find many figures from Ambrose on the subcontinent outside of Pakistan. Happy to change my mind if you can argue otherwise.. outside of pitch conditions, I preferred your team.
 
Warne struggled in India. I can't find many figures from Ambrose on the subcontinent outside of Pakistan. Happy to change my mind if you can argue otherwise.. outside of pitch conditions, I preferred your team.
Why does a flat deck = India? India is known more for subcontinental turning tracks than simply flat wickets. Like I said in your match thread, flat wickets are found all over the world, and it also depends on the preparation of the pitch going into the game. To examine how bowlers did on flat tracks, you should look at scores from matches where reports indicate the conditions offered little/no assistance to bowlers, or where every team had high scores in each innings (not a perfect indicator, but sometimes you can't find articles on that match).

Sydney and Adelaide are known as Australian venues than often (but not always) feature a flatter track, for example. Compared to WACA at Perth, for example, which usually has a lot of bounce, or the MCG which usually has something for the seam bowlers. So it is not a country by country thing, but rather pitch to pitch.

I don't know about stats to prove it since it is pretty hard to dig those up, but Ambrose was pretty good on flat wickets because he used his height, like Joel Garner, to extract bounce out of the wicket.

Warne also was known for succeeding on pitches which offered no assistance to spinners. This is not only my opinion.
Warne is much better in flat track than in spin pitches of sub continent.
 
Look at the 2nd Test in the 2006 Ashes series as an example. In Adelaide, both teams scored more than 500 in the first innings. England then collapsed for 129 all out with Warne taking 4/49. Overall, in Test matches where both teams scored over 400 in at least one innings, Warne has taken 73 wickets in 15 Tests at an average of 35.
 
Yeah, but that is completely discounting my superior batting. Why not consider the Tendulkar/ Kallis/ Border factor? Moreover, Greenidge is better than Gooch (even though I'm quite a fan of Gooch myself)


Actually, that is quite disingenous and not as much of a clincher as you make it out to be. You missed out that Abbas averages 28 in India over 12 innings. His average of 87 vs India is formed by his phenomenal form against India in four matches - all in Pakistan. And Chandra seems to have had very limited overlap with Abbas - 3 tests - so your average of 209 is again, not fair.

Gooch averages 40 in Asia.

Gnite, Akhay. And good luck.
I already mentioned those,your middle order is slightly superior, Greenidge or Gooch ? I like Greenidge ,especially the stock plays and the way he bats , Gooch is technically correct ,tbh not much separate between these two,When I have opportunity to pick between these two I would go with Greenidge.,It's individual preference nothing more.
 
I already mentioned those,your middle order is slightly superior, Greenidge or Gooch ? I like Greenidge ,especially the stock plays and the way he bats , Gooch is technically correct ,tbh not much separate between these two,When I have opportunity to pick between these two I would go with Greenidge.,It's individual preference nothing more.

Well, according to me, my middle order is more than slightly superior; Kallis, Tendulkar and Border followed up by Lax is a level above his, the same way Ambrose+Steyn is a level above Johnson+Pollock. As far the latter, whoever, I have spoken to rates Greenidge as a better player irrespective of preference. Gooch was great but a bit of a plodder. Anywho, like you said, opinions.

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