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Livvie

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Described by a journalist who is an avid Oasis fan as the greatest gig he has ever seen.

The music might not be to your own taste, but no one with an iota of common sense can deny that TT are a bloody good band.
 
five singers a band do not make.

the reality is that they are a production
 
Well they've always been called a boy band - and lately a man band. But don't be picky!

I don't think people have to like them...but I do think they should be given credit for being a lot more than many people would have expected them to be.
 
I would conceed they are clearly the best and most respectable of their breed.

The fact one of them actually writes the songs puts them in a group of 1 with the other credible and undeserving of extermination boy bands
 
Livvie said:
Well they've always been called a boy band - and lately a man band. But don't be picky!

I don't think people have to like them...but I do think they should be given credit for being a lot more than many people would have expected them to be.
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who exactly? the five lads or the huge management team, the massive production team or the finaciers?

they are a cabaret act, some of them can sing, none of them can do any more, it's Britain's got Talent on a huge polished turd scale.

you have to have base entertainment, like the court jester, people just couldn't take mozart all day long ... they might be as entertaining to some people, but their talent shouldn't be compared.
 
Don't think you can knock em. They've always had the songs, they've always had the performance, and they come across as pretty down to earth. Plus as Mockney says, they're not just mouthpieces for someone elses work behind the scenes

They even stood the test of splitting up, and making it back to the top having reformed

Kudos, Take That

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Brad said:
Don't think you can knock em. They've always had the songs, they've always had the performance, and they come across as pretty down to earth. Plus as Mockney says, they're not just mouthpieces for someone elses work behind the scenes

They even stood the test of splitting up, and making it back to the top having reformed

Kudos, Take That
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they are a musical version of big brother ... bet a huge percentage of BB watchers are Take That fans
 
Brad said:
Erm?

Yeh

Ok

:rolleyes:
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Another topic where an opinion contrary to yours is dismissed with a roll eyes, good man.

They are manufactured entertainment , exacty the same target audience, those without the ability to discern.
 
moses said:
they are a musical version of big brother ... bet a huge percentage of BB watchers are Take That fans
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They are manufactured entertainment
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No not really. Barlow writes the songs...that makes them a credible musical entity in their own right (well Barlow at any rate)...

It's not like one of Cowell's artists who are given a 40yr old cover to sing and never do one creative thing themselves...Or Big brother which relies on the talentless...Barlow has talent, whether you like his songs or not..

Take That do deserve more respect than Boyzone, Blue, Nsync, Backstreet etc etc (who should undoubtably all die) because they are possessed of some creative talent (like-wise East 17 actually!)

I can't believe I'm defending take that on an internet forum at half twelve on a tuesday morning!...But you gotta give credit where its due
 
Why? That doesn't prove he's a manufactured talentless shill...It just proves he didn't write very good songs, or wasn't charasmatic enough to become a big star in his own right...

He charted a few times with songs he wrote himself...Have you?
 
MockneyRevil said:
I can't believe I'm defending take that on an internet forum at half twelve on a tuesday morning!...But you gotta give credit where its due
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yep actually who cares?, they might be great, I haven't listened all that closely
 
moses said:
Another topic where an opinion contrary to yours is dismissed with a roll eyes, good man.

They are manufactured entertainment , exacty the same target audience, those without the ability to discern.
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Contrary opinions I've faced recently

1) It's ludicrous to suggest Rooney is our most important player. What's he ever done for us?

2) Even Zlatan the great is better than Rooney

3) Take That are the equivalent of Big Brother

Some real top draw well thought out and argued opinions there

Take That write their own songs, which are actually very good. That's why they're highly successful, and afforded far more credibility than your typical Stock Aitken & Waterman manufactured pap. Maybe that's how Take That came about, but they moved beyond that in no time

'One True Voice' is your BB equivalent, not these lads
 
MockneyRevil said:
Why? That doesn't prove he's a manufactured talentless shill...It just proves he didn't write very good songs, or wasn't charasmatic enough to become a big star in his own right...

He charted a few times with songs he wrote himself...Have you?
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don't be a cock, if that was necessary to post here the fecking place would fold.

as for the lack of solo success, I think if he was backed to same extent by the production team, advertisers and all I mentioned he would have succeeded solo, but the 'brand' wasn't as strong so the machine didn't see the investment as being as viable
 
moses said:
don't be a cock, if that was necessary to post here the fecking place would fold.

as for the lack of solo success, I think if he was backed to same extent by the production team, advertisers and all I mentioned he would have succeeded solo, but the 'brand' wasn't as strong so the machine didn't see the investment as being as viable
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He had a solo number 1 single and album you know
 
MockneyRevil said:
He charted a few times with songs he wrote himself...Have you?
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By that chain of logic, doesn't that preclude you(and by extension, all of us) from offering an opinion on, say, playing for Manchester United?

If you haven't done it, your opinion can be dismissed. Funny attitude on a forum where all we do is talk about the things we'll never be fortunate enough to do(Except me. this is the year Fergie finally calls me up to the big leagues. I can feel it:)).
 
still not big brother though is it

...and I retract the Have you?...was an un needed extremity foolishly applied in the heat of battle
 
Brad said:
Take That write their own songs, which are actually very good. That's why they're highly successful, and afforded far more credibility than your typical Stock Aitken & Waterman manufactured pap. Maybe that's how Take That came about, but they moved beyond that in no time

'One True Voice' is your BB equivalent, not these lads
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Lads I work in the music industry and I see more talent weekly, talent is not rewarded the same way as it is in football.

I have stacks of cds on my desk ... Barlow's talent is no better than hundreds, maybe thousands of people in Ireland alone.

The ability to sing and write a song has very little to do with their success, it's manufactured. Like it or not. Their comeback was never going to fail , even shit songs meant the worst scenario was huge tour dates at the very least, their longevity is down to this alone, if it was a risk depending on talent it didn't happen.
 
Brad said:
He had a solo number 1 single and album you know
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I knew about 8 months in advance , to a pretty sure degree that Samantha Mumba would have a number one single in Ireland in the summer of whenever it was , because although few people had heard about her I knew Louis Walsh had spent near 1m euro to market and prepre her.

The sinister and maybe genius side of this is that you will most likely never recoup that in Ireland on record sales. He needed her be be a household name in Ireland so he could export a 'star' to the UK and the US. And he did. The cnut.
 
moses said:
Lads I work in the music industry and I see more talent weekly, talent is not rewarded the same way as it is in football.

I have stacks of cds on my desk ... Barlow's talent is no better than hundreds, maybe thousands of people in Ireland alone.

The ability to sing and write a song has very little to do with their success, it's manufactured. Like it or not. Their comeback was never going to fail , even shit songs meant the worst scenario was huge tour dates at the very least, their longevity is down to this alone, if it was a risk depending on talent it didn't happen.
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Sorry mate, not buying it

"It's all about the songs", that's my motto

The difference between Barlow, Take That and the rest... Take That have them by the bucket load

You might not rate that as 'having more ability', but I do

And going back to the opening post. An Oasis fan and music journalist saying it's the best gig he's seen. You can't manufacture that, you either have it or you don't

Not giving these lads due credit Moses :nono:
 
moses said:
I knew about 8 months in advance , to a pretty sure degree that Samantha Mumba would have a number one single in Ireland in the summer of whenever it was , because although few people had heard about her I knew Louis Walsh had spent near 1m euro to market and prepre her.

The sinister and maybe genius side of this is that you will most likely never recoup that in Ireland on record sales. He needed her be be a household name in Ireland so he could export a 'star' to the UK and the US. And he did. The cnut.
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Did he get her back to the top of the charts again?

Did he get her back to the charts over and over again?

Are we still listening to the old and new music of Samamtha Mumba?
 
moses said:
Can't say I'm familiar , am tempted to go to youtube, can't believe I'm in a Take That thread at all to be honest.
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I'm not sure any of us can Moses, I mean I quite like them, but not enough to be passionately defending them like this!

If it helps, my dad broke Jason Orange's nose
 
moses said:
Barlow's talent is no better than hundreds, maybe thousands of people in Ireland alone.
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Opinion

The ability to sing and write a song has very little to do with their success, it's manufactured.
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Completely untrue...Thousands of boy bands fail with similar marketing & PR behind them. Their success ultimately rests on the songs.., I must say moses, I never took you for a music snob
 
Brad said:
Sorry mate, not buying it

"It's all about the songs", that's my motto

The difference between Barlow, Take That and the rest... Take That have them by the bucket load

You might not rate that as 'having more ability', but I do

And going back to the opening post. An Oasis fan and music journalist saying it's the best gig he's seen. You can't manufacture that, you either have it or you don't

Not giving these lads due credit Moses :nono:
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Fair enough, what songs are you talking about?

Is it not just some pop zeitgeist that makes them sound good, because the production is up to the minute and they look great in their videos - and subsequently looks like cocks much sooner than they should because it dates so quickly? It's disposable and immediate but really quite empty.
 
MockneyRevil said:
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Completely untrue...Thousands of boy bands fail with similar marketing & Page Ranking behind them. Their success ultimately rests on the songs.., I must say moses, I never took you for a music snob
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I'm the worst, I have a huge collection of german prog rock on vinyl!

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what songs exactly are you and Brad going to tell me are good, all we are talking about here is the popularity of the songs in general, which brings me back to BB
 
Brad said:
I'm not sure any of us can Moses, I mean I quite like them, but not enough to be passionately defending them like this!

If it helps, my dad broke Jason Orange's nose
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He was kinda my favourite because he knew, you could tell by him.

I have to ask ....How?
 
brophs said:
Seriously?

What about Phil Collins' Greatest Hits?
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yep seriously, Bowie Eno, Lou Reed and Iggy all hung out there in the early 70's , there was some cool stuff going on, clasically trained musicians deconstructing rock /punk / funk , as only Germans can ...

Julian Cope wrote a guide to the scene called Krautrocksampler , amazing book.

Youtube

Can -vitamn c
and anything off Faust IV


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krautrock
 
moses said:
what songs exactly are you and Brad going to tell me are good, all we are talking about here is the popularity of the songs in general, which brings me back to BB
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But again, that doesnt make sense....

Essentially your saying you won't agree they're not like BB unless you personally like their songs because anything popular must be dross and only you, in your german prog rock shrined lair, can possibly gage what good music is!!

No, it doesnt work like that

Big Brother does not take any talent or Creativity to win, or to partake in

Writing a Song, and getting a string of those songs (not just one) into the charts, clearly does...

Now performing someone else's song doesn't nessesarily, which is why Boy Bands are usually derided, but since Take That DO perform songs they've written...they should be given credit for this
 
moses said:
He was kinda my favourite because he knew, you could tell by him.

I have to ask ....How?
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Karate class I believe, was an accident, I think they were just starting out at the time. Obviously famous enough that my dad knew who he was, but not famous enough that he wasn't avoiding karate classes with the general public!

As for songs, well it's personal preference aint it. With 11 UK number 1's, and a whole ream of album songs, there's plenty to choose from

I think most would cite the likes of Back for Good, Pray and Never Forget as being 'classic' Take That. All songs penned by Barlow
 
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