Ten Hag; “the real reason I’m here? high potential”
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I’d be delighted if Maguire went tomorrow, but also reckon that he’ll do ok under ETH. I think there’s a reasonable chance he will be capable of following instructions.
I’m a lot less confident of Rashford. It’s been six years since he’s had a proper coach, and recent injuries may well have robbed him of his pace and power. It would be great if it happened though.
Like it or not Ten Hag is going to have to try to salvage some of these players, at least in the short term as getting 8/9/10 first team players in one Summer is just not feasible. Can he get a response from the likes of Shaw, Maguire, Rashford and Bruno who have pretty terrible this season? (Yes, I include Bruno despite his decent numbers). Would allow him to concentrate on getting a modern RB, ball playing midfielders with running power, getting the best out of Sancho and finding a forward line to evolve with.
The potential is clear to see.
we've won stuff with past it managers.
we finished 2nd and got to a European final under a clueless manager.
a modern day manager at the peak of his career will be licking his lips.
we've won stuff with past it managers.
we finished 2nd and got to a European final under a clueless manager.
a modern day manager at the peak of his career will be licking his lips.
We have some quality in the team, we are definitely not 58 points bad. So there is some potential. With the right transfers to fill in the obvious holes, we should definitely expect a significant improvement next season.
Real reason I am here is ...I have been lied to by Glazers that we can do things in transfer market that others can only dream of!
“Doing things in the market that other teams could only have nightmares about” I believe was the amended quote
Me everytime I log onto here & get into another argument
It’s almost a win-win situation for Ten Hag. If he does well and delivers us a league title again then he instantly becomes a legend. If he fails, great managers before him have failed at this job already (the poisoned chalice) and he can leave with his reputation intact knowing any other big club outside of England will still give him another opportunity.
How many times you reckon you've used the phrase Caf Einstein's to then turn out to be wrong? Search functions shows it's a lot. Don't curse us again please.
Also you seem to be the only person using that phrase. Gift the man the tag he's after already mods
Weird thread. It’s not as if he’s saying the squad is good to go. Reading into one comment far too much.
How many times you reckon you've used the phrase Caf Einstein's to then turn out to be wrong? Search functions shows it's a lot. Don't curse us again please.
Also you seem to be the only person using that phrase. Gift the man the tag he's after already mods
If was Mourinho that introduced the phrase and I find it perfect for some of our more dense posters
Of course these potential. It's been an absolute shitshow but they didn't all become bad players overnight. A good manager should be able to come in, galvanise the team, build back up the team spirit and get them all properly motivated to perform to the best of their ability.
Of course, some won't be good enough or suited to the manager or his system but this idea we need to bin the whole squad is just silly and I believe it to be mostly borne out of frustration.
There was a fair bit of kick-back, specifically to that comment, in the presser thread.
There was a time when the general consensus was i0fthe opposition come on to us at all then we destroy them with the space left behind.
We completely lost that this season
We completely lost that this season
He needs some time to adapt in English environment both on the pitch and off the pitch. it’s one of the most difficult jobs in the world especially in term of controlling the locker room and stars. I have watched him a lot and I rate him pretty high in term of tactics and playing style. United’s advantage is the wealthy of this club, so if he has freedom to control or manage United’s transfer markets, I doubt he will be do his job superbly.
He will develop United’s system, movement with/without the ball and tactical knowledges in first year. The players also must follow his guideline too. I think everything will be perfect in years 3 and I’m confident during 2024 or 2025 United will become top tier club in Europe again.
For this year, I’m guarantee he will develop United’s tactics for sure.
He will develop United’s system, movement with/without the ball and tactical knowledges in first year. The players also must follow his guideline too. I think everything will be perfect in years 3 and I’m confident during 2024 or 2025 United will become top tier club in Europe again.
For this year, I’m guarantee he will develop United’s tactics for sure.
There's great potential because they've won feck all in the past 7 years. Picking something up at the bottom there's always room for improvement.
Referring to the second place finish season before last kind of stirred me up a bit but it is surely just man management from ETH knowing he won’t be able to turn the squad over immediately.
Imho, he will be the legend at this club. Just give him freedom, time and support and I’m sure he will bring trophies, great playing style and probably some kids from academy( he is famously known at this department).
Nothing is ever as bad it is seems. The morale was quite clearly on the floor for most of this season and for whatever reason Ralf wasn't able to do anything about it. A lot of the players who are staying will be able to do a job in EtH's system and don't need binning off immediately. We'll obviously need a fair few upgrades before we're challenging for titles, however.
It is not advisable to start a leadership journey with a total authoritarian mode. He is a smart man.
Exactly, this isn’t some deep insight that needs a lot of unpacking, it’s just a very polite way of saying that things can only get better, kinda funny to see how much people want to read into it
No it’s a state at the moment and he has it all to do. We will need upgrades just to make top four IMO.
OP is a bit of a "CAF Einstein" himself if he takes everything at face value and doesn't understand that there are more obvious "high potential" aspects to the job than simply the potential of our players.
Most trusting copper ever "Honestly, I wasn't trying to break into this car, I was just polishing the windows" "Ok, be on your way".
Most trusting copper ever
"Honestly, I wasn't trying to break into this car, I was just polishing the windows" "Ok, be on your way".They failed miserably at the first two aspect of ETHs system, under Rangnick. Pressing and keeping possession well. There's no way an intelligent manager like ETH watched that and didn't consider that everything might need to change, including the players, before he sees his football.
Obviously he knows that doesn't happen in one window, hence comments like he made today.
And in response to the bolded part, this form extends at least 10 games into the end of last season. Everyone overplayed our second place finishes. 66 points was it, twice? We have been garbage for ages. Other clubs just got their act together and pushed us back to where we deserve to be.
Exactly. Ten hag isn't an idiot. He seems like a profesor of the game. He can't come in saying everyone's shit and needs to be replaced. Look at Klopp - he had to work with Lovren et al at the beginning and he kept everyone onside (no pun intended), even though it was clear he would definitely replace many of them eventually. He will no doubt be clued in to how disgraceful these players have been this year and how they downed tools. It will be a process of a few transfer windows to tailor the squad to what he wants. I can't wait.
Agreed but I was taking that as a given seeing as we've so many leaving. We'll have to get the recruitment right this window.
Did they fail because of Ralf's system or because of Ralf? We'll see, I suppose but I'd say Ralf had a fair bit to do with it.
They were failing before Ralf though and continued to do so. Look back at the results from the last 10 or so games from last season, leading to that EL Final embarrassment of a performance.
Reading the articles today, it seems exactly what we thought about Rangnick and his tactics ie he started out trying to implement his style, which is no mystery, and had to give up on it. Which he apparently regrets. Sounds like there were other factors at play also, which are all expected. Make shift coaching staff, not relying on existing analysts etc.
My take too, but can't be certain. If we see another coach go down the road if giving them all a chance and thinking the outcome will be different, then we're pretty much doomed. I just don't believe he can coach these players to play his style, which is reliant on fundamental skills that are lacking. You can't create a midfield dictator out of Fred and Mctominay, for example.
Thats because we had second place wrapped up well before the end of the season? It was only 12 or so points behind City. You're being incredibly unfair here imo.
Typical Dutchman, obsessed with drugs.
As much as we like to think it’s because he liked United as a boy, he’s hardly going to say it’s because of the salary and transfer kitty.
The simple truth is that this squad is nowhere near bad enough to be 6th. I mean, Ole got 3rd and 2nd with basically the same group of players. Ten Hag is probably quite confident he'll have us back in the Champion's League positions next season. If he does that after this year he'll have the fans right behind him.
What he said
Who cares though really. Just win baby.
And he's right. We're one of the biggest clubs in the world and that won't change. The Dippers were in the doldrums for years while we were the dominant force in English football. It's cyclical.
You guys finished 2nd with 74 points. Let’s not pretend it was a decent total because a lot of you claiming 2nd place trophy are likely the same that say we had a shite season finishing 3rd with.. 74 points..
The club has massive potential, he isn’t wrong. But part of what’s not working that needs correcting is the disjointed and unbalanced squad with quite possibly the worst team ethic in all of Europe.
Some of your team is good enough but many are not. Unless you throw out the trash your not going to see 2nd again let alone 1st.
Exactly. Win and he can do what he wants, we don't need all the media fawning that comes with new managers anymore, just knuckle down and take us back to the top and we'll have a massive bronze bust outside of OT of his shiny dome.
OP is a bit of a "CAF Einstein" himself if he takes everything at face value and doesn't understand that there are more obvious "high potential" aspects to the job than simply the potential of our players.
Most trusting copper ever
Oh hi. are you here to tell us how well Arteta is doing again and how much better Arsenal are than United? Funny how that theory vanished quicker than their top 4 hopes..
Einstein indeed