there is too much weight of expectation placed on players from the media, proclaiming things are easy, building the players up too much, bleating on about 1966 (get over it!), then the pressure that if they fail it'll all come crashing down on them again.
Supporting England
- Thread starter noodlehair
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Mockers you're a Top Englander 
I'm not, I'm just a fan who finds the stick England fans get from a distance ridiculous...If anyone was at the game they'd see how generally jovial the atmosphere was, even after the booing, with everyone coming out of the stands making jokes about it all and being philosophical about it and bantering with the Algerians....but no, lets decide they're mongish thugs who all left the stadium furiously chewing their faces of and cursing Rooney... or something like that because that suits the assumptions I had of them 10 or so years ago and I'm a bit annoyed with them now for whatever reason
If United fans were getting as much stick I'd stick up for them just as much...as it is United fans don't have half as bad a rep as England fans, despite having just the same amount of Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime and cnuts and booers and prats....Half of whom seem to be on this board.
If United fans were getting as much stick I'd stick up for them just as much...as it is United fans don't have half as bad a rep as England fans, despite having just the same amount of Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime and cnuts and booers and prats....Half of whom seem to be on this board.
Calm down MockersIf people are out there having a good time then fair dos to them. The ones who aren't are punishing themselves anyway. I'm not basing anything on "old assumptions" though, which I thought would be pretty clear from the point of the thread, and it's NOT just the media. The media just seem to reflect it all, if anything.
Not sure what United fans or Old Trafford has to do with anything either.
Well put.
It's incrediby annoying noods...and completely wrong. I assume you don't think United fans dont' deserve anything because of the Burnley debacle? Or booing Ronaldo? Or singing anti-berba songs? No..because you don't generalise United's support...but you do with England, and then use it as a whipping stick...which is nonsense. The fans have been brilliant out here all week, and at both games, and if the atmosphere didn't come across over the vuvuselas that's unfortunate for you..but the fans have been the best thing about it so far..
So for you say you feel sorry for the Rooneys of this world for venting their frustrations, but the fans are bunch of undeserving selfish cnuts for venting theirs is complete nonsense.
I get wound up by it noods, cos you spout it like it's gospel and you're privy to some truth, when it's complete, uninformed, bandwagon jumping nonsense.
So for you say you feel sorry for the Rooneys of this world for venting their frustrations, but the fans are bunch of undeserving selfish cnuts for venting theirs is complete nonsense.
I get wound up by it noods, cos you spout it like it's gospel and you're privy to some truth, when it's complete, uninformed, bandwagon jumping nonsense.
Are you drunk, Mockney?
Oh look, Spoony's gonna join in. There isn't going to a point in Spoony's post, he'll just try and insinuate I'm being mental or something rather than justify his similar feelings on the England fans he doesn't know....But he was poster of the year in 2008, so he should be taken seriously, just as noodle should.
No, I'm not drunk, but I'm going to have one now...in the sun, with some England fans. Right cnuts they are too
No, I'm not drunk, but I'm going to have one now...in the sun, with some England fans. Right cnuts they are too
I guess his point was all fans are the same, which they are in my experience. And not just in football, across all sports.
There is no difference between your average England fan and your average Utd one. Or Luton one. Or All Black one..etc
To be fair, you disappeared up your own arse ages ago if we're being honest.
And yes, you're always drunk. . .if the podcasts are something to go by.
Top White.
Keep in mind, it could always be worse. Instead of listening to people talk about how Michael Carrick should get picked and England should win the World Cup, you could be listening to people talking about how Andy Reid should get picked and Ireland should be at the World Cup.
What like human? Liverpool fans come across as total nutjobs and conspiracy theorists. Not all fans are the same, I think United fans are probably more spoilt than most. So, success/failure probably does shape the mindset of your average fan. And how about Millwall fans? I've always thought Leeds fans were total cnuts too(yes, based a few experiences!). But you'll say we're tarring everyone with the same brush, despite coming to conclusions thanks to our experiences.
I know England's overhype, overrated, etc.
My head knows it's going to be same old same old, but somehow heart thinking that his might be their year, it's always like that year in year out, i feel exactly like the scouse.
Because I support Manchester United, and follows the EPL, supporting England meaning at least supporting teams with individuals I'm familiar with.
There's no point supporting Paraguay for example when I hardly know who their main man is.
So, it's only logical that people from non wc nations supports teams like Italy, German, England, Spain, where they have watch their league playing in daily bases and have grown some attachment to the players.
I have soft spot for Australia because I lived there for quite sometimes, but that is as far as it goes as years on I hardly know who's playing over there.
There's no point supporting teams you're not familiar with right?
My head knows it's going to be same old same old, but somehow heart thinking that his might be their year, it's always like that year in year out, i feel exactly like the scouse.
Because I support Manchester United, and follows the EPL, supporting England meaning at least supporting teams with individuals I'm familiar with.
There's no point supporting Paraguay for example when I hardly know who their main man is.
So, it's only logical that people from non wc nations supports teams like Italy, German, England, Spain, where they have watch their league playing in daily bases and have grown some attachment to the players.
I have soft spot for Australia because I lived there for quite sometimes, but that is as far as it goes as years on I hardly know who's playing over there.
There's no point supporting teams you're not familiar with right?
You can think of me what you like Spoons, I'm only doing what ralphie or impy or heapy or boothy - or anyone else who gets the Top Red label attached to them - would do if people were slamming United fans as idiots, or people who don't deserve it, or whatever, from miles away over media coverage. I feel partially insulted by all this, because by "england fans" you're including me, whether you mean to or not.
And when confronted with such hilarious hypocrisy as a man who says he didn't really support England, but decided they had a chance to win it, so got fully behind the team for 2 games, then decided he didn't actually like them, and now actively wants them to lose, saying the fans out here actually supporting "don't deserve it" and are sit fans is ever so slightly annoying to me. Internet, Serious business.
Carry on. Come on England!!
I thought you meant me.
But the point stands, you're a cock.
But the point stands, you're a cock.
I am an aussie lad...7 years in oh so exciting, yet the perks of it being the porn capitol of Australia....yeah you guessed it
Canberra....
Screw Holden, Go the Fords. Wanna play 2-up?
Johnny gave the speech when I got my citizenship on Australia day.
I happen to be one of the lads who doesn't like Fozzie...but I love football...and love SBS...oh the joys of subtitled p0rn, classified as 'foreign movies'
hehe.
Why are we resorting to insults, are we 10? And by we I mean Spoony.
Well possibly.
Come on guys can't you see why Mockney may get pissed off seeing England fans (oh which he is part of) being slated everytime he comes on the caf, I have been heard slagging england support at various points in my life and do at times fine that the support (at least what i see at home) can piss me off no end, but i also see some great fans who have a great time and support thier country in good fashion.
We all know full well that when united fans are slagged we all get up in arms about it, as we are part of them. Thats only what mockney is in SA so i for one completely understand why he would get sick of seeing fans slated that he at first hand has seen be fantastic.
We all know full well that when united fans are slagged we all get up in arms about it, as we are part of them. Thats only what mockney is in SA so i for one completely understand why he would get sick of seeing fans slated that he at first hand has seen be fantastic.
But how can England fans be judged as worse than they used to be?
Think about that for a second or two.
A bit of booing isn't really anything compared to what used to happen is it?
Think about that for a second or two.
A bit of booing isn't really anything compared to what used to happen is it?
Can't we all just get along?
A long what?
Island ice tea.
No, it's based on what I've had to hear and read over the last few days, from fans and the media alike, and furthermore, based on all of my past experience with regards to England fans.
For example. When there's a Premiership game on, I can go and watch it down the pub, and have some banter with whoever else is there. When there's an England game on, I can't watch it down the pub. Well, I can, but I don't, because it's full of "Ing-er-lund" gimps spouting unfunny, hateful, and often racist shite, about either England or whoever we're playing. This isn't something I've made up, it's what actually happens.
Last time I went to an England game, I saw about 100 England "fans" picking on a family of terrified looking Germans as they tried to hurry away. I've seen twats at Old Trafford, Stamford Bridge, Watford, etc., but not on that kind of scale.
Then you have the media who in the space of two days have turned our manager and best player into the enemies of England. Again, I haven't made this up. Just read some of the articles on here.
If you don't agree then fair enough, but this is my personal experience of the English media, and England fans, and as I said, they get the team they deserve. The only set of fans I find them comparable to is West Ham.
FOr some reason you've taken what I said and sensationalised it into something else. As if I made the thread as a personal insult against you. I'm just talking about my experience of supporting England. I never even said anyone had to agree with me. A point I made clear with the very first sentence in this fecking thread, you big girl.
Biggest set of fans in the country have biggest amount of Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime shocker.
I haven't twisted anything, you have a very warped sense of what you're saying. At no point in your bizarre opening post (in which you said you didn't really support England, but decided they had a chance to win it, so got fully behind the team for 2 games, then decided you didn't actually like them, and now actively want them to lose, because the fans out here actually supporting "don't deserve it" and are shit fans) did you imply that "some England fans you've met" are shit and don't deserve it...and at no point in your latest defense have you attempted to correct that...stating again that this "set of fans" get what they deserve....before comparing them as a collective to West Ham
Maybe you should go a little further from your local pub before judging genuine fans, supporting to the hilt and being genuinely passionate (who comprise the overwhelming majority of England fans) before you flirt with supporting/not supporting a team, and then calling their fans cnuts for apparently doing precisely the same thing.
Wasn't there a thread a while ago where a Stoke fan claimed he saw a group of United fans picking on a father and son outside OT on the last day?...Shit fans we have, we deserved to lose the league IMO then....This is essentially what you're saying.
And it is an insult against me...and moreover all of the thousands of brilliant fans I've met and seen out here who've dressed up, brought their families, bantered with the locals and sung their hearts out...but you met some fans at an England match ages ago, and go to pubs...oh sorry, I stand corrected. England fans are knobs.
Maybe you should be a bit of a better "fan" yourself before opening yet another Anti-England thread an whinging on about how rubbish it is. Or don't support England, that's fine with me...but why you feel the need to rationalise why you do with completely hypocritical generalisations and then tell the world at large we're knobs I've no idea....and I'll gladly bring you up on it.
Carry on. Come on England!!
I haven't twisted anything, you have a very warped sense of what you're saying. At no point in your bizarre opening post (in which you said you didn't really support England, but decided they had a chance to win it, so got fully behind the team for 2 games, then decided you didn't actually like them, and now actively want them to lose, because the fans out here actually supporting "don't deserve it" and are shit fans) did you imply that "some England fans you've met" are shit and don't deserve it...and at no point in your latest defense have you attempted to correct that...stating again that this "set of fans" get what they deserve....before comparing them as a collective to West Ham
Maybe you should go a little further from your local pub before judging genuine fans, supporting to the hilt and being genuinely passionate (who comprise the overwhelming majority of England fans) before you flirt with supporting/not supporting a team, and then calling their fans cnuts for apparently doing precisely the same thing.
Wasn't there a thread a while ago where a Stoke fan claimed he saw a group of United fans picking on a father and son outside OT on the last day?...Shit fans we have, we deserved to lose the league IMO then....This is essentially what you're saying.
And it is an insult against me...and moreover all of the thousands of brilliant fans I've met and seen out here who've dressed up, brought their families, bantered with the locals and sung their hearts out...but you met some fans at an England match ages ago, and go to pubs...oh sorry, I stand corrected. England fans are knobs.
Maybe you should be a bit of a better "fan" yourself before opening yet another Anti-England thread an whinging on about how rubbish it is. Or don't support England, that's fine with me...but why you feel the need to rationalise why you do with completely hypocritical generalisations and then tell the world at large we're knobs I've no idea....and I'll gladly bring you up on it.
Carry on. Come on England!!
This is how I've felt since I was 14. I no longer care for England, how far they progress, or the way in which they go out. I used to enjoy their loses, because the reaction is always the same, and if they win, it's even fecking worse.
But now I just tend to ignore them, I watch a match for our players and then I turn it off and don't think about it. I hate being drawn into the support your country bullshit and the attitude towards the national team.
I'm sick of being berated by people who know absolutely feck all about football, not even the smallest bit of knowledge in regards to our domestic league, but when England play they are suddenly master pundits and I'm the dirty traitor who doesn't respect the game.
Well, at least we can say the players don't deserve it....
And yes, WP is right, England is one, super-sized, nationalized version of Newcastle.
A lot of 'club over country' people seem to be a bunch of gloryhunters. Reckon they'd be supporting England if Utd started being shit or England started playing good football.
No, I don't think so.
I think you're entitled to your opinion and those who challenge it are a little stoopid.
What I don't get about your brigade is how vocal you are about it. Every chance you get in most threads about England, you seem to be there telling how little you care about England because of their 'stupid fans...stupid media' etc.
As I said earlier I definitely understand the ambivalence, but I don't really understand the need to constantly bleat about it.
When I say 'you' I obviously don't mean just you personally, more your ilk.
Well right now that's something we can all agree on.
If people think England have 'stupid fans and stupid media' well, you can still support your national team without being a 'stupid fan' etc or getting caught up in the media. I just don't think it's a good enough excuse to not get behind your country.
Yeah. I'm not an England fan - and don't quite understand why anyone supports a national team - but I'm enjoying the World Cup so far and am not particularly vocal in criticising people's support. Except Mockney and his 'stevie g' ways.
That's something else I don't get.
Every club as a portion of abusive fans, fans the boo, fans that get on a players back, so at what point do the likes of noodlehair say to themselves 'that's it, I no longer will support Utd because of our fans' like they do England.
They, like everyone, can support whoever they like of course, I just find - among other things - the reasoning fairly odd.
Well said