Test Cricket draft: FINAL : Aldo vs Skills @ MCG, Melbourne

Who will win test match?


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Welcome to FINAL match between Aldo and Skills of test cricket sheep draft. Some basic rules to consider while voting:

1) This is test only draft. So, judge players and team on test records only.
2) Match up will be in test format.
3) The ground the match is on is to indicate overall conditions from that country, not JUST the ground. Although, specific ground related records maybe used in discussion.
4) Voting will be available for 24 hours after poll is created.


Skills has won the toss and will be batting first.

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Aldo's XI: Sir Jack Hobbs, Herbert Sutcliffe, George Headley(C), BC Lara, Stan McCabe, Ted Dexter, Shaun Pollock, Don Tallon(WK), Michael Holding, Sir Andy Roberts, Sir Alec Bedser

Skills XI: Lawry, Langer, Sir Clyde Walcott (W), Sachin Tendulkar, Greg Chappell, A. Border(C), Cairns, Steyn, Mohammad Asif, Bob Willis, Mcgrath
 
Aldo's team:

Team Aldo

Sir Jack Hobbs
Herbert Sutcliffe
George Headley (c)
Brian Charles Lara
Stan McCabe
Ted Dexter
Shaun Pollock
Don Tallon (wk)
Michael Holding
Sir Andy Roberts
Sir Alec Bedser​

Brief Introduction of the Team

The team is composed of some of the most influential cricketers over the generations who led the way with their class and are immortals in the history of the sport.

Jack Hobbs and Herbert Sutcliffe
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The greatest opening partnership in the history of test cricket - Hobbs and Sutcliffe compliment each other perfectly and dominated bowlers time and again. Sutcliffe scored 4555 runs averaging over 60 and Hobbs, the greatest opener in the history of the game scored over 5000 runs averaging almost 57. Together they scored 3339 runs at an average of 87! Not were they statistically amazing, they did that on difficult to bat on pitches, with Hobbs' mastery of the skill of batting combined with Sutcliffe's impenetrable defence that was the cornerstone of the English team throughout their time. With them in the team you can be guaranteed of not losing early wickets no matter what the surface is. Two absolute legends who brought the best of each other when batting together.
George Headley and Brian Lara
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Two of the greatest names to come from the islands, following the indestructible opening pair is George Headley and Brian Lara, two of the most talented batsmen you can imagine, with again the history of displaying that talent against the toughest of attacks in the toughest of circumstances. Headley - Averaging over 60 and carrying an otherwise below par WI team for years and standing up against the storm time and again, the ultimate fighter, so much so that he even defeated racism. And Lara - n undisputed great of the game, who is suited for all situations and has a history of playing iconic knocks.

With this top order, we are secured against the greatest bowling attacks in whatever the conditions can throw at us. Mentally the four are tough as nails and never back out of a fight, technically the four are flawless and marry flair, style, defensive astuteness, ability to play for hours and play according to the situation.
Stan McCabe and Lord Ted Dexter
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Coming in at number 5 is the man who was always on Bradman's side when Australia dominated one team after another, Stan McCabe, the man renowned for his magnitude of class and style, one who even fascinated Bradman himself. Lastly, 'Lord' Ted Dexter, one of the most powerful and dynamic batsmen of his generation and a cornerstone of the English team during the 60s.

Bowling
Michael Holding and Andy Roberts
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The bowling will be opened by Sir Andy Roberts and Michael Holding. An absolute fierce character and bowling with ferocious pace and deadly accuracy, Sir Andy was the original leader of the WI pace attack and for years one of the most feared bowlers in the world. Complimenting him perfectly, "Whispering Death", as he was called, would be steaming in with lightning quick pace and accuracy, delivering toe crunching in-swingers and skull crushing bouncers with equal ease, he'll be an absolute terror on this pitch. Pollock will bowl his line and length deliveries tirelessly at a very decent pace. Shaun Pollock will come as the first change. Pollock will bowl his line and length deliveries tirelessly at a very decent pace. Sir Alec Bedser completes the pace battery. Bedser would be bowling long spells tirelessly wearing the opposition down and not giving an inch anywhere. This ensures we have brutal aggression and pace from one side and control, concentration and accuracy from the other, and nothing that the batsmen can put away.

Why we'll win?
The opposition has decided to bat first on this pitch, which could prove costly given my fearsome pace attack. I would have taken the field had I won the toss. Holding and Roberts will generate tremendous movement off this pitch at unplayable pace and an awkward bounce specially for Roberts' slow bouncer. Lawry and Langer is a solid opening pair but simply cannot be compared to mine, and I am likely to make early in roads and make it difficult for the opposition. Given the possibility of the number 3 walking in early in a situation where you need to slow down the storm coming at your face, you need someone like Dravid there, as intimidating as the sight of Sir Clyde smashing deliveries all over the park was, if he's coming in at number 3, he'll likely play his natural attacking game and not something you want in that situation. The top order is likely to put enough pressure on the strong middle order for my bowlers to get them out within a reasonable target.

Batting against Steyn and McGrath would be a challenge specially on this pitch, but I have just the top order to take care of a great bowling combo. Hobbs and Sutcliffe possess immaculate defensive technique and concentration, and precisely the type of opening pair you need against such skillful and intelligent bowlers. There's no chance of them giving away anything, they won't be flirting with deliveries outside off stump and once they face a few deliveries and get settled, they will start reading the movement much better. That is when Hobbs' completeness in batting comes to effect, and he starts milking the likes of Willis and Cairns for runs. His all round stroke play and late reading of the deliveries will be crucial here.
Coming in at 3 and 4 and Headley and Lara, who are perfect for either defensive or attacking style of play depending on the situation, unlike the opposition and will be carrying forward from the foundation laid by the openers. Here's a small quote about what Headley did for West Indies:
The extent to which Headley changed West Indies' cricketing fortunes can be gauged from the results: before he arrived on the scene, West Indies had lost all three Tests they had played, against England in 1928, by an innings.

In his very first Test, in Barbados against the same opponents, he scored 21 and 176 to help West Indies to their first drawn match. The performance kickstarted a glorious career that had some incredible highs despite the shortage of matches: in his third Test he scored a hundred in each innings, a feat he repeated at Lord's nine years later, becoming the first cricketer to score a century in each innings in a Test at that ground. Of the first 14 hundreds that were scored by West Indian batsmen, 10 belonged to Headley. He finished his Test career with 2190 runs in 22 Tests, but his best years were before the Second World War, when he scored 2135 runs in 19 Tests at an average of 66.71.

During this period the entire West Indies team scored 8335 runs in these 19 games, which means Headley accounted for an incredible 25.61% of the runs scored by his team. The next-best batsman for West Indies before the War was opener Clifford Roach, who scored 952 runs in 32 innings. Talk of a one-man run machine.
 
Aldo's team continued:

We will target Chris Cairns in particular and he's likely to be bowling to the middle order more than someone like Steyn who wants to stay fresh, where both McCabe and Dexter will absolutely explode and smash him out of the ground. Dexter will relish this instruction, and provide an quick 50-60 bonus runs in the end.

We will be far more attacking in the third innings, and try to get the other team out with as less damage as possible, setting attacking fields constantly and not worrying about a few extra runs. The pitch will still have a lot in it for the pacemen and they will continue reaping the rewards.

Another factor in my bowling line up is that I have absolute machines in Pollock and Bedser who were used to bowling for ages in the most hostile weather conditions, they'll never feel the heat here and the bowling unit will always be in a good shape. The same cannot be said about Steyn and Cairns.​

Lastly, I have proven partnerships at the most crucial positions on the pitch - the opening batsmen and the opening bowlers have performed at the highest level together and both statistically and in terms of performance they rank at the absolute highest tier. That would ensure further stability and guarantee a better result from the team.
 
Skills' team:

Langer & Lawry’s batting is economical;
Walcott's genius is astronomical;
Border, Chappell & Tendulkar build on the start;
Steyn & McGrath rip you apart;
A victory by an innings is pretty possible.
Brap Brap.

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@Rado_N need help with poll:

Title: Who will win test match?

Option 1: Aldo
Option 2: Skills

Similar poll options to the other draft polls.

Thanks in advance.
 
Team skills is a celebration of greatness. In particular my greatness in assembling a team full of great players.
 
Skills bowling is weak, but that middle order... Walcott, Tendlya, Chappel, Border...

Aldo does have a Hobbs/Sutcliffe/Headley/Lara top 4 though...

I think his bowling takes him to a win
 
Cairns and Asif look ridiculously out of place here. I don't fancy Bedser as much on Aldo's team, and he essentially has one less bat due to Tallon, but I still think he would take it. Haven't voted yet. Would like to hear from skills
 
Cairns and Asif look ridiculously out of place here. I don't fancy Bedser as much on Aldo's team, and he essentially has one less bat due to Tallon, but I still think he would take it. Haven't voted yet. Would like to hear from skills

Why do you think Cairns look out of place? Are there many other better 5th option bowlers around to bat at 7? I could've just chosen to stack my batting line up even more with Amla, but I felt it'd be much better to have a 5th bowler.
 
My team is essentially playing at home by the way. Lawry, Langer, Chappel, Border, McGrath. And there's only one consistently proven formula to win in cricket - which is to be Australian.
 
1-4 goes to Aldo all the way
3-6 Skills with a field day
Aldo's bowling is as fierce as fierce can be
What the feck is Asif doing here?!

Escaped from Jail for a final push?
Too bad Willis is a bit mush
Steyn and McGrath will make it tight
but Sir Andy Feckin Roberts enough for the fight

Batting first Skills with the upper
Might make Bedser go for an early supper
But batting last Aldo with a grin
His awesome team for the awesome win
 
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Yeah, Amir and cairns don't belong here. As I said in the SFs, someone like Cairns is likely to go wicketless in a match like this.
 
Yeah, Amir and cairns don't belong here. As I said in the SFs, someone like Cairns is likely to go wicketless in a match like this.
Skills has a point. What other player do you know who can come in at No 7 and contribute with the ball as an effective bowler ? (Except Shakib :p)
 
Skills has a point. What other player do you know who can come in at No 7 and contribute with the ball as an effective bowler ? (Except Shakib :p)
That's besides the point though. What's the point of having someone who will not contribute with the ball and contribute 20 odd runs with the bat? Doesn't help in either department. Would have been better served going for an extra specialist bowler or bat especially the former given his batting quality.
 
That's besides the point though. What's the point of having someone who will not contribute with the ball and contribute 20 odd runs with the bat? Doesn't help in either department. Would have been better served going for an extra specialist bowler or bat especially the former given his batting quality.
I rate Cairns quite decently as both a bowler and with the ball. There isn't any pressure on him to make an impact with either, which will suit him more. He can swing the ball as well which might help in these conditions.
I see your point of going for a proper specialist bowler, and I was also a little surprised he went for Sachin in R2, but I really don't have an answer for that. Skills cracking under the pressure maybe?
 
I rate Cairns quite decently as both a bowler and with the ball. There isn't any pressure on him to make an impact with either, which will suit him more. He can swing the ball as well which might help in these conditions.
I see your point of going for a proper specialist bowler, and I was also a little surprised he went for Sachin in R2, but I really don't have an answer for that. Skills cracking under the pressure maybe?
Yeah, he was a decent bowler, no doubt. He's up against the absolute cream of cricket here though and I see his overs being nothing more than a welcome break for Aldo's team. Yeah, I don't see why he went for Sachin either when he ended up replacing Amla. Someone like holding or Garner would have been immense for him.
 
Yeah, he was a decent bowler, no doubt. He's up against the absolute cream of cricket here though and I see his overs being nothing more than a welcome break for Aldo's team. Yeah, I don't see why he went for Sachin either when he ended up replacing Amla. Someone like holding or Garner would have been immense for him.
Agreed, but I think he picked Sachin for the same reason you and Mani did. ;)
 
Agreed, but I think he picked Sachin for the same reason you and Mani did. ;)
Yeah but we needed a big name batsman, he has plenty of them. Anyways, he probably has his reasons but Cairns and asif were crying out to be upgraded imo.
 
It's the bowling which decides this one for me. Holding, Roberts, Bedser and Pollock getting to utilize the early bounce in the wicket before it flattens out, versus an attack that I think boils down to Steyn and McGrath. Willis has a poor record in Australia, and Asif and Cairns just aren't that good.

Batting wise 1-3 is stronger for Aldo, while 5-7 is stronger for Skills. Not much to choose between them, imo.
 
Won't individual records matter? As in player vs player. One teams batsman against the other team's bowlers, where such data is available. Don't think Border has that great a record against the Windies side. Not sure about Greg's performances against Windies.

Then again as mentioned in the other thread, McGrath vs Lara will more often than not have McGrath coming out on top.

While I think Aldo's team should win the match, will wait to hear more before voting.
 
Won't individual records matter? As in player vs player. One teams batsman against the other team's bowlers, where such data is available. Don't think Border has that great a record against the Windies side. Not sure about Greg's performances against Windies.

Then again as mentioned in the other thread, McGrath vs Lara will more often than not have McGrath coming out on top.

While I think Aldo's team should win the match, will wait to hear more before voting.

Yeah, if you have got it (or links), do share :)
Have to be in similar conditions though for fair assessment.
 
Wow, I'm a little surprised with Skills leading 4-3. I'll wait till I hear more from people here. Leaning towards Aldo atm if people haven't figured it out yet.
 
My initial feeling is, had Skills gone for Garner instead of Sachin and had a bowling lineup of Steyn/McGrath/Garner along with Willis/Asif, his team would have looked stronger. Not that it is not now, it is very very strong in batting and in bowling he has got 5 pace options of Steyn/McGrath/Willis/Asif and Cairns. The latter 3 are not as good as first two, but when you have such a skilled bunch, hunting in group, the weaknesses of 1-2 get covered up. There is not likely to be much respite if a team comes up against such attack on MCG or typical Australia pitch. Aldo on other hand has definitely strengthened his bowling I feel but in batting Skills is stronger. Not sure right now who edges it.
 
Interesting, yeah it can be discussion point if we have decent number of matches in similar conditions involving the concerned players in two teams here. Talking about that, Lara too had some tough times vs McGrath in Australia and on occasions, looked hopeless against him.

This is Lara's overall record in Australia, and while average comes down significantly, it is good enough.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...class=1;host=2;template=results;type=allround

Thing is, he has some big hundreds in Australia and mixed with lots of awful scores when he was made to look mediocre and average came out to around 41. This series for example. Only scores above 20 are from Adelaide and Sydney tests. He was very bad in Brisbane, Melbourne and Perth:


http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/52337.html?class=1;host=2;season=2000/01;template=results;type=allround;view=innings


If we compare this with Sachin, he never had that 'hopeless' look against McGrath though McGrath got upper hand on occasions. Sachin's average in Australia is almost same as his career average.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...class=1;host=2;template=results;type=allround
 
Won't individual records matter? As in player vs player. One teams batsman against the other team's bowlers, where such data is available. Don't think Border has that great a record against the Windies side. Not sure about Greg's performances against Windies.

Then again as mentioned in the other thread, McGrath vs Lara will more often than not have McGrath coming out on top.

While I think Aldo's team should win the match, will wait to hear more before voting.

Greg was decent against Holding/Roberts that was in 75-76 series got back to back hundreds, his performance deteriorated when faced the full fledged pace attack comprise of Garner/Holding/Roberts/Croft in 1979.
 
Interesting, yeah it can be discussion point if we have decent number of matches in similar conditions involving the concerned players in two teams here. Talking about that, Lara too had some tough times vs McGrath in Australia and on occasions, looked hopeless against him.

This is Lara's overall record in Australia, and while average comes down significantly, it is good enough.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...class=1;host=2;template=results;type=allround

Thing is, he has some big hundreds in Australia and mixed with lots of awful scores when he was made to look mediocre and average came out to around 41. This series for example. Only scores above 20 are from Adelaide and Sydney tests. He was very bad in Brisbane, Melbourne and Perth:


http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/52337.html?class=1;host=2;season=2000/01;template=results;type=allround;view=innings


If we compare this with Sachin, he never had that 'hopeless' look against McGrath though McGrath got upper hand on occasions. Sachin's average in Australia is almost same as his career average.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...class=1;host=2;template=results;type=allround

Lara had tough time against McGrath in general.



The sheer number of times McGrath managed to get him out early is incredible
 
It's the bowling which decides this one for me. Holding, Roberts, Bedser and Pollock getting to utilize the early bounce in the wicket before it flattens out, versus an attack that I think boils down to Steyn and McGrath. Willis has a poor record in Australia, and Asif and Cairns just aren't that good.

Batting wise 1-3 is stronger for Aldo, while 5-7 is stronger for Skills. Not much to choose between them, imo.

I've never seen wickets in Australia getting flatterns out by day 4 or even in day 5, if its prepared assist pace bowlers it stand still till the final day, may be you find wear and tear but it still assists the bowler on the last day. Batting first is advantage to skills imo.
 
Going through records of these bowlers in Australian condition and i find B.Willis record is much better than S.Pollock's.
 
Going through records of these bowlers in Australian condition and i find B.Willis record is much better than S.Pollock's.

Asif has a very good record away from home in english/australian conditions as well.

Matches=17
Average=22.43
Economy=2.93
SR=45.9
5 wick=7
10 wick=1

And thats with almost no support from the other bowlers.
 
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Batting looks even contest, after adding Sachin, skills line up it looks even better but i still suspect Lawry against those two opening bowlers.