Test Cricket draft: QF : Skills vs Akshay @ Kensington Oval, Barbados

Who will win test match?


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Welcome to quarter final match up between Skills and Akshay of test cricket sheep draft. Some basic rules to consider while voting:

1) This is test only draft. So, judge players and team on test records only.
2) Match up will be in test format.
3) The ground the match is on is to indicate overall conditions from that country, not JUST the ground. Although, specific ground related records maybe used in discussion.
4) Voting will be available for 24 hours after poll is created.


Skills has won the toss and will be batting first.
 
Skills XI: Lawry, Langer, Amla, Greg Chappell, A. Border(C), Clyde Walcott (W), Cairns, Swann, Steyn, Md. Asif, Bob Willis

Akshay XI: 1. Sutcliffe 2. Smith* 3. Younis Khan 4. Inzamam 5. Chanderpaul 6. Tony Greig 7. HP Tillekaratne (wk) 8. Gough 9. Ambrose 10. Johnston 11. Barnes
 
Skills team:

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Akshay/Akash team:

Batting:
1. Herbert Sutcliffe (Avg: 61) - Right Handed Batsman
Less flamboyant and famous than his partner Jack Hobbs, Sutcliffe nonetheless possessed an immaculate defensive technique, evidenced by his average of 164 balls per dismissal, the highest in history (30 more than Bradman). He also has the 4th highest test average among batsmen who have played 20 or more innings. Sutcliffe did well against pace-men like Larwood in his time and was known for his courage in facing up to fast bowlers.

2. Graeme Smith* (Avg: 48) - Left Handed Batsman
Our captain, the man who resuscitated the self-belief of the South African test team and led them in over 100 test matches. This article details how Smith's style places him at a tremendous advantage against right arm seamers, with the only weakness in his play being to left arm seamers who swing the ball which our opponent doesn't have. Unfortunately he does support the scousers, but you can't win at everything in life. Smith boasts an incredible average of 73 in the West Indies and, together with Sutcliffe, he will effectively blunt the early pace threat of Steyn and Willis.

3. Younis Khan (Avg: 54) - Right Handed Batsman
Pakistan's highest run scorer in test cricket is an excellent player of spin and also a skilled slip fielder. He also averages over 60 in 4th innings in Tests (the only player ever to do so), which will come in handy as we will be batting second.

4. Inzamam Ul-Haq (Avg: 50) - Right Handed Batsman
Younis' partner in crime, with whom he once put together a 324 run stand in India, joins forces with him again. Inzamam is known for his matchwinning innings, with the 2nd highest average in winning causes behind only Bradman. He was also rated by Imran Khan as the best player of pace in his generation.

5. Shivnarine Chanderpaul (Avg: 51) - Left Handed Batsman
Another strong player of fast bowling, Chanderpaul is the seventh highest all time run scorer. He also has the 2nd highest batting average in the past decade among batsmen with 500 or more runs. He will be an important factor in this match, playing at home at the ground at which he is the highest run scorer.

6. Tony Greig (Avg: 40, Bowl Avg: 32, SR: 70) - Right Handed Batsman
A solid batsman and a versatile bowler. His bowling style based on bounce and aggression will be suited to this wicket, and he also has the ability to switch to a quick offspin. Greig scored 148 at this ground and took 6-146 in the next innings with his seam bowling, thus becoming the first Englishman to score a century and take a 5-for in the same test. Five of those six wickets were of the top 5 batsman. He followed it up with another century in the next test, and took 156-13 in the final test of the series, this time relying purely on spin. Greig's accomplishments in the West Indies were particularly notable because he bowled to the likes of Kanhai, Kallicharan and Sobers while himself facing the bowling of Andy Roberts and Lance Gibbs.

7. Hashan Tillakaratne (Avg: 43) - Left Handed Batsman
An athletic fielder and a doughty batsman who made the opposition work for his wicket. His away record is not as good, but he is still a solid batsman at no. 7.

Bowling:
Sydney Barnes (Avg: 16, SR: 42)
The spearhead of our attack is possibly the greatest bowler of all time, known as the 'Bradman of bowlers' [1]. He averages an astonishing 7 wickets per test match. Barnes was a master of both swing and spin, often imparting both with pace on the same delivery such as in his trademark 'Barnes ball' which swung in late on middle and leg and then spun away off the surface at about 125kphs [2]. His height allowed him to extract plenty of bounce as well. He also added conventional legbreak, offbreak, and a topspinner to his repertoire over his career, all delivered at fast-medium pace [3].

Curtly Ambrose (Avg: 21, SR: 55) - Right Arm Fast
Ambrose serves as the perfect complement to Barnes' subtlety and deception here with ferocious pace and bounce. Another of our players in home territory, Ambrose is the second highest wicket taker on this ground with 52 wickets, just 1 behind Walsh. His best spells on this ground were 8-45 and 6-34 spells, against England and South Africa respectively. Ambrose can turn matches on their head in the space of a single session, as he has done time and time again.

Darren Gough (Avg: 28, SR: 52) - Right Arm Fast
Our first change bowler, he will relieve Barnes after a short spell and see plenty of the new ball. Gough will exploit the early bounce in the wicket at first, and then later on switch to reverse-swing as the ball wears, delivering his famous in-swinging yorkers. His solid strike rate in tandem with Ambrose and Barnes will allow us to take wickets at regular intervals and prevent partnerships from developing.

Bill Johnston (Avg: 24, SR: 69) - Left Arm Fast-Medium, Left Arm Orthodox
A member of Bradman's Invincibles, he was hailed by Wisden as the greatest contributor to the success of that 1948 side, taking over 100 wickets in that series (the only bowler to do so) [1]. He operated as a strike/stock bowler hybrid who would switch from swing to finger-spin once the ball became worn [2]. He was also possessed a mean bouncer.

Why We'll Win:
1. Toss favors us. Captains have chosen to bowl first more often than bat first here, and the results justify those decisions with the team batting second scoring higher on average and winning more often. Our (up to) five pace-men are going to love this wicket.

2. Sydney Barnes was a very difficult bowler to read even by his peers who played against him frequently, due to his unique delivery action which he invented for himself. His style was not replicated by any bowler that Skills's batsmen have ever faced, and his swing plus spin at pace is going to have them at sixes and sevens.

3. Both Barnes and Johnston were used to bowling plenty with an old ball, and know how to get results with it. In contrast, Skills' fast bowlers are all used to getting plenty of the new ball, and will be less effective once they have to share it.

4. Our batting line-up, including the tail, averages almost 400 runs per innings. Additionally, all our batsmen are doughty and will not give away their wicket cheaply, forcing Skills' bowlers to toil away for long sessions that will wear them down.

5. Willis struggled in the West Indies (averaging 51), often flopping in the same matches on tour here that Tony Greig excelled in. If he has difficulties again, Steyn will have to take the bulk of the wickets himself. That won't be easy considering our line-up's proficiency against pace.
 
@Rado_N need help with poll:

Title: Who will win test match?

Option 1: Skills
Option 2: Akshay

Similar poll options to the other draft polls.

Thanks in advance.
 
The Barbados pitch of the last 5/6 years would favour the team with the better spinner in it.

Pitches in the Windies nowadays are more subcontinent like then the fast and bouncy batsman shit in the pants they used to be.
 
The Barbados pitch of the last 5/6 years would favour the team with the better spinner in it.

Pitches in the Windies nowadays are more subcontinent like then the fast and bouncy batsman shit in the pants they used to be.
Barnes, Johnson and Greig vs the lone Swann. If the match comes down to spin, there's only going to be one winner.
 
Both have excellent batting line-ups. I see Gough as a weakness in Akshay's bowling and maybe Cairns in Skills's. In Terms of spin, Skills has a specialist and Akshay has two part timers (Including Johnston as a part timer). It's probably all down to the toss.
 
Barnes, Johnson and Greig vs the lone Swann. If the match comes down to spin, there's only going to be one winner.
Alan Border can rotate his arm mate, but not sure about his SR/Average etc.
 
Alan Border can rotate his arm mate, but not sure about his SR/Average etc.
He's only taken 30 odd wickets. Don't really expect him to be a problem against that batting.
 
@Skills . You have an immaculate record of making one mistake per match. :lol:. First Amir, now Langer.
 
Both have excellent batting line-ups. I see Gough as a weakness in Akshay's bowling and maybe Cairns in Skills's. In Terms of spin, Skills has a specialist and Akshay has two part timers (Including Johnston as a part timer). It's probably all down to the toss.
Barnes alone is a better spinner than Swann. If you read the articles I've linked, it discusses how Barnes came to think of himself as a spinner, because he added spin on every delivery he bowled. He had a style that's very difficult to pigeon-hole in the modern schema of fast bowler / specialist spinner. As described:
"Long before Shane Warne bowled his ‘ball of the century’ that pitched outside leg, bamboozled the great Mike Gatting and pegged his off-stump back, Sydney Barnes had been there and done that."
"By genuinely spinning the ball with his fingers and releasing it with the quick bowlers wrist action which has the hand facing forward as the ball comes out he managed to achieve in swing with the leg break and out swing with the off break. The ball Shane Warne bowled to Mike Gatting at 70 mph or faster!"
 
That sounds like a lot of bullshit to me. And if you chat shit, you get banged. So vote for me like James Vardy would.
 
That sounds like a lot of bullshit to me. And if you chat shit, you get banged. So vote for me like James Vardy would.
Why is it bullshit? I'm providing multiple sources for what I'm saying. Barnes was not the first bowler to combine swing and spin in a single delivery, either. It was a style of bowling pioneered before him that he perfected, and has since died out.
 
Barnes alone is a better spinner than Swann. If you read the articles I've linked, it discusses how Barnes came to think of himself as a spinner, because he added spin on every delivery he bowled. He had a style that's very difficult to pigeon-hole in the modern schema of fast bowler / specialist spinner. As described:
Yes, bowling spin with a pacer's action is quite the achivement. But he might struggle in the Windies, where there is extra bounce to be had. He might not be able to control his deliveries as well as he does in England. It's just a hypothetical obviously. No sure way of ever knowing.
 
Yes, bowling spin with a pacer's action is quite the achivement. But he might struggle in the Windies, where there is extra bounce to be had. He might not be able to control his deliveries as well as he does in England. It's just a hypothetical obviously. No sure way of ever knowing.
Barnes only played 10 tests in his native England. The rest was all in Australia and South Africa. Plenty of bounce in those wickets.
 
Barnes only played 10 tests in his native England. The rest was all in Australia and South Africa. Plenty of bounce in those wickets.
Yes, I know. That's why I used the word extra bounce. The extra bounce, extra turn, often usually is a batsman or bowler's undoing. It's just a hypothetical anyway.
 
:lol:
And regarding Border, his average is at 39.Not bad for an part timer.
He simply put hasn't bowled enough. If a regualr batsman comes in and bowls one solid bowl in his career and gets a wicket with that, does that mean his average is 0 and he is an excellent bowler ? It doesn't work that way. He can probably chip in a few overs, but against that batting, no way he will pick up a wicket. Maybe tail enders, but that's it.
 
He simply put hasn't bowled enough. If a regualr batsman comes in and bowls one solid bowl in his career and gets a wicket with that, does that mean his average is 0 and he is an excellent bowler ? It doesn't work that way. He can probably chip in a few overs, but against that batting, no way he will pick up a wicket. Maybe tail enders, but that's it.

This Is bowling stats for Allan Border

Bowling averages
Mat Inns Balls Runs Wkts BBI BBM Ave Econ SR 4w 5w 10
Tests
156 98 4009 1525 39 7/46 11/96 39.10 2.28 102.7 1 2 1

Has bowled 4000 balls/39 wkts/7-46 best figure.

I doesn't mean that he will get wkts in this match, but he can eat up few overs.
 
This Is bowling stats for Allan Border

Bowling averages
Mat Inns Balls Runs Wkts BBI BBM Ave Econ SR 4w 5w 10
Tests
156 98 4009 1525 39 7/46 11/96 39.10 2.28 102.7 1 2 1

Has bowled 4000 balls/39 wkts/7-46 best figure.

I doesn't mean that he will get wkts in this match, but he can eat up few overs.
Exactly. That is the best he can do. Not more, not less.
 
I'm confused about this one. I don't see either bowling attack taking 20 wickets. Both batting teams are very well loaded.
 
Skills has silently amassed that ridiculous middle order. And while Sir Clyde was moved up a position, he is still coming to bat after 5 players none of which have a better average. Not sure why he wasted a pick on a number 3 (Amla) when he already had a top class one in his team.
 
Skills has silently amassed that ridiculous middle order. And while Sir Clyde was moved up a position, he is still coming to bat after 5 players none of which have a better average. Not sure why he wasted a pick on a number 3 (Amla) when he already had a top class one in his team.
Aye, his middle order is very good and better than ours. However, I think Sutcliffe is a better opener than either of his, and our bowling attack is better. Lot more variety, too.
 
Yeah, Skills has probably the best middle order in the entire draft, but Akshay has one of the best openers of all time, and Smith is no pushover either. And even his middle order is very solid. Inzi, Younis and Chanderpaul obviously won't get the same recognition as Border, Chappel and Walcott, but they are not a bad set to have after a solid opening from Sutcliffe and Smith. When it comes to bowling, I see Gough as a disadvantage though. I'm not sure how much the pitch will suit him. He's not renowned for bouncers and there will hardly be any seam for him to utilize. Even Johnstone might be a liability, his record isn't great although sample size is too small. So that will leave Barnes and Ambrose to take the majority of the wickets. On the other hand, Cairns and Willis be a liability for Skills. Again leaving Steyn and Swann to take the majority of the 20 wickets. I really don't see how either team could take 20 wickets in these conditions against those batting line-ups. :nervous:
 
Yeah, Skills has probably the best middle order in the entire draft, but Akshay has one of the best openers of all time, and Smith is no pushover either. And even his middle order is very solid. Inzi, Younis and Chanderpaul obviously won't get the same recognition as Border, Chappel and Walcott, but they are not a bad set to have after a solid opening from Sutcliffe and Smith. When it comes to bowling, I see Gough as a disadvantage though. I'm not sure how much the pitch will suit him. He's not renowned for bouncers and there will hardly be any seam for him to utilize. Even Johnstone might be a liability, his record isn't great although sample size is too small. So that will leave Barnes and Ambrose to take the majority of the wickets. On the other hand, Cairns and Willis be a liability for Skills. Again leaving Steyn and Swann to take the majority of the 20 wickets. I really don't see how either team could take 20 wickets in these conditions against those batting line-ups. :nervous:

You're forgetting Asif.

Why is cairns a liability? He's got a pretty decent record in West Indies. Willis obviously hasnt good a good record though, but he's adequate support to support the rest.
 
I have 5 bowlers with over a 100 wickets each at an average less than 30. I think we'll accumulate enough pressure to get 20
 
Yeah, Skills has probably the best middle order in the entire draft, but Akshay has one of the best openers of all time, and Smith is no pushover either. And even his middle order is very solid. Inzi, Younis and Chanderpaul obviously won't get the same recognition as Border, Chappel and Walcott, but they are not a bad set to have after a solid opening from Sutcliffe and Smith. When it comes to bowling, I see Gough as a disadvantage though. I'm not sure how much the pitch will suit him. He's not renowned for bouncers and there will hardly be any seam for him to utilize. Even Johnstone might be a liability, his record isn't great although sample size is too small. So that will leave Barnes and Ambrose to take the majority of the wickets. On the other hand, Cairns and Willis be a liability for Skills. Again leaving Steyn and Swann to take the majority of the 20 wickets. I really don't see how either team could take 20 wickets in these conditions against those batting line-ups. :nervous:
Johnston's numbers in West Indies are poor because although the record says he played 4 tests there, in truth he didn't bat or bowl a single ball in the latter two of those games due to multiple injuries, including a knee injury which ended his career. He really wasn't anywhere near prime condition for that tour.

Hard to say for Gough since he never toured there, but averages better in Australia (27) than his native England, despite there being less swing on offer. Don't think the typical WI pitch is more bouncy than pitches like the WACA in Perth, where Gough's average is 15 (in admittedly only 1 test).

If you want to take the conditions into that much consideration, then you should consider Greig a premier bowler for this match. An average of 23 at a strike rate of 52 in the West Indies.
 
You're forgetting Asif.

Why is cairns a liability? He's got a pretty decent record in West Indies. Willis obviously hasnt good a good record though, but he's adequate support to support the rest.

In tests? Can you post link for this? Cairns didn't play tests in WI.
 
Skills with the much better middle order. Akshay with the better openers probably but it's marginal. Akshay with more spin options but both attacks might find it tough to bowl the opposition out.
 
You're forgetting Asif.

Why is cairns a liability? He's got a pretty decent record in West Indies. Willis obviously hasnt good a good record though, but he's adequate support to support the rest.
Cairns never played in the Windies and neither did Asif. So I'm not sure how to judge Asif on this. I'm sure he would do well against average batting, but Akshay's batting can more than hold up on their own.

Johnston's numbers in West Indies are poor because although the record says he played 4 tests there, in truth he didn't bat or bowl a single ball in the latter two of those games due to multiple injuries, including a knee injury which ended his career. He really wasn't anywhere near prime condition for that tour.

Hard to say for Gough since he never toured there, but averages better in Australia (27) than his native England, despite there being less swing on offer. Don't think the typical WI pitch is more bouncy than pitches like the WACA in Perth, where Gough's average is 15 (in admittedly only 1 test).

If you want to take the conditions into that much consideration, then you should consider Greig a premier bowler for this match. An average of 23 at a strike rate of 52 in the West Indies.
Fair enough.
Gough isn't really known for his short ball is he ? The Darren gough I remember had an incredible abilty to seam the ball outwards, can be frightening to deal with for any batsman in the world. He could also reverse swing the ball pretty well if I am not mistaken. If the conditions don't allow for that, I don't know what he would be able to offer to the team.
Don't know about Greig, will have to take your word for it.
 
Skills with the much better middle order. Akshay with the better openers probably but it's marginal. Akshay with more spin options but both attacks might find it tough to bowl the opposition out.
Why Marginal ? I think you don't give enough credit to Smith.