Synth Draft: R1- EAP/RT vs Ecstatic

With players at their career peaks, who would win?

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Edgar Allan Pillow said:
What does this achieve?

It just shows Stielike having a near impossible job.

And how deep your midfield trio has to operate to negate my team.
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The picture must be understood from a dynamic perspective.

A defensive strategy requires a collective organisation.


Edgar Allan Pillow said:
Rush looks kinda isolated and he's a poacher with limited out if the box influence.
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The opinion of Barnes

They say the best finishers are selfish and there's no doubt that Rush had a ruthless streak and could turn it on when the situation demanded, but what characterised him most was his all-round work and his selfless dedication to the team. First and foremost he was a team player, far more so than any other elite centre-forward.

In the 346 he scored for Liverpool, a decent proportion were scored with his head, but because of his height people used to assume he would score more. But Liverpool did not play to his aerial strength all that often and instead exploited his intelligent positioning, speed, power and touch.

He is a self-effacing guy from north Wales and his modesty would prevent him from putting himself forward as one of the greats, never mind the greatest. He is a normal, down-to-earth guy and that's why the prevailing Italian football culture of his spell at Juventus just wasn't for him. Being isolated in a training camp for large parts of the season would never have made a home-loving boy feel comfortable.

Let us not forget either that he joined a team in transition - Michel Platini had retired the summer he joined - and most Serie A teams were still obsessed with dull, defensive conservatism. It did not work out for him there even if I think he performed creditably, but he thrillingly proved over the next decade that his ability was not diminished by his so-called "failure".

If anything, when he came back to Liverpool he worked even harder. Look at his record at Leeds and Newcastle and you would think that it showed signs of decline, but there were mitigating circumstances. At Elland Road he played most of the time in midfield and at Newcastle he took the role of second striker, starting much deeper than of old. It was a position he perfected in his latter years at Liverpool to accommodate Robbie Fowler, and I think Robbie appreciates how much his early success was down to playing with Rushie and the work he put in to allow Fowler to flourish.
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idmanager said:
OMG, we might have our first draw. Never been more excited for a draft game. Everybody freeze :D
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There are no longer "penalties" and it isn't necessary to count my minutes to guess who has the edge!
 
Ecstatic said:
The opinion of Barnes
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Not really sure what the point here was. Never said Rush was not a team player or a lazy footballer. He was a poacher who excelled in making runs off the last defender. Has a huge workrate to hurry up defenders and ability to make timed runs to score. He's not the guy to lead the line on his own. He needs a Dalglish behind him to succeed. Gullit is good for the role here....provided he's not expected to provide width on regular basis.

Here he's facing off against Kh Forster and Bergomi, who have the ability to shut him down.


Ecstatic said:
The picture must be understood from a dynamic perspective.

A defensive strategy requires a collective organisation.
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I'm happy with a dynamic win here too! ;)
 
Ecstatic said:
There are no longer "penalties" and it isn't necessary to count my minutes to guess who has the edge!
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Don't know who has the edge here as I've haven't paid attention to pick timings or even the pick order this draft. However I prefer to settle this the old fashioned way.

@Chesterlestreet @Balu @antohan @harms Hope one of you is willing to break the deadlock either way! Shame to the loser to go out on some pick timings after such a great match.
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
Don't know who has the edge here as I've haven't paid attention to pick timings or even the pick order this draft. However I prefer to settle this the old fashioned way.

@Chesterlestreet @Balu @antohan @harms Hope one of you is willing to break the deadlock either way! Shame to the loser to go out on some pick timings after such a great match.
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Skipping mode, do you remember?

Congrats and all the best :)
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
In case of draw, whoever has lowest pick timing of the two wins.
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Rewarding being an obsessive cnut, in other words.

Well, why not, I suppose.

I like my old idea better, though: In the event of a draw, the team with the most 'tached players go through.
 
Old school playoff with mandatory involvement of the other 3 players on bench in starting lineup
 
FWIW I would have settled it on @Ecstatic fielding Peyreira and Belodideci.

Seriously, how hard is it to spell your players right?
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
Just curious, what kind of players are they? Who'd you say are closest modern counterparts for comparison sake?
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Pereyra srarted off as a #10 at Nacional, was captaining Uruguay as a #8 aged ~20 and was bought by Sao Paulo as a midfielder.

He (and his manager) soon realised he was better and more tactically adept than any Brazilian defender so after filling in a few times ended up playing in the heart of the defence.

Was the best defender in the Brazilian league for a decade or so alongside Oscar. He went on to coach and be in charge of SPs youth setup, with a few stints as caretaker manager.

Many believe he was all Brazil 82 needed to be champions, even more credit him with greatly influencing Brazil's evolution to more defensively robust sides thereafter.

It probably helped he was originally a #10. He was a superb footballer, but still capable of performing the best man-marking job on Maradona in his pomp (1986 WC 2nd round).
 
Chesterlestreet said:
Reaney, I'd say myself. He had some outstanding/extreme qualities in addition to being generally solid, reliable, well suited to the system...and so forth, which is what the top RBs in the top flight have generally been, really, including Nev himself if we're being 100% honest.

Nicol, Dixon et al - much of a muchness. Excellent fits for excellent teams but hardly worthy of song as individual players in an all-time context.
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Good shout on Reaney, and I agree on the rest.

BeforeKeanetherewasRobson said:
Asked and answered. Apart from those two (main/key) comments, 100% accurate.

(TBC, no issues with Viv, rate him (as said in other places), just he is what he is.... a v gd RB)
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:lol: Well my point was that he's seen as one of England's best ever right backs. Bear in mind Pete was a Neville hater who was posting in a forum where multiple posters have claimed that Neville was better than Zanetti, so the hyperbole becomes more understandable...
 
Pat_Mustard said:
Good shout on Reaney, and I agree on the rest.

:lol: Well my point was that he's seen as one of England's best ever right backs. Bear in mind Pete was a Neville hater who was posting in a forum where multiple posters have claimed that Neville was better than Zanetti, so the hyperbole becomes more understandable...
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Absolutely agree he was one of the best right backs, no issue.... remember being made up when we got him even though would've been nicer years earlier (think he was a United fan himself?)

That guy was obviously a huge Viv fan..... with a slightly rose tinted view (we've all got that on certain players?). Don't know why he'd have a downer on Red Nev.... a very good RB too and if someone said I'd have a Draft team with one of those two, I'd be happy either way.

Neither of them are as good a fullback as Irwin though.... :cool:
 
BeforeKeanetherewasRobson said:
Absolutely agree he was one of the best right backs, no issue.... remember being made up when we got him even though would've been nicer years earlier (think he was a United fan himself?)

That guy was obviously a huge Viv fan..... with a slightly rose tinted view (we've all got that on certain players?). Don't know why he'd have a downer on Red Nev.... a very good RB too and if someone said I'd have a Draft team with one of those two, I'd be happy either way.

Neither of them are as good a fullback as Irwin though.... :cool:
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I'd probably hate Neville if I was an Arsenal supporter in fairness :lol:. Irwin was a cut above indeed. If I ever find myself composing a Premier League era XI or Fergie era Utd XI or any such hypothetical XI, I invariably stretch the rules and fire Denis in at RB.
 
Pat_Mustard said:
I'd probably hate Neville if I was an Arsenal supporter in fairness :lol:. Irwin was a cut above indeed. If I ever find myself composing a Premier League era XI or Fergie era Utd XI or any such hypothetical XI, I invariably stretch the rules and fire Denis in at RB.
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Ahhhh, an Arsenal fan.

That says it all. :rolleyes: (though wonder he didn't consider someone like Lauren)
 
He was an oddball.

Storey, I mean.

Still, he was sound enough in many ways and he usually wasn't miles off in his assessments of English/British players. Very uncompromising, though, like his namesake.
 
Ah, Storey - we hardly knew him.

But he gave us that alternative table thing.

And some genuinely good wumming - different class to the crass rubbish we see these days.
 
He had a fine eye for a player and helpfully injected a dose of reality every now and then.
 
BeforeKeanetherewasRobson said:
Ahhhh, an Arsenal fan.

That says it all. :rolleyes: (though wonder he didn't consider someone like Lauren)
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It seems he was aptly named based on the wummery comments here :lol:
The original Peter Storey was quite the character:

For those not familiar with the playing style of Peter Storey, a midfield fixture in the Arsenal side who won the Double in 1970-71, the best way to conjure him up is to picture the toughest, most uncompromising hatchet man of the present day; and then imagine him being decisively duffed-up by a relatively slight but undeniably ferocious figure in a stylish round-neck red-and-white shirt. Storey was one of those players: the Choppers and Nobbys and Bites Yer Legs who provided a convenient polarity with the headline gadfly act of their counterpart "mavericks", a double act that at times gives the impression that 1970s football was simply a combination of violence and dribbling.

Storey, as True Storey's subtitle, My life and crimes as a football hatchet man,suggests, is an interesting character in other ways. His life outside football involved divorce and roguery, a spell as landlord of a villainous London pub and a much-publicised arrest for smuggling pornography. Given that the challenge of every football autobiography is to make a play for an audience beyond club loyalties and special-interest fandom, these are promising materials.
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https://www.theguardian.com/football/2010/nov/28/true-storey-peter-storey-review
 
Moby said:
It kinda feels like a memorial service in here.
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:lol:

To Pete

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antohan said:
:lol:

Storey was a good poster though and his player assessments had substance as well as being quite fair.
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Aye, he was a fine poster. I think it's the way he could seamlessly shift between sound opinions and wumming that made him such a master of the WUM trade.

EDIT: Although I'm now wondering how long he actually clung to the Arsenal 5 Year Plan delusion for, if he ever really believed it.
 
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